how much miracle mud do i need in my refugium
 

hey wuss up everyone i cant figure out how much mud do i need in my refugium its a 175 bowfront with a 4" sand bed any help will be great i have to fill the tank tommorow and put my rock and corals in since they are picking up my 90 gall on saturday

You need none. Do a search on Miracle Mud and you will discover it is mostly quartz, which is inert, and does nothing for your tank. It does have a slight iron content which can help macro algaes or sea grasses but other than the minimal iron content, there is no reason to use the product. It has been studied and doesn't even come from the ocean, it is basically garden soil. Save your money

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I have miracle mud in my sump, and all my corals grow twice as fast and turn into gold.....it's a miracle!!!

;) jk

I do have miracle mud, but I feel it was a waste of money. I'm gunna suck out as much as I can, and just run a deep sand bed. Trust me, there is no miracle....other then the miracle that people will pay $100 for some dirt in a jar. Good luck


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And a deep sand bed won't do anything either. Save your money and sump space

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Does this mean I should stop using kitty litter???:lol2:

sounds it sounds like bare bottom is the way to go in a refugium now correct? What about having some live rock or rubble and a few critters? Any benefit to having those. Or just go with some macroalgae and nothing else?

So is all refugium mud worthless or is some brands of it okay?

Won't help or hurt.

No need for a DSB either and they seem to be phasing out in popularity. If you want to do a DSB do it remotely so when it gets loaded you can dump it out and start over.

It is very difficult to have a proper DSB survive for years on end. Often they crash the tank because the reefer unknowingly relied on it to correct their poor husbandry.

I'm just talking about an 18 inch cpr aquafuge for raising worms, micro stars, scavangers, etc, etc.

I don't use any mud an think it can be a problem,particularly under macraoalge.
A macro algae barebottom fudge is fine . A cryptic( dark) live rock fudge is fine too. Shallow sand beds are fine in display taks if you like the beachy look. The sand does give you extra surface area for bacteria to grow on but most of the denitrification in sand beds occurs in the first half inch or so. If you have enough live rock or other surface areas in the system ,bare bottom is fine too. Deep sand is useful for animals that need it, such as certain anemones, jawfish and wrasses. You can construct sand pools for these or keep a deep bed in the tank.

Ya I would throw extra live rock in the fuge, can't have too much live rock. I would stay away from rock rubble, they're more of a detritus trap then they're worth. And I guess the whole DSB and mud are the same, Trap for detritus


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Next you are going say that Santa isn't real.

***? bubble buster!

There are some rather sweeping statements above!

But I have found Caulerpa to be a fine way to export nutrient and it grows very fast when it has some sediment to work with compared to a bare bottom enviroment. That can be a silty substrate, or a shallow layer of fine sand. I found algae on top of a DSB to be a nuisance to maintain, as the algae slows the water velocity responsible for most of the waste water transport in an out of the sand bed.

how is everyone on here saying the miracle mud does not work when they have done little to no research besides on this forum NOR tried it for themselves. They are very upfront with what they say is in it and for any substrate and macro algae to work efficiently you need a big enough surface area in your sump for it vs your dt. every person that has used it on here has not said anything negative about it. those who use and are not 100% pleased with it are not following the guidelines of the product or have way to small of a Refugium surface area to even matter in the first place.