Used tank question....

officerbogus · 01/17/2007, 10:01 PM

I came across a great deal on a used 135gl tank 72 x 18 x 24
I bought it and noticed that it doesnt have any braces across the top, just the plastic trim around the top and bottom perimeter.
Is this OK, can I diy a brace if needed??

Also how can I tell if the glass is tempered, there is no sticker anywhere and I dont know who made the tank.

The silicone is all there and still soft, but without filling with water how can I make sure its water tight. There are a couple of spots where the thin part away from the corner is peeled a little, but the corners are thick and soft.

Thanks for taking a look.

Scuba Oz · 01/17/2007, 10:15 PM

First off, FILL the tank and see if it is okay. Most temper glass is at the bottom and unless you plan to drill should not matter one way or the other. If you want to drill buy a new tank, or contact the dealer of that tank.

Second, a top brace never hurts reguardless if the maker put one there or not, make your own if you need too, a piece of mind will go far in theis hobby!

officerbogus · 01/17/2007, 10:19 PM

Why do I have to buy a new tank to drill, and the "dealer" of the tank has no idea who made it. This is why I needed a hand..

officerbogus · 01/18/2007, 10:05 AM

Anything....

luke33 · 01/18/2007, 10:17 AM

I have an older tank i'm using right now made by odell. They are very well made tank's and don't have the center piece for extra support. If its like mine, i'm sure its 3/4" glass. I didn't drill mine because its so thick and would be uncomfortable with thinking it made the tank weaker. I have a hot overflow that does its job fine. Good luck

papagimp · 01/18/2007, 10:17 AM

He saying to buy a new tank if you have to drill, so you can get a tank without a bottom piece of tempered glass that will shatter when you try to drill it. Contacting the dealer, he means the original manufacturer of that particular tank to find out if it has this tempered glass or not. If the guy you bought it from doesn't know, then best not to try unless you can get an expert to tell you what kind of glass it is. If the tank did not have a brace originally, then the manufacturer obviously did not feel it needed one. But adding a thick piece of acrylic or glass over the top and making a DIY brace is not a bad idea either. As it was mentioned, peace of mind goes along way in the hobby. As for testing the water tightness of the tank without filling it, you really can't. Stick the tank outside, fill it up, see if it leaks or not.

rustybucket145 · 01/18/2007, 10:17 AM

There's only one way that I know of to tell if it's tempered!

Put a Bit to It!!!

Seriously though, I don't think there are many tanks that are completely tempered (I may be very wrong). I have taken the 'plung' on several that were un-identifiable. The first few seconds of the drilling are pretty stressful but after it doesn't shatter you're in the clear.

I would definately not attempt to drill the bottom unless you talk to the manufacturer but the back and sides should be fine.

officerbogus · 01/18/2007, 10:31 AM

papagimp, rusty..thanks a bunch great info.

Luke, mine is 1/2 inch thick glass. What do you mean by hot overflow. I bought an overflow with pump to remove the air. But I heard bad things about it quiting and your tank overflowing. Thats why I thought about drilling.

SaltyDr · 01/18/2007, 10:42 AM

I think he meant HOB or hang on back overflow. They either have the U tube or the pump kind (which I think are more prone to fail).

01/17/2007, 10:01 PM	#1
officerbogus Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 216	Used tank question.... I came across a great deal on a used 135gl tank 72 x 18 x 24 I bought it and noticed that it doesnt have any braces across the top, just the plastic trim around the top and bottom perimeter. Is this OK, can I diy a brace if needed?? Also how can I tell if the glass is tempered, there is no sticker anywhere and I dont know who made the tank. The silicone is all there and still soft, but without filling with water how can I make sure its water tight. There are a couple of spots where the thin part away from the corner is peeled a little, but the corners are thick and soft. Thanks for taking a look. __________________ Red Rover, Red Rover..... Let Raymond go over. Current Tank Info: 45 Gallon Starfire Cube

01/17/2007, 10:15 PM	#2
Scuba Oz Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,133	First off, FILL the tank and see if it is okay. Most temper glass is at the bottom and unless you plan to drill should not matter one way or the other. If you want to drill buy a new tank, or contact the dealer of that tank. Second, a top brace never hurts reguardless if the maker put one there or not, make your own if you need too, a piece of mind will go far in theis hobby! __________________ Never be too shy to ask for help Current Tank Info: 12g nano, 37g,175g,25g,54g

01/17/2007, 10:19 PM	#3
officerbogus Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 216	Why do I have to buy a new tank to drill, and the "dealer" of the tank has no idea who made it. This is why I needed a hand.. __________________ Red Rover, Red Rover..... Let Raymond go over. Current Tank Info: 45 Gallon Starfire Cube Last edited by officerbogus; 01/17/2007 at 10:45 PM.

01/18/2007, 10:05 AM	#4
officerbogus Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 216	Anything.... __________________ Red Rover, Red Rover..... Let Raymond go over. Current Tank Info: 45 Gallon Starfire Cube

01/18/2007, 10:17 AM	#6
papagimp COMAS Rocks! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 8,185 Blog Entries: 2	He saying to buy a new tank if you have to drill, so you can get a tank without a bottom piece of tempered glass that will shatter when you try to drill it. Contacting the dealer, he means the original manufacturer of that particular tank to find out if it has this tempered glass or not. If the guy you bought it from doesn't know, then best not to try unless you can get an expert to tell you what kind of glass it is. If the tank did not have a brace originally, then the manufacturer obviously did not feel it needed one. But adding a thick piece of acrylic or glass over the top and making a DIY brace is not a bad idea either. As it was mentioned, peace of mind goes along way in the hobby. As for testing the water tightness of the tank without filling it, you really can't. Stick the tank outside, fill it up, see if it leaks or not. __________________ 58g Softie & 75g Stoney Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011

01/18/2007, 10:17 AM	#5
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	I have an older tank i'm using right now made by odell. They are very well made tank's and don't have the center piece for extra support. If its like mine, i'm sure its 3/4" glass. I didn't drill mine because its so thick and would be uncomfortable with thinking it made the tank weaker. I have a hot overflow that does its job fine. Good luck

01/18/2007, 10:17 AM	#7
rustybucket145 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: valdosta, ga Posts: 3,707	There's only one way that I know of to tell if it's tempered! Put a Bit to It!!! Seriously though, I don't think there are many tanks that are completely tempered (I may be very wrong). I have taken the 'plung' on several that were un-identifiable. The first few seconds of the drilling are pretty stressful but after it doesn't shatter you're in the clear. I would definately not attempt to drill the bottom unless you talk to the manufacturer but the back and sides should be fine. __________________ 400gals of various tanks in the same system. Current Tank Info: 2 175w MH, 2 VH0 Actinics, Lots of Live Rock, tons of copepods, a Fat Mandarin Goby, Niger Trigger, Yellow Tang, Falco Hawkfish, Bi-Color Pseudo, numerous soft, SPS and LPS Corals

01/18/2007, 10:31 AM	#8
officerbogus Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 216	papagimp, rusty..thanks a bunch great info. Luke, mine is 1/2 inch thick glass. What do you mean by hot overflow. I bought an overflow with pump to remove the air. But I heard bad things about it quiting and your tank overflowing. Thats why I thought about drilling. __________________ Red Rover, Red Rover..... Let Raymond go over. Current Tank Info: 45 Gallon Starfire Cube

01/18/2007, 10:42 AM	#9
SaltyDr Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 1,191	I think he meant HOB or hang on back overflow. They either have the U tube or the pump kind (which I think are more prone to fail).