Saltmix Parameters bring on the test results - Page 10

CoralNerd · 05/17/2017, 12:34 PM

Any chance Fritz will be done soon?

jason2459 · 05/17/2017, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoralNerd

Any chance Fritz will be done soon?

lol

The request has been noted.

jason2459 · 05/19/2017, 12:48 AM

Almost done. Very late night last night too. I forgot how tedious this is but I should be able to get everything sent out, well, I guess today.

Spectre66 · 05/23/2017, 10:32 AM

I too am very interested in the Fritz RPM salt analysis. A local shop here in Houston has it for ~$50, 205g@30ppt box.

I just sent a Triton sample off for HW Reefer, before I found this thread. Unfortunately I sent it off 2 weeks after I mixed the batch(was in a drum circulating in case something happened while I was gone on a business trip). only Potassium was low @ 200, was surprised a reading of 0 for Si. I'll try to post the results here later tonight when I'm at home.

Thanks,

Leo

CoralNerd · 05/23/2017, 01:46 PM

Did you send your tank water to be tested by Triton, or the Fritz saltwater you had in a barrel for two weeks? Interested.

jason2459 · 05/23/2017, 02:00 PM

No comment until I get all results back.

Spectre66 · 05/23/2017, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoralNerd

Did you send your tank water to be tested by Triton, or the Fritz saltwater you had in a barrel for two weeks? Interested.

Assuming this question was for me...

I had HW Reefer in the barrel for 2 weeks before I got it back from Triton.

I have not yet bought Fritz, I thought I understood that results from someone existed, was hoping they were going to be posted soon.

This is a truly awesome thread, thank you to all who have contributed.

Thanks,
Leo

Spectre66 · 05/23/2017, 02:27 PM

for the love of.... I meant to say:

I had HW Reefer in the barrel for 2 weeks before I collected and sent the sample to Triton.

AquamanE · 05/30/2017, 07:06 PM

Ive followed bertonis salt mix chart for years but it's now 8 years old. Is there a new chart anywhere?

jason2459 · 05/31/2017, 07:53 AM

And soon to get a couple uodates

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

Brand	Date Taken	Temp	Salinity	Calcium	Alkalinity	Magnesium
Aquaforest Reef	5/12/2016	77F	35ppt	475	8.6	1590
	8/13/2016	77F	35ppt	450	8.16	1560
	8/19/2016	Triton	34.64ppt	448	NA	1553
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	33.59ppt	437	NA	1514
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	440	8.3	1530

AVG				450.00	8.35	1549.40

Aquaforest Sea Salt	10/12/2016	Triton	33.54ppt	465	NA	1532
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	32.84ppt	437		1482
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	440	8.9	1515

AVG				447.33	8.90	1509.67

Aquaforest ProBiotic	5/14/2016	Triton	32.63ppt	387	NA	1278
	8/19/2016	Triton	33.97ppt	413	NA	1512
	8/19/2016	77F	34.9ppt	420	7.04	1485
	10/12/2016	Triton	33.53ppt	412	NA	1516
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	33.52ppt	390	NA	1446
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	420	7.3	1500

AVG				407.00	7.17	1456.17

Aquatic Gardens	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	430	8	1240

AVG				430.00	8.00	1240.00


Brightwell Neomarine	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	370	11	1140

AVG				370.00	11.00	1140.00

Coralife	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	560	9	1380
	6/13/2014	NA	1.026sg	450	9.5	1340
	9/8/2016	Triton	34.25ppt	535	NA	1449
	9/8/2016	77F	35ppt	515	8.96	1395
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	34.06ppt	540	8.7	1354
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	520	8.96	1380

AVG				520.00	9.02	1383.00

Crystal Sea Marinemix	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	340	9	1050

AVG				340.00	9.00	1050.00

D-D H2Ocean	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	450	10	1380

AVG				450.00	10.00	1380.00

E.S.V.	1/30/2016	77F	1.026sg	450	9	1400

AVG				450.00	9.00	1400.00

Fritz Pro Reef	3/14/2016	78.9	1.026sg	440	8.5	1500
	5/5/2016	25C	35ppt	430	8.95	1410

AVG				435.00	8.73	1455.00

Instant Ocean	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	400	11	1350
	1/25/2016	77.2F	35ppt	410	10.4	1320
	8/24/2016	Triton	34.07ppt	409.4	NA	1351
	3/2/2016	77F	35ppt	405	10.9	1275
	3/3/2016	77F	35ppt	410	11.2	1275
	3/3/2016	Triton	35.67ppt	423	NA	1309
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	33.94ppt	412	10.4	1304
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	405	10.2	1320

AVG				409.30	10.68	1313.00

hw-Marine Mix Reefer	3/14/2016	78.6	1.026	440	8.6	1380
	5/8/2016	77F	1.026	430	8.6	1260
	5/9/2016	78F	1.026	420	8.9	1280

AVG				430.00	8.70	1306.67

Kent	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	540	11	1200

AVG				540.00	11.00	1200.00

Kordon Coral Sea	3/15/2016	82F	34.5ppt	360	10	1200

AVG				360.00	10.00	1200.00

Marine Environment	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	480	7.5	1450

AVG				480.00	7.50	1450.00

Oceanic	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	580	8.5	1650

AVG				580.00	8.50	1650.00

OceanPure	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	510	10	1320

AVG				510.00	10.00	1320.00

Red Sea	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	400	8	1300
	5/15/2015	~20C	35ppt	434	8.8	1280
	11/7/2015	~20C	35ppt	446	8	1288

AVG				426.67	8.27	1289.33

Red Sea Coral Pro	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	470	12.5	1400
	5/9/2016	78F	1.026sg	480	12.32	1470
	8/19/2016	Triton	33.08ppt	441	NA	1436
	8/19/2016	77F	35ppt	460	12.16	1440
sleepdoc's	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	450	8.9	1350
sleepdoc's	10/12/2016	AquaForest	33.55ppt	440	9.3	1340
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	440	11.84	1410
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	34.6ppt	434	9.5	1363

AVG				451.88	10.93	1401.13

Reef Crystals	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	490	13	1440
	1/30/2016	78F	35ppt	440	15	1240
	2/25/2016		1.027sg	450	10.3	1350
	3/14/2016	77F	35ppt	550	11.8	1560
	3/15/2016	77F	35ppt	530	12.2	1530
	3/22/2016	Triton	34.99ppt	574.6	NA	1510
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	35.25ppt	517	10.7	1378
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	510	11.68	1485

AVG				507.70	12.10	1436.63

Reefer's Best	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	420	11	1200

AVG				420.00	11.00	1200.00

SeaChem aquavitro salinity	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	422	9.8	1336
	5/29/2015		1.026sg	430	9.2	1225
	1/31/2016		35ppt	435	8.3	1310
	5/10/2016	77F	35ppt	425	8.6	1335
	5/20/2016	Triton	37.18ppt	466	NA	1234
	9/20/2016	Triton	33.05ppt	395	NA	1350
	9/20/2016	AquaForest	35.06ppt	410	NA	1336
	9/20/2016	77F	35ppt	420	8.96	1335

AVG				425.38	8.97	1307.63

SeaChem Marine Salt	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	500	10	1400

AVG				500.00	10.00	1400.00

SeaChem Reef Salt	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	540	10	1450
	5/9/2016	78F	1.026sg	527	10.47	1200
	10/12/2016	Triton	35.39ppt	528	NA	1520
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	33.91ppt	504	NA	1409
	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	520	8.3	1515

AVG				523.80	9.59	1418.80

Triton's Pure Salt	10/12/2016	77F	35ppt	705	0.96	1620
	10/12/2016	Triton	35.06ppt	728	NA	1663
	10/12/2016	AquaForest	34.45ppt	691	1.7	1549

AVG				708.00	1.33	1610.67

Tropic Marin Pro Reef	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	450	8.5	1380
	3/22/2016	77F	35ppt	445	7	1350
	4/9/2016	77F	35ppt	465	7.3	1425
	4/9/2016	Triton	34.74ppt	475.3	NA	1442
	5/9/2016	78F	1.026sg	470	6.6	1350
	5/16/2016	Triton	35.41ppt	460.6	NA	1381

AVG				460.98	7.35	1388.00

Tunze Reef Salt	9/30/2009	77F	35ppt	420	9.5	1350

AVG				420.00	9.50	1350.00

biecacka · 06/29/2017, 07:44 PM

I find it very interesting how similar a lot of numbers are. A good friend of mine recently switched from IO because he said it was way too inconsistent. Left film in his container etc. got sold on a different salt that is 20$ more a box and he says it tests more consistent, mixes easier, no film, etc.
I wonder if some of it is just hearsay around the LFS that convinced him to switch because plenty of people have great success with IO and your results show it's competitive in areas it needs to be.

Corey

jason2459 · 06/29/2017, 09:00 PM

I personally have never experienced inconsistencies with IO outside of normal expected parameter ranges for it. I've used it 99% of the time since 2007. There is really only one manufacturer so far that seems to ve inconsistent in the samples I've sent in which has been Aquaforest. But its not a good sample size to totally discredit a company. Vut it does make me hesitant to recommend that salt.

I have heard if a batch here or there being off for it's normal range but Ive also seen the same with many other major brands. IO is also one company I know of people contacting them and sending in samples of their salt. Some have ended up being truly off and a replacement batch sent and others ended up being user error.

jason2459 · 06/29/2017, 09:03 PM

I need to get this updated. Been very swamped with work.

nogascans · 08/04/2017, 03:26 PM

Changed to Fritz and never looked back!

Sincerely,

David

jason2459 · 08/04/2017, 07:13 PM

Posted this in another thread recently

But I got at a salinity of 35
CA 427
Mg 1416

I'll have to look in my notebook for the alk later.

That Ca looks to high and agree it could be a testing error or bad batch or you didn't use up the entire bag at once and it's not mixed evenly through out so you will get highs and lows of almost all the parameters at any one time.

That's one thing I did not like about the Fritz Pro RPM is when I buy a box of salt I would much prefer to get 4 bags instead of it all in one large bag. IF I wanted a large vat of salt I would prefer it to be in a bucket and not in a huge bag in a box.

JimON · 08/14/2017, 08:58 AM

Awesome thread. Thanks for the hard work and dollars spent for the benefit of all!

hedgedrew · 08/14/2017, 03:55 PM

Does anyone have a triton test of freshly made fritz salt ?? I sent one but somehow they loose samples

jason2459 · 08/14/2017, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hedgedrew

Does anyone have a triton test of freshly made fritz salt ?? I sent one but somehow they loose samples

Fritz

yellojello · 08/15/2017, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

Fritz

Jason, did you test Alk before sending it in? Quite a big drop in Alk when they tested it.

jason2459 · 08/15/2017, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellojello

Jason, did you test Alk before sending it in? Quite a big drop in Alk when they tested it.

I would not trust that alk number. I have it in?a notebook. I think it was around 7dkh. I'll look it up.

hedgedrew · 08/15/2017, 03:57 PM

Thx Jason

hedgedrew · 08/15/2017, 03:59 PM

What's story with that low sulfate ? This feels like aquaforest

jason2459 · 08/15/2017, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hedgedrew

What's story with that low sulfate ? This feels like aquaforest

Good question. I wouldn't use AF either because of that alone. S being a major element of saltwater I would assume it has some importance but I could be wrong

netsequent · 08/18/2017, 12:51 PM

These tests seem to lack any accounting for oxygen? There are relationships between dissolved oxygen and Ph. Shouldn't DO be held constant across these tests?

jason2459 · 08/18/2017, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netsequent

These tests seem to lack any accounting for oxygen? There are relationships between dissolved oxygen and Ph. Shouldn't DO be held constant across these tests?

I don't believe pH is a useful parameter for a saltmix. CO2 levels of individual houses will be a driving factor.

05/19/2017, 12:48 AM	#228
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Almost done. Very late night last night too. I forgot how tedious this is but I should be able to get everything sent out, well, I guess today. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/23/2017, 02:00 PM	#231
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	No comment until I get all results back. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/30/2017, 07:06 PM	#234
AquamanE Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 6,544	Ive followed bertonis salt mix chart for years but it's now 8 years old. Is there a new chart anywhere? __________________ Eddie Soler FMAS BOD Member MACNA 2013 Chairman "I'd rather die living than live to die" Current Tank Info: 200G mixed reef with 60G sump, Radion LED’s , Bubble King skimmer, blah blah blah.

06/29/2017, 09:00 PM	#237
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I personally have never experienced inconsistencies with IO outside of normal expected parameter ranges for it. I've used it 99% of the time since 2007. There is really only one manufacturer so far that seems to ve inconsistent in the samples I've sent in which has been Aquaforest. But its not a good sample size to totally discredit a company. Vut it does make me hesitant to recommend that salt. I have heard if a batch here or there being off for it's normal range but Ive also seen the same with many other major brands. IO is also one company I know of people contacting them and sending in samples of their salt. Some have ended up being truly off and a replacement batch sent and others ended up being user error. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

06/29/2017, 09:03 PM	#238
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I need to get this updated. Been very swamped with work. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/17/2017, 12:34 PM	#226
CoralNerd Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: 92833 Posts: 1,099	Any chance Fritz will be done soon?

05/23/2017, 10:32 AM	#229
Spectre66 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 8	I too am very interested in the Fritz RPM salt analysis. A local shop here in Houston has it for ~$50, 205g@30ppt box. I just sent a Triton sample off for HW Reefer, before I found this thread. Unfortunately I sent it off 2 weeks after I mixed the batch(was in a drum circulating in case something happened while I was gone on a business trip). only Potassium was low @ 200, was surprised a reading of 0 for Si. I'll try to post the results here later tonight when I'm at home. Thanks, Leo

05/23/2017, 01:46 PM	#230
CoralNerd Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: 92833 Posts: 1,099	Did you send your tank water to be tested by Triton, or the Fritz saltwater you had in a barrel for two weeks? Interested.

05/23/2017, 02:27 PM	#233
Spectre66 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 8	for the love of.... I meant to say: I had HW Reefer in the barrel for 2 weeks before I collected and sent the sample to Triton.

06/29/2017, 07:44 PM	#236
biecacka Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 6,361	I find it very interesting how similar a lot of numbers are. A good friend of mine recently switched from IO because he said it was way too inconsistent. Left film in his container etc. got sold on a different salt that is 20$ more a box and he says it tests more consistent, mixes easier, no film, etc. I wonder if some of it is just hearsay around the LFS that convinced him to switch because plenty of people have great success with IO and your results show it's competitive in areas it needs to be. Corey

08/04/2017, 03:26 PM	#239
nogascans Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Jesup, Georgia (USA) Posts: 387	Changed to Fritz and never looked back! Sincerely, David

08/04/2017, 07:13 PM	#240
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Posted this in another thread recently But I got at a salinity of 35 CA 427 Mg 1416 I'll have to look in my notebook for the alk later. That Ca looks to high and agree it could be a testing error or bad batch or you didn't use up the entire bag at once and it's not mixed evenly through out so you will get highs and lows of almost all the parameters at any one time. That's one thing I did not like about the Fritz Pro RPM is when I buy a box of salt I would much prefer to get 4 bags instead of it all in one large bag. IF I wanted a large vat of salt I would prefer it to be in a bucket and not in a huge bag in a box. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

08/14/2017, 08:58 AM	#241
JimON Registered Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 221	Awesome thread. Thanks for the hard work and dollars spent for the benefit of all! __________________ Jim Current Tank Info: 90- Photon V2, Lifereef sump, fuge, and skimmer.

08/14/2017, 03:55 PM	#242
hedgedrew Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,159	Does anyone have a triton test of freshly made fritz salt ?? I sent one but somehow they loose samples

08/15/2017, 03:57 PM	#246
hedgedrew Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,159	Thx Jason

08/15/2017, 03:59 PM	#247
hedgedrew Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,159	What's story with that low sulfate ? This feels like aquaforest

08/18/2017, 12:51 PM	#249
netsequent Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 28	These tests seem to lack any accounting for oxygen? There are relationships between dissolved oxygen and Ph. Shouldn't DO be held constant across these tests?