can i glue these mushrooms?

ProAccordV6 · 03/20/2007, 09:18 AM

I have a few mushrooms that have unattached themselves from their previous location. Right now they are just floating around and kinda sitting in the low flow areas unattched.

My question is; can i glue the foot of the mushroom to a piece of live rock w/ super glue gel. I tried rubber banding one, but it ended up mangling it up and actually splitting it. Although now both pieces have attached themselves to the small rock.

thanks in advance.

Frick-n-Frags · 03/20/2007, 09:29 AM

Yes you can glue them.

dry the spot on the rock, pu a blob of gel
put shroom gently facedown in your one "wet" hand
with dry hand, dab foot dry with a kleenex.

If it is a big shroom you can put SG on its foot. If it is tiny, and I have glued some really small pieces, no glue on the foot.

take the rock in dry hand and sort of put the rock to the shroom, blob to the dry foot. twist it very slightly and set in a container of water that you have nearby to kill the glue

Here is the deal. some shrooms will be content with placement. others will not and bail. that's the gamble

you can gently trap them onto a rock with a piece of bridal veil, then anchor the veil however it is feasable. that will hold them down at many points and not do the "rubberband autofrag" trick

kiknchikn · 03/20/2007, 09:29 AM

Gluing the mushroom directly to the rock does not work consistently from what I've read (never tried it myself though). Corallimorphs secrete mucus that loosens them from the glue. Instead I would use the bridal veil, jar-o-rubble, or the needle and thread method.

My personal favorite is the bridal veil method, which I have used many times with 100% success, even with extremely tiny mushroom frags.

Frick-n-Frags · 03/20/2007, 09:33 AM

Just thinking, I actually have meditated on making a hexagonal or octagonal jig to put a big shroom on and put 3 or 4 rubberbands to slice it like a pie. That is so cool how rubberband tension will morph right through a softie.

I have also seen the softie grow back together above the rubberband like an old tree with old barbed wire on it

kiknchikn · 03/20/2007, 09:46 AM

I've thought about doing the same thing Frick, but with very small gauge nylon thread used for sewing. I'm currently trying to frag a ricordea by tying that nylon string around it as an experiment. It seems to be working pretty well

ProAccordV6 · 03/20/2007, 10:34 AM

thanks for all the replies. Cant wait to try some of these and see what happens.

davidryder · 03/21/2007, 12:18 AM

I didn't know it was so easy to frag mushrooms.

drummereef · 03/21/2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by ProAccordV6
I have a few mushrooms that have unattached themselves from their previous location. Right now they are just floating around and kinda sitting in the low flow areas unattched.

My question is; can i glue the foot of the mushroom to a piece of live rock w/ super glue gel. I tried rubber banding one, but it ended up mangling it up and actually splitting it. Although now both pieces have attached themselves to the small rock.

thanks in advance.

Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. If there is a little bit of sand attached to the foot of the mushroom you will be able to glue it with some superglue (gel type). If the foot is bare then it will most likely be too slimy for the glue to attach. You can put the shroom in a little cup with some sand (obviously inside the tank) and allow the shroom some time to attach the sand to its foot. Then you'll be able to glue it where ever you want. You also could try and put some rubble in the cup and see if it will attach to that too.

drksails · 03/21/2007, 01:16 AM

yeah, the veil works as long as it is big enough to let the light through, otherwise atrophy (in my experience)

Frick-n-Frags · 03/21/2007, 05:26 AM

tres cool kik

I dig progressive thinking when it comes to mangling coral

my favorite part of the hobby.

kiknchikn · 03/21/2007, 07:45 AM

The fishing line worked

Took less than a week to force it to split. Very cool!

Steverino · 03/21/2007, 07:59 AM

can you explain the bridal veil method, I'm not familiar with it and have some floating shrooms too.

I tried to use the rubber band method on a frag of Colt coral and I made it very loose, I had to adjust it almost every day cause that slimy coral would not stay still (maybe too much flow). After a week the colt split and the two pieces fell off the rock. Within 2 days one of them attached to the gravel, so I glued the gravel to a rock! The other frag piece 'swallowed' the rubber band, it was actually inside the base of it and it grew around the rubber band. I cut the rubber band the slid it out.

kiknchikn · 03/21/2007, 08:07 AM

I hope this picture helps. Basically you wrap a piece of bridal veil around a rock and hold it there loosely with a rubber band. In this picture I twisted the bridal veil up and used the rubberband to hold the twist in place under the rock. I usually just wrap the rubberband ontop of the rock and over the bridal veil though, which I don't have a picture of (it doesn't look as nice but it's easier). The trick is to keep the bridal veil loose against the polyp, but not too loose or it'll slip out and float away.

www.MikesReef.com

Steverino · 03/21/2007, 08:20 AM

thanks, kinda what I figured. How long would it take a shroom to adhere would you guess?
Where does one get the veil? A Walmart fabric/sewing section?

kiknchikn · 03/21/2007, 08:31 AM

Anywhere from a few days to a few weeks, but in your case it should be pretty quick since the whole foot is there on the mushroom. I've fragged ricordeas that did not have part of the foot on them (accidental cuts) and they took over 2 weeks to grow a foot to attach with.

Bridal veil should be in most fabric stores or fabric departments.

chrisstie · 03/21/2007, 08:58 AM

Hey kiknchikn do you have any pics of how you got yours to split? thats a really neat idear!

kiknchikn · 03/21/2007, 09:06 AM

Unfortunately no, I didn't take any pics

Here's exactly what I did:

1.) bought some very small gauge nylon thread (size 0.005)
2.) cut off a 4 or 5 inch piece
3.) positioned it around the rock and between the two mouths of my ricordea
4.) tied it into a somewhat tight knot, but not tight enough to cut through the ric
5.) waited patiently and watched the ric slowly divide itself over the course of about 7 days

I started this process late in the evening on 3/13 according to my log (www.mikesreef.com) and I discovered it split last night (3/20) during a water change.

I don't believe it is entirely split through the foot yet, but the polyp itself has been split into two polyps, each of which has a skirt of tentacles.

UnderCoverDork · 03/21/2007, 11:46 AM

also

you can take a yogart cup
cut off the toip 3/4 of it
put substrate in the bottom of it
put the shroom in it
put netting over it w/ rubberband
place in a low flow area
the shroom will naturally attach to the substrate
then it is safe to glue the shroom (or the substrate now attached) to the LR

just another option that has worked for me

piznac · 03/21/2007, 01:19 PM

check out the video here on fragging shrooms
http://reefvideos.com/

03/20/2007, 09:18 AM	#1
ProAccordV6 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tallahassee/Orlando FL Posts: 58	can i glue these mushrooms? I have a few mushrooms that have unattached themselves from their previous location. Right now they are just floating around and kinda sitting in the low flow areas unattched. My question is; can i glue the foot of the mushroom to a piece of live rock w/ super glue gel. I tried rubber banding one, but it ended up mangling it up and actually splitting it. Although now both pieces have attached themselves to the small rock. thanks in advance.

03/20/2007, 09:29 AM	#2
Frick-n-Frags Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: north central OH Posts: 10,740	Yes you can glue them. dry the spot on the rock, pu a blob of gel put shroom gently facedown in your one "wet" hand with dry hand, dab foot dry with a kleenex. If it is a big shroom you can put SG on its foot. If it is tiny, and I have glued some really small pieces, no glue on the foot. take the rock in dry hand and sort of put the rock to the shroom, blob to the dry foot. twist it very slightly and set in a container of water that you have nearby to kill the glue Here is the deal. some shrooms will be content with placement. others will not and bail. that's the gamble you can gently trap them onto a rock with a piece of bridal veil, then anchor the veil however it is feasable. that will hold them down at many points and not do the "rubberband autofrag" trick __________________ Only Dead fish swim with the current. Current Tank Info: 2 50 gal tanks, sump, still BB

03/20/2007, 09:29 AM	#3
kiknchikn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Posts: 1,556	Gluing the mushroom directly to the rock does not work consistently from what I've read (never tried it myself though). Corallimorphs secrete mucus that loosens them from the glue. Instead I would use the bridal veil, jar-o-rubble, or the needle and thread method. My personal favorite is the bridal veil method, which I have used many times with 100% success, even with extremely tiny mushroom frags. __________________ I am a proud member of the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society (CMAS). If you're in the Maryland area check us out! Current Tank Info: 30g nano reef Last edited by kiknchikn; 03/20/2007 at 09:46 AM.

03/20/2007, 09:33 AM	#4
Frick-n-Frags Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: north central OH Posts: 10,740	Just thinking, I actually have meditated on making a hexagonal or octagonal jig to put a big shroom on and put 3 or 4 rubberbands to slice it like a pie. That is so cool how rubberband tension will morph right through a softie. I have also seen the softie grow back together above the rubberband like an old tree with old barbed wire on it __________________ Only Dead fish swim with the current. Current Tank Info: 2 50 gal tanks, sump, still BB

03/20/2007, 09:46 AM	#5
kiknchikn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Posts: 1,556	I've thought about doing the same thing Frick, but with very small gauge nylon thread used for sewing. I'm currently trying to frag a ricordea by tying that nylon string around it as an experiment. It seems to be working pretty well __________________ I am a proud member of the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society (CMAS). If you're in the Maryland area check us out! Current Tank Info: 30g nano reef

03/20/2007, 10:34 AM	#6
ProAccordV6 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tallahassee/Orlando FL Posts: 58	thanks for all the replies. Cant wait to try some of these and see what happens.

03/21/2007, 12:18 AM	#7
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03/21/2007, 01:16 AM	#9
drksails Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: sacramento Posts: 35	yeah, the veil works as long as it is big enough to let the light through, otherwise atrophy (in my experience) __________________ Where's Pooty Tang? OHh! sadatae my baymies Current Tank Info: 90 gal, 80 lbs LR,

03/21/2007, 05:26 AM	#10
Frick-n-Frags Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: north central OH Posts: 10,740	tres cool kik I dig progressive thinking when it comes to mangling coral my favorite part of the hobby. __________________ Only Dead fish swim with the current. Current Tank Info: 2 50 gal tanks, sump, still BB

03/21/2007, 07:45 AM	#11
kiknchikn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Posts: 1,556	The fishing line worked Took less than a week to force it to split. Very cool! __________________ I am a proud member of the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society (CMAS). If you're in the Maryland area check us out! Current Tank Info: 30g nano reef

03/21/2007, 07:59 AM	#12
Steverino Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: western Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1,114	can you explain the bridal veil method, I'm not familiar with it and have some floating shrooms too. I tried to use the rubber band method on a frag of Colt coral and I made it very loose, I had to adjust it almost every day cause that slimy coral would not stay still (maybe too much flow). After a week the colt split and the two pieces fell off the rock. Within 2 days one of them attached to the gravel, so I glued the gravel to a rock! The other frag piece 'swallowed' the rubber band, it was actually inside the base of it and it grew around the rubber band. I cut the rubber band the slid it out.

03/21/2007, 08:07 AM	#13
kiknchikn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Posts: 1,556	I hope this picture helps. Basically you wrap a piece of bridal veil around a rock and hold it there loosely with a rubber band. In this picture I twisted the bridal veil up and used the rubberband to hold the twist in place under the rock. I usually just wrap the rubberband ontop of the rock and over the bridal veil though, which I don't have a picture of (it doesn't look as nice but it's easier). The trick is to keep the bridal veil loose against the polyp, but not too loose or it'll slip out and float away. www.MikesReef.com __________________ I am a proud member of the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society (CMAS). If you're in the Maryland area check us out! Current Tank Info: 30g nano reef

03/21/2007, 08:20 AM	#14
Steverino Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: western Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1,114	thanks, kinda what I figured. How long would it take a shroom to adhere would you guess? Where does one get the veil? A Walmart fabric/sewing section?

03/21/2007, 08:31 AM	#15
kiknchikn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Posts: 1,556	Anywhere from a few days to a few weeks, but in your case it should be pretty quick since the whole foot is there on the mushroom. I've fragged ricordeas that did not have part of the foot on them (accidental cuts) and they took over 2 weeks to grow a foot to attach with. Bridal veil should be in most fabric stores or fabric departments. __________________ I am a proud member of the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society (CMAS). If you're in the Maryland area check us out! Current Tank Info: 30g nano reef

03/21/2007, 08:58 AM	#16
chrisstie Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,727	Hey kiknchikn do you have any pics of how you got yours to split? thats a really neat idear! __________________ You lookin' at my wrasse? Current Tank Info: I find it odd that there are children starving in this country and yet we euthanize millions of stray dogs and cats every year and then incinerate the bodies. Not only that, but we make it illegal to butcher the meat. -MarkS

03/21/2007, 09:06 AM	#17
kiknchikn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Posts: 1,556	Unfortunately no, I didn't take any pics Here's exactly what I did: 1.) bought some very small gauge nylon thread (size 0.005) 2.) cut off a 4 or 5 inch piece 3.) positioned it around the rock and between the two mouths of my ricordea 4.) tied it into a somewhat tight knot, but not tight enough to cut through the ric 5.) waited patiently and watched the ric slowly divide itself over the course of about 7 days I started this process late in the evening on 3/13 according to my log (www.mikesreef.com) and I discovered it split last night (3/20) during a water change. I don't believe it is entirely split through the foot yet, but the polyp itself has been split into two polyps, each of which has a skirt of tentacles. __________________ I am a proud member of the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society (CMAS). If you're in the Maryland area check us out! Current Tank Info: 30g nano reef

03/21/2007, 11:46 AM	#18
UnderCoverDork Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Detroit Posts: 429	also you can take a yogart cup cut off the toip 3/4 of it put substrate in the bottom of it put the shroom in it put netting over it w/ rubberband place in a low flow area the shroom will naturally attach to the substrate then it is safe to glue the shroom (or the substrate now attached) to the LR just another option that has worked for me

03/21/2007, 01:19 PM	#19
piznac Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15	check out the video here on fragging shrooms http://reefvideos.com/