i want to cry :( my clownfish died .. AND I DONT KNOW WHY

oxkisses12ox · 02/25/2007, 12:37 AM

i came home just now to find my clownfish in the rocks dead.... which is strange because my two clowns NEVER go in the rocks and i came home and the male was in the front of the tank as usual and i looked around for the female and she was no where to be found..... then i saw her in the rocks dead.....

my water parameters were all 0 , and my cleaner shrimp, other clown, goby hermits and horseshoe are all living and doing great as well as my corals....

there was nothing wrong with the clownfish and no ick or any disease was present...... it did have its top fin kind of chewed off but it was from bristle worms i think because when i found her they were all on her.......

ANYYYYY IDEA OF HOW SHE DIED AT ALL???????????????

chevegan · 02/25/2007, 01:55 AM

Pistol shrimp? Mantis shrimp? disease? number of things I guess, could be anything. And just a note, 2 serpent stars for a 14 is too much IMO.

Justdrew · 02/25/2007, 03:15 AM

Also watch out for that horseshoe. They get to be over a foot in size. I remember them getting in the crab pots on bay side at Ocean City, MD when I was little. They scared the living daylights out of me. If course back then they seemed like giant monsters, but in reality he can grow to be bigger than your 14 gallon tank itself.

Later
Drew

waterfaller1 · 02/25/2007, 05:51 AM

How long did you have the fish? What is your SG. & are you using a refractometer to test? Are you using RO/DI water? Topping off daily? How is the flow, did you replace the pump with another? Generally nanos come with inadequate pumps.

dippin61 · 02/26/2007, 05:01 PM

i second the watching the horseshoe crab... it can easily get a foot long.

alan214 · 02/26/2007, 05:42 PM

I'd be much more suspicious of the Serpent Stars.

vtrider · 02/26/2007, 05:51 PM

the serpent star would have eaten it

oxkisses12ox · 02/27/2007, 02:35 PM

it wasnt eaten at all and i have had the clown for 5 months......... i use Natural sea water ........ i didnt change anything and i use a chemical test kit not the strips

ralphie16 · 02/27/2007, 03:20 PM

why does nobody ever bring up the possibility of suicide?

my freshwater betta once took a nose dive into gravel and never came back up. looks like living in a 0.1 gallon cup didnt keep him happy..who would have thought....

RumLad · 02/27/2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by ralphie16
why does nobody ever bring up the possibility of suicide?

my freshwater betta once took a nose dive into gravel and never came back up. looks like living in a 0.1 gallon cup didnt keep him happy..who would have thought....

Perhaps he couldn't stand looking at your enormous reflection, and incessant tapping, on his 0.1 gal bowl any longer and decided death was better

As for the perc's, perhaps there just was not enough room in that 14 gal bioworld for all those creatures to live stress free?

ralphie16 · 02/27/2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by RumLad
As for the perc's, perhaps there just was not enough room in that 14 gal bioworld for all those creatures to live stress free?

exactly what i was trying to get at..maybe all the parameters are fine but you dont know how much stress he could have been under.

how are you doing topoffs? do you have an ATO or do you manually fill it? maybe dumping in freshwater everyday stressed him? just a guess.its your tank so you knwo what you do. peace

oxkisses12ox · 02/27/2007, 06:22 PM

umm i use natural sea water and i do a water change once every 2 weeks....... no the other clown is fine and they only stayed in the same spot... they never swam around too much

benray4fun · 02/27/2007, 07:15 PM

When it's your time, "it's your time, " all your parameters may have been fine and maybe nothing happened at all. Life is like that ox, the fish could have died of natural causes and no fault of your own or anything else..."take your time picking out a new one."

O'Man · 02/27/2007, 08:04 PM

They can get internal parasites or parasites in the gills. Sorry.

paeSona · 02/27/2007, 08:05 PM

was he eating alot bc what the other guy said about stress with all those creaturess could be true.. u can notice this by him becoming fincky so to speak when it comes to eating.. and if he was hiding alot.. not swiimming alot also i portray as a sign of stress so he was prob. stressed out thats all i can thinkk.. just tough luckk but good luck with everything else and yeahh the 2 serpent starss is definitly to much for a 14 gal try sellin one or trading it in for a coral o something

good luckk...

oxkisses12ox · 02/27/2007, 09:30 PM

they are brittle stars i have to change that and they are only the size of a quarter......... ummm no she was eating a lot actually just as normal she begged for food!!! and she never went in the rocks and i never saw her in the rocks but i found her dead in them.... which was very stange..... parasites are very unikely too becuase i quarentined......... so i dont know! and my water is UV sterilized ......... i hope there is something im missing here.....!

kismetsh · 02/28/2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by waterfaller1
What is your SG. & are you using a refractometer to test? Are you using RO/DI water? Topping off daily?

I didn't see this question answered. You stated you use natural sea water for your water changes but what about your topoff? What do you use and how often do you do it? What is your SG and how much does it fluctuate?

reverendmaynard · 02/28/2007, 10:10 AM

Yeah, if you never top off with fresh water, and just put a little more new water in than old water taken out with every water change, your SG is going up and up.

Mr31415 · 02/28/2007, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ralphie16
why does nobody ever bring up the possibility of suicide?

LOL Now that was funny.....

ralphie16 · 02/28/2007, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oxkisses12ox
umm i use natural sea water and i do a water change once every 2 weeks....... no the other clown is fine and they only stayed in the same spot... they never swam around too much

I did not realize little kids type like they talk....ummmmm

anyways, your response to my inquiry did not make sense. I asked how you do your freshwater top off. you replied you use natural seawater. what does freshwater topoffs have to do with using natural or artifical seawater????

I am no chemist but I am pretty sure that natural seawater also evaporates. But then again I dont have any advanced degrees in chemistry to figure that out for myself.

so i think we have found that answer on how you killed your clownfish.

jimwat · 02/28/2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by benray4fun
When it's your time, "it's your time, " all your parameters may have been fine and maybe nothing happened at all. Life is like that ox, the fish could have died of natural causes and no fault of your own or anything else..."take your time picking out a new one."

I agree.

I lost a butterfly a couple of days ago for no "apparent" reason. I've had the fish since last summer. Good eater, very healthy, no problems with other inhabitants. Sunday I noticed that it was not eating, Monday it died. No changes to the tank, all parameters look good, and all of the other fish are looking/acting normally...Who knows??

Anyway, it always sucks when you loose a fish. It just makes it worse when you can not figure out why

oxkisses12ox · 02/28/2007, 05:57 PM

i dont know what a topoff is???? sorry!

JokerGirl · 02/28/2007, 07:34 PM

Don't freak out too badly. My Gold Striped Maroon died about a month ago for reasons unknown. I had it for a couple months, then one night it flipped out, was then spinning upside down in circles, and died shortly thereafter. No one else in my tank has died or gotten sick. It's just one of those things I guess.

A top off is what you do to keep the water level in your tank proper. You need to add FRESH water every so often depending on your lighting and other factors because the water evaporates out of your tank. You DO NOT want to top off your water level with saltwater. When your water level gets low, it is because water it evaporating. The actual water in your tank evaporates, but salt doesn't. If you continuously top off with saltwater, it will make the salt level in your tank rise to unsafe proportions and things will die.

If you do not know what a top off is, then you shouldn't be adding anymore fish/coral until you research this hobby a little more.

oxkisses12ox · 02/28/2007, 07:51 PM

i know what it means to do a water change and add water to your tank when it evaporates but i didnt know it was called topping off... and of COURSE i add RO water to make tank as it evaporates..... but i do water changes frequently so no as much water evaporates

02/25/2007, 12:37 AM	#1
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	i want to cry :( my clownfish died .. AND I DONT KNOW WHY i came home just now to find my clownfish in the rocks dead.... which is strange because my two clowns NEVER go in the rocks and i came home and the male was in the front of the tank as usual and i looked around for the female and she was no where to be found..... then i saw her in the rocks dead..... my water parameters were all 0 , and my cleaner shrimp, other clown, goby hermits and horseshoe are all living and doing great as well as my corals.... there was nothing wrong with the clownfish and no ick or any disease was present...... it did have its top fin kind of chewed off but it was from bristle worms i think because when i found her they were all on her....... ANYYYYY IDEA OF HOW SHE DIED AT ALL??????????????? __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

02/25/2007, 01:55 AM	#2
chevegan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Colorado springs, co Posts: 1,614	Pistol shrimp? Mantis shrimp? disease? number of things I guess, could be anything. And just a note, 2 serpent stars for a 14 is too much IMO. __________________ Everything is copasetic. Reefing on a budget Current Tank Info: Do it right the first time, save up, spend where it counts OR end up another craigslist ad of money lost.--------Why is this hobby so damn expensive??!-------

02/25/2007, 03:15 AM	#3
Justdrew Dad with Triplets! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 583	Also watch out for that horseshoe. They get to be over a foot in size. I remember them getting in the crab pots on bay side at Ocean City, MD when I was little. They scared the living daylights out of me. If course back then they seemed like giant monsters, but in reality he can grow to be bigger than your 14 gallon tank itself. Later Drew __________________ "As Far As You Know!" -Fletch Current Tank Info: 40 Breeder, 2X Radion XR15W, Vortech MP40 & MP10, Simplicity Aquatics 240DC Skimmer, Apex Controlled

02/26/2007, 05:01 PM	#5
dippin61 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,897	i second the watching the horseshoe crab... it can easily get a foot long. __________________ Reefers Law: It can take about 48 hours to brown, and 48 weeks to color back up! Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon BB Low Iron Glass, Dual 110w VHO Actinics, 250w PFO MH 20k XM

02/26/2007, 05:42 PM	#6
alan214 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Colony, TX Posts: 1,258	I'd be much more suspicious of the Serpent Stars. __________________ I live really close to the airport. The other day I was walking across the living room and the stewardess told me to take my seat. Current Tank Info: 73G FOWLR

02/25/2007, 05:51 AM	#4
waterfaller1 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 3,343	How long did you have the fish? What is your SG. & are you using a refractometer to test? Are you using RO/DI water? Topping off daily? How is the flow, did you replace the pump with another? Generally nanos come with inadequate pumps.

02/26/2007, 05:51 PM	#7
vtrider Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 266	the serpent star would have eaten it

02/27/2007, 02:35 PM	#8
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	it wasnt eaten at all and i have had the clown for 5 months......... i use Natural sea water ........ i didnt change anything and i use a chemical test kit not the strips __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

02/27/2007, 03:20 PM	#9
ralphie16 Moved On Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,550	why does nobody ever bring up the possibility of suicide? my freshwater betta once took a nose dive into gravel and never came back up. looks like living in a 0.1 gallon cup didnt keep him happy..who would have thought....

02/27/2007, 06:22 PM	#12
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	umm i use natural sea water and i do a water change once every 2 weeks....... no the other clown is fine and they only stayed in the same spot... they never swam around too much __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

02/27/2007, 07:15 PM	#13
benray4fun Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hartford, CONNECTICUT Posts: 1,147	When it's your time, "it's your time, " all your parameters may have been fine and maybe nothing happened at all. Life is like that ox, the fish could have died of natural causes and no fault of your own or anything else..."take your time picking out a new one."

02/27/2007, 08:04 PM	#14
O'Man 10 & Over Club Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: USA Posts: 838	They can get internal parasites or parasites in the gills. Sorry.

02/27/2007, 08:05 PM	#15
paeSona Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: new york Posts: 84	was he eating alot bc what the other guy said about stress with all those creaturess could be true.. u can notice this by him becoming fincky so to speak when it comes to eating.. and if he was hiding alot.. not swiimming alot also i portray as a sign of stress so he was prob. stressed out thats all i can thinkk.. just tough luckk but good luck with everything else and yeahh the 2 serpent starss is definitly to much for a 14 gal try sellin one or trading it in for a coral o something good luckk...

02/27/2007, 09:30 PM	#16
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	they are brittle stars i have to change that and they are only the size of a quarter......... ummm no she was eating a lot actually just as normal she begged for food!!! and she never went in the rocks and i never saw her in the rocks but i found her dead in them.... which was very stange..... parasites are very unikely too becuase i quarentined......... so i dont know! and my water is UV sterilized ......... i hope there is something im missing here.....! __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

02/28/2007, 10:10 AM	#18
reverendmaynard Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: RI Posts: 1,490	Yeah, if you never top off with fresh water, and just put a little more new water in than old water taken out with every water change, your SG is going up and up. __________________ Think for yourself. Question authority. Current Tank Info: 125 gal AGA, setup on 1/1/06; 29 gal seahorse tank, setup 10/21/06

02/28/2007, 05:57 PM	#22
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	i dont know what a topoff is???? sorry! __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

02/28/2007, 07:34 PM	#23
JokerGirl Whistler's Mother Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: That place Posts: 1,345	Don't freak out too badly. My Gold Striped Maroon died about a month ago for reasons unknown. I had it for a couple months, then one night it flipped out, was then spinning upside down in circles, and died shortly thereafter. No one else in my tank has died or gotten sick. It's just one of those things I guess. A top off is what you do to keep the water level in your tank proper. You need to add FRESH water every so often depending on your lighting and other factors because the water evaporates out of your tank. You DO NOT want to top off your water level with saltwater. When your water level gets low, it is because water it evaporating. The actual water in your tank evaporates, but salt doesn't. If you continuously top off with saltwater, it will make the salt level in your tank rise to unsafe proportions and things will die. If you do not know what a top off is, then you shouldn't be adding anymore fish/coral until you research this hobby a little more. __________________ 01000001 01101110 01111001 01101111 01101110 01100101 00111111 Current Tank Info: 120g Reef Tank, 60g Cube Mantis/Reef Tank, Want more info, ask me.

02/28/2007, 07:51 PM	#24
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	i know what it means to do a water change and add water to your tank when it evaporates but i didnt know it was called topping off... and of COURSE i add RO water to make tank as it evaporates..... but i do water changes frequently so no as much water evaporates __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube