Reef Central Online Community

Reef Central Online Community (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Reef Chemistry Forum (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=112)
-   -   Stirring Top Off water (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2635658)

Jyetman 05/03/2017 07:55 PM

Stirring Top Off water
 
Is it necessary to stir 20 gallons of top off water? I've added Reef Builder (baking soda) to raise my alkalinity. Noticing the powder settled at bottom I put a power head connected to a timer in the top off bucket to run every other hour. Will this cause any issues? My dosing bucket with KALK isn't doing it anymore. After adding the reef builder in top off DKH raised from 6 to 10 and after several days PH dropped from 8.50 stabilized at 8.35 by mid day.

bnumair 05/04/2017 02:36 PM

i would run the pump for 2-4 hrs after putting chemicals in and thats about it. after its mixed dont need to have any movement in it.

jda 05/04/2017 03:59 PM

It is smart to oxygenate it and blow off the excess CO2 (which is what happened when your pH dropped a bit). I always keep it moving.

bnumair 05/04/2017 05:36 PM

If you keep water moving with a pump eventually heat from pump will cause the alk to precipitate leaving residue and dropping alk and pH levels anyways.
I wouldn't use any source that puts out heat like a pump, if u really want to keep pH up use a airstone.

jason2459 05/05/2017 10:14 AM

I would not worry about the pH of top off water. Unless you're toping off with muriatic acid.

AlSimmons 05/05/2017 10:51 AM

FWIW I used to use Reef Builder in my top off water for years and never mixed it for more than a couple hours or so. No problem.

tmz 05/06/2017 11:22 AM

I would mix it in thoroughly and leave it still or preferably dose it separate from top off , since top off involves moving water and variability in dosing rates tied to variable evaporation rates.. Continuous agitation will cause more gas exchange with the air which could easily introduce CO2

themummra 05/06/2017 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnumair (Post 25072479)
If you keep water moving with a pump eventually heat from pump will cause the alk to precipitate leaving residue and dropping alk and pH levels anyways.
I wouldn't use any source that puts out heat like a pump, if u really want to keep pH up use a airstone.

Alkalinity is not a chemical, what do you mean it precipitates?

jason2459 05/07/2017 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themummra (Post 25074827)
Alkalinity is not a chemical, what do you mean it precipitates?

I think its safe to assume he meant CaCO3. But clarification is a good thing.

I also agree with TMZ with not dosing via top off water.

tmz 05/07/2017 11:29 AM

Calcium carbonate/CaCo3 would precipitate and heat will reduce the amount of calcium and carbonate that can remain in solution. However, the OP isn't dosing any calcium/Ca to the top off reservoir.
There are solubility limits for carbonate / bicarbonate aside from precipitation. I suspect the powder at the bottom is undissolved carbonate /bicarbonate.

Alkalinity is not a single thing it is a measure of things that neutralize acid including: CO3 ,CHO3( carbonate/ bicarbonate), PO4/HPO4, borate ,oxide ,silicone,magenesium hydroxide. In seawater and aquarium salt water roughly 96.5% of the alkainity is carbonate/bicarbonate a measure of which is typically used as a measure of alkalinity.

bnumair 05/07/2017 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459 (Post 25074872)
I think its safe to assume he meant CaCO3. But clarification is a good thing.

I also agree with TMZ with not dosing via top off water.

Thank you Jason, and tmz for detailed elaboration.

tmz 05/07/2017 06:03 PM

you are welcome


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:30 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.