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biecacka 03/16/2011 05:34 PM

where are you guys buying this product from?
im dosing vinegar now, would i stop the vinegar dosing too???
corey

niqiri 03/16/2011 06:02 PM

Highland Reefer- My tank is covered in HA. All of the rocks and sand have at the very least 1 inch strands of HA. I have been dosing 10 mL of vodka daily for a while now, however I feel that since I don't feed much (avoid adding phosphate) the nitrogen source for the bacteria is severely limited. I have my protein skimmer running 24/7. Have tried dosing LOTS of lanthanum chloride (over a long period of time, of course). Even when dosing AF, I didn't really notice a lessening of the algae, which is why I'm hesitant to say that my corals look bad from chemicals released by the algae. What is the easiest way to remove the algae from the rock? I tried soaking my mag float in water and the algae didn't even come off. I was thinking an acid bath since that will remove the bound-up phosphates. On a side note, if it's at all helpful, my lobos look worse, SPS polyp extension is bad, and xenia and GSP are closed all the time. However, frogspawn and hammer look great. I have shortened my photoperiod to help fight the algae. Could this cause my corals to look bad? How do I know if they are not getting enough light?

HighlandReefer 03/17/2011 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biecacka (Post 18500609)
where are you guys buying this product from?
im dosing vinegar now, would i stop the vinegar dosing too???
corey

I dont' believe the vinegar will cause problems.

HighlandReefer 03/17/2011 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niqiri (Post 18500759)
Highland Reefer- My tank is covered in HA. All of the rocks and sand have at the very least 1 inch strands of HA. I have been dosing 10 mL of vodka daily for a while now, however I feel that since I don't feed much (avoid adding phosphate) the nitrogen source for the bacteria is severely limited. I have my protein skimmer running 24/7. Have tried dosing LOTS of lanthanum chloride (over a long period of time, of course). Even when dosing AF, I didn't really notice a lessening of the algae, which is why I'm hesitant to say that my corals look bad from chemicals released by the algae. What is the easiest way to remove the algae from the rock? I tried soaking my mag float in water and the algae didn't even come off. I was thinking an acid bath since that will remove the bound-up phosphates. On a side note, if it's at all helpful, my lobos look worse, SPS polyp extension is bad, and xenia and GSP are closed all the time. However, frogspawn and hammer look great. I have shortened my photoperiod to help fight the algae. Could this cause my corals to look bad? How do I know if they are not getting enough light?

You have so many things going on, I'm not sure what is causing problems for your coral. I would recommend that you remove as much algae as possible if you do decide to chance using AF again.

milkman55 03/27/2011 09:41 PM

Another satisfied customer. I had a serious outbreak of HA that I originally thought was dinos. Tried all the usual solutions with several 3 day lights out, increase pH, etc. I started AF Marine about two months ago dosing 20 ml in my 200 gal system every three days. It took a full two weeks before I saw progress, but now I am almost algae free. Looking better every week. I just ordered two more bottles for maintenance dosing. I have not noticed any negative effect on fish or corals.

HighlandReefer 03/28/2011 04:46 AM

:thumbsup:

Steve Wright2 03/28/2011 05:33 AM

Not sure if you are still wanting people to post their experiences with this product?

but just in case

I started with my 1st dose of 8 mils API Algaefix marine Sunday , next dose Wednesday

situation

tank contains 80 US gallons of saltwater and is SPS dominant reef, sumpless - HOB Octopus skmmer, running Purigen and GFO

been carbon dosing, initially with Bio fuel for a couple of months
then moved gradually over to Vodka
currently dosing at 2 mils of Vodka per day - N and P undetectable on Salifert test kits

no GHA and no Cyno

I have introduced Algae fix into my system in the hope of dealing with 2 aesthetic issues

and I have no idea on the latin name of these 2 species of nuisance algae

1 - Dark green/ black turf type algae - sally lightfoot crabs of which I have 2 , will eat it, but they cant clean it down to bare rock

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4297.jpg

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4308.jpg

2 - red hair or beard type algae - both hermits and Saly lightfoots will browse on it but its been 8 months and its still there

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4304.jpg

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4305.jpg


the carbon dosing - mostly down to the Vodka seems to have stopped it, in its tracks as far as progressing , but as yet has not caused it to regress

it is my intention to

continue skimming
continue to run GFO
continue to dose Vodka - but not to increase the dosage of vodka during this Algaefix marine treatment

I will post images in a few weeks, if this product, does help eliminate these last 2 remaining nuisances


side on veiw of tank so that corals can be seen

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...IMG_4222-1.jpg

Steve

HighlandReefer 03/28/2011 06:43 AM

Steve,

Thanks for sharing your experience. ;)

Nice pics, which always help other hobbyists interested in trying AF. :)

kzooreefer 03/28/2011 07:26 AM

I'm on my fourth dose, day 12, and whatever was covering my glass is now gone. I thought it was diatoms but now suspect cyanobacteria. I had to clean my glass daily and it was a brown powdery organism with air bubbles. I had a problem with golden brown diatoms on the sand bed about a year ago, identified through a microscope, and just assumed this was the same thing.

Dosing has done nothing to the algae growing in my protein skimmer, some kind of filamentous algea and a diatom, Triceratium formossium, a star shaped diatom from Hawaii. Triceratium is cool looking under the microscope and is easily recognizable. I can't identify the filamentous algae but its most likely some form of hair algae. I didn't take a scraping from the glass before I started and wish I had so I could have at least tried to identify it.

Edit: I read back a few pages and the filamentous algae I had in my skimmer does look like Derbesi under the microscope. Had to hunt for a picture to compare. So that makes sense that its not effected.

Steve Wright2 03/28/2011 07:26 AM

Thank you Highland Reefer

Hopefully a positive experience and for future only coraline or corals on the rockwork

Steve

HighlandReefer 03/28/2011 10:47 AM

kzooreefer,

Derbesia is a siphoing algae with very large branching cells, unlike most hair algae which have small cells with distinct breaks between cells which are normal size. IME, algae fix did not work on Derbesia. :(

Steve Wright2 04/09/2011 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wright2 (Post 18558097)
Not sure if you are still wanting people to post their experiences with this product?

but just in case

I started with my 1st dose of 8 mils API Algaefix marine Sunday , next dose Wednesday

situation

tank contains 80 US gallons of saltwater and is SPS dominant reef, sumpless - HOB Octopus skmmer, running Purigen and GFO

been carbon dosing, initially with Bio fuel for a couple of months
then moved gradually over to Vodka
currently dosing at 2 mils of Vodka per day - N and P undetectable on Salifert test kits

no GHA and no Cyno

I have introduced Algae fix into my system in the hope of dealing with 2 aesthetic issues

and I have no idea on the latin name of these 2 species of nuisance algae

1 - Dark green/ black turf type algae - sally lightfoot crabs of which I have 2 , will eat it, but they cant clean it down to bare rock

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4297.jpg

2 - red hair or beard type algae - both hermits and Saly lightfoots will browse on it but its been 8 months and its still there
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4305.jpg


the carbon dosing - mostly down to the Vodka seems to have stopped it, in its tracks as far as progressing , but as yet has not caused it to regress

it is my intention to

continue skimming
continue to run GFO
continue to dose Vodka - but not to increase the dosage of vodka during this Algaefix marine treatment

I will post images in a few weeks, if this product, does help eliminate these last 2 remaining nuisances



Steve

Update

here are the 2 locations above, after 5 doses of 8 mils Algaefix marine

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4473.jpg

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4474.jpg


definite signs of receding, lightening of general color of both species

no negatives as yet, no unexplained snail or other invert deaths - all seem present and correct (OK Im not so sad that I count my snails regularly, but there are no additional empty shells turning up so IMO no snail or crab loses due to algaefix)

all corals also seem OK, although I have noted my LPS corals do tend to close up slightly after introduction of the algaefix, but they are back fully open later same day

HighlandReefer 04/10/2011 05:48 AM

:thumbsup:

Glad to hear the AF is working for you. Wonderful pictures. ;)

hydrahawk 04/11/2011 12:16 PM

Just started my AF today. I am going to keep my fingers crossed.

jimrawr 04/11/2011 06:31 PM

So I am trying a second bottle of this product in hopes that I had a bad batch that didnt work. Upon opening the bottle and pouring it into the cap, right away I could notice the product had a different color than my original. The new bottle had a tint of yellow and the old bottle the liquid was completely clear. Luckily I still had some from the old bottle so I poured a bit of each into two seperate shot glass, and the color difference was clear as day.

Does your liquid have a yellowish tint or is it clear like water?

HighlandReefer 04/12/2011 05:53 AM

That's interesting. My AF was clear out of the bottle.

kharmaguru 04/14/2011 09:39 AM

On my 4th dose of Algaefix. No green hazing on the glass anymore but not sure if the algae on the rocks is affected yet. It's not hair algae but a short brown "mung" that hangs on like it's deeply rooted ( my rock came from an old tank and surely has bound phosphate). Mexican turbos and cerith snails seem to eat it somewhat but are minimal in their effect. Not sure if the AF will nuke it or not. Softies like Devil's Claw close up when I treat but I realised after recalculating my volume that I was overdosing and have corrected on last treatment. Running GFO and skimming normally. Hope to see some positive results soon...

HighlandReefer 04/14/2011 09:41 AM

Keep us posted. ;)

Chyendra 04/22/2011 02:59 PM

I want to document my attempt with Marine algae fix.

I tried all of the conventional methods of beating hair algea:
Scrub, remove, Scrub, remove, scrub remove - fail
New bulb - fail
Add emerald crab - fail
Add urchins - fail
Add hermit crabs - fail
Add turbo snails - fail
Minimize feeding and maximize water changes - fail
Vodka dose to have 0 nitrates -fail
use GFO to have 0 phosphates - fail

While all of the above attemps helped reduce some types of hair algea in my tank, there seems to be a particular species that can grow in very low nutrient areas.
Here's the algea I'm dealing with.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...raAlgae1sm.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...raalgae3sm.jpg
Here's a pic at it's worst
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...29_11small.jpg
I scrubed everything like crazy after that and here's one weeks growth. This is my starting point for starting Marine algea fix
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._11_3small.jpg
Here are a couple of problem spots that I'll be watching carefully.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._11_1small.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._11_2Small.jpg

I've decided to follow the directions on the bottle for the amount to dose, but I also decided to depense the med by targeting particular patches of GHA, hopeing that a local concentration of the med will be more potent.

I have GHA in my sump/fuge as well as chaeto. I'm leaving the chaeto in to see how it fairs with the treatment. As an FYI here are some creatures in my tank who will hopefully survive the treatment. Tuxedo urchin, pin cushion urchin, peppermint shrimp, emerald crab, RBTA, & brittle star. I have a mixed reef w/ softies, LPS & SPS.

Start date 04/18/11. Wish me luck!!

HighlandReefer 04/22/2011 03:21 PM

Here's wishing you the best luck. ;)

Nice detailed description of your problem. :thumbsup:

hydrahawk 04/23/2011 05:04 PM

Chyendra, I feel for you because I went thru all the steps (except the GFO) and still got nothing. Your tank is not bad on the algae issue. In my tank some rocks and some area of the sand were covered with algae. I did have some success on using Kent Tech-M on spot treatment. I would take a 10 ml syringe with Tech-M and spot treat areas. I will do this everyday and by the 4th or 5th day, the algae will turn white and die out. I started using AF (on 4th dose) and I am really seeing the difference. The algae is really breaking down.

Chyendra 04/23/2011 05:17 PM

That's great! I'm glad AF is working for you.

Kent Tech M really works well on bryopsis and totally eliminated the pest from my tank last year when I had it.

So far the spot treatment of AF seems to be working, or.... the chemical makes the algea more palatable to my urchins... It's weird, b/c I've done two treatments so far and treated two spots of algea, and over the last few days I've watched my urchin munch down the spots when she's has never touched it in the past 4 months. I'll wait another week and then update.

larryfl1 04/24/2011 08:44 AM

i am considering using AF on my tank

I have a few questions.

tank is 350 gallon

I am currently dosing prodibio every 2 weeks..both biodigest and bioptim.

if i use AF is it fine to keep dosing?

My phosphates and nitrates are undetectable but i have some HA and cyano in the tank

what is the proper amount to dose? how many bottles should i purchase?

Steve Wright2 04/24/2011 08:54 AM

update - after 6 doses of AF Marine

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4302.jpg
before 1st dose

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4476.jpg
after 4th dose

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/IMG_4553.jpg
after 6 doses

no negatives noted at all
continued Vodka dosing 2 mils per day throughout usage
continued to run GFO for duration of treatment

Steve

HighlandReefer 04/25/2011 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larryfl1 (Post 18686948)
i am considering using AF on my tank

I have a few questions.

tank is 350 gallon

I am currently dosing prodibio every 2 weeks..both biodigest and bioptim.

if i use AF is it fine to keep dosing?

My phosphates and nitrates are undetectable but i have some HA and cyano in the tank

what is the proper amount to dose? how many bottles should i purchase?


This is the label for AlgaeFix Marine:

"Benefits: AlgaeFix marine effectively controls these types of saltwater algae: Green algae (Cladaphora), "Red Loine" (Oscillatoria/Spirulina major), "Brown algae" (Cyclotela) in marine aquarium containing live corals, invertebrates and fish. When used in salt water will not harm snails, clams,scallops, shrimp, anemones, sea cucumbers, feather dusters, coralline algae, soft corals, hard corals and other invertebrates. Does not discolor the water or cause foaming.

Directions for use: It is a violation of federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Add 1 ml (1/5 tsp. for each 10 US gallons (38 L) or 5 ml (1 tsp.) for each 50 US gallons (190 L) or 50 ml. (10 tsp.) for each 500 US gallons (1,890 L) of aquarium water. Repeat dose every 3 days until algae is controlled. Siphon or scrape any dead algae from aquarium. Once algae growth is under control, add one dose per week. Weekly doses of AlgaeFix Marine will control Alger growth and reduce aquarium maintenance.

Precautionary Statement
Hazards to humans & domestic animals.

Caution: Harmful if swallowed or absorbed through the skin. Avoid contact with skin, eyes or clothing. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling. Note: This product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer.

First Aid: If on skin, thoroughly wash with soap and water and remove contaminated clothing. If in eyes, hold eye open and gently flush with water for 15 minutes. If Swallowed, call a Poison Control Center or doctor immediately for treatment advice.

Storage and Disposal: Do not contaminate water or feed. Do not reuse empty bottle. Rinse throughly before discarding in trash."


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