Hey i want all of your opinion on this

chuppy · 09/03/2007, 10:03 PM

Hey there!! this is my current tank.... It ain't much but i would like all your opinions on this... What aquascape would u call this? a drop-off or island?

Replies and critics are most welcomed.

funman1 · 09/03/2007, 10:05 PM

Lookin good..
Just clean the glass before the next picture

AquaReeferMan · 09/03/2007, 10:34 PM

Wow 3 different types of clowns and a Hippo tang in what looks like a 12g tank. Tank looks good besides the fish you have in there. Once those clowns mature they will most likely fight till the end and the hippo tang shouldnt be in a tank that small. They can reach sizes of 1 foot.

chuppy · 09/03/2007, 10:48 PM

funman .. i post a wrong pic up... here's the latest pic...

aquareeferman... i was also stumped when my LFS dude told me it is okay to add these 3 clowns together.. he claims they have been tamed and are won't be as aggressive to each other as they normally would... well.. turns out he was right... They are rather peaceful to each other rather than what i heard from other reefers about mixing different type of clowns... when they came over to see my tank they went like... what the! those clowns aren't aggressive to each other'!? lol but here it is.. i am thinking to add another common clown fish and when the tank is mature enough.. i would also add a mandarinfish...

it currently houses

1 Blue Tang
1 African Clown
1 Tomato Clown
1 Common clown

1 Blood Shrimp
1 Cleaner Shrimp
1 green tubeworm

chuppy · 09/03/2007, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AquaReeferMan
Wow 3 different types of clowns and a Hippo tang in what looks like a 12g tank. Tank looks good besides the fish you have in there. Once those clowns mature they will most likely fight till the end and the hippo tang shouldnt be in a tank that small. They can reach sizes of 1 foot.

i know i did some research about the tang... yep it could reach a foot... BUT once again the dude from my LFS appears... he has customers keeping the tangs he sold in a 3 gal tank for 2 years.. and didnt grow... i mean.. even his own tang in his 100gal. preview tank is at 3 inches after 4 years.. weird... he claims to have gotten this strain of smaller species of blue tangs... but heck... i trust him for now.. since the tank ain't causing a problem ... yea... like you said... the clowns will get more aggressive when they mature.. hope that you're not right.. is so.. i gotta get rid of the tomato and the african.. the common clown appeals best to me

jon99 · 09/03/2007, 11:25 PM

DON'T get a mandarin fish, DON'T get another clown, and quit listening to whoever sold you the other fish. The mandarine feeds almost exclusively on copepods and your small tank with no refugium won't sustain it for longer then a few months, even once it it mature. Your clowns may be fine for now, but as stated earlier will most likely end with only one. The hippo may also be fine for now too, but I doubt it makes it two years like the guy told you. Definitely think about finding it a new home in the near future or look into investing in a larger tank.

chuppy · 09/03/2007, 11:28 PM

lol will do Jon.. im hoping to set-up a 50-gal reef tank in about.. half-years time? technically my house is almost outta space LOL

spike78 · 09/04/2007, 12:46 AM

A 50 isn't going to do it either. I would really recommend doing some research on your own before purchasing livestock.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=739380

scotmc · 09/04/2007, 08:05 AM

I would stop listening to the dude at the LFS. It is cruel to keep a hippo in a 12ga tank. I saw a 10 year old hippo in a 125 and it was big for that tank. It's up to you to be a responsible keeper. The dude at the LFS is full of it.

MalHavoc · 09/04/2007, 08:09 AM

Gotta agree. The dude at your LFS is full of crap. A smaller species of tang? You should find where he's getting his medication, because he sounds like he's off of it.

I'd definitely also stay away from a mandarin. Yeah, they are a small fish, but they need mature tanks with a large pod population to do well. It's hard to accomplish this in a nano tank.

rbtwo4 · 09/04/2007, 08:25 AM

Just imagine urself living in ur closet from when u are 5 yrs old until now. How do u think that would stunt ur growth??? I'm not a expert but these fish need apparently LOTS of swimming space.

Rue · 09/04/2007, 08:28 AM

Your corals look great! But I have to agree with the others about the fish...

Keep the clowns if they get along...but get rid of the tang - and no more fish in that tank! If for no other reason that they need lots of room to move!

...and a little house-keeping would do wonders! I know it gets dirty fast...I'm struggling to keep mine clean too...

cdentii1 · 09/04/2007, 09:13 AM

I can hear it already.... Hay mannnn check it out dude there is a new kinda tang that don't grow so big.... he has customers keeping the tangs he sold in a 3 gal tank for 2 years.. and didn't grow... i mean.. even his own tang in his 100gal. preview tank is at 3 inches after 4 years.. weird... All I have to say is Either that LFS guy is either on too strong of meds or he needs some Period. And can anyone tell me how to tame a fish are there obedience classes for fish now? I hate to say it my friend you was given some very very very bad information. and a Mandarin in a 12g..... never as it will surely die slowly they will only consume pods and a 12G can not support and reproduce enough of them I would say a mature 75g reef (with fuge) should do, IMOP any tang nothing less than a 6' tank.

Eric55 · 09/04/2007, 09:35 AM

There seems to be something on the glass and/or sand. When I clean my sand and/or scrape down my glass, it makes a world of difference.

I like what you've done. The corals and their placement look great.

Man-Reef isDown · 09/04/2007, 09:44 AM

3 different clowns the same tank (especially that size) is a very very bad idea.

rickytikki · 09/04/2007, 09:44 AM

Looks pretty good, get rid of the brown stuff, though.

Now for the requisite criticism: The tang shouldn't be in that tank. The clowns may get along for now, but that ain't gonna last, trust me.

Oh yeah, the guy at your fish store is either a friggin' retard or he just wants to take all of your money (probably both).

Brandon M · 09/04/2007, 10:00 AM

I've learned that 9 out of 10 times not listening to the guy at the LFS is a good idea.

Nanz · 09/04/2007, 10:43 AM

Hmm.. I have to agree with the others about the fish. Do some research first and then plan your tank before buying the fish of the month at the LFS.

Also.. might want to remove that Ammonia indicator. It looks like its spent.

MalHavoc · 09/04/2007, 10:54 AM

Okay, guys - just wanted to mention that we should probably stop talking about the tang to keep the thread from turning into a pile on

I mean, not that it hasn't happened already.

you've done a great job with your corals. Keep it up!

rbtwo4 · 09/04/2007, 11:02 AM

I think its a phoney post. He only has 15 posts & the pic looks fake

steri · 09/04/2007, 12:01 PM

Ok, I won't jump on the fish band wagon, but I agree with all that.

However, for the moment I will assume this is a real thread, although I have my serious doubts as somthing smells "trollish" in the area.

Anyway, the corals do look good right now, but I would be very concerned that the bioload in that tank will not be able to sustain coral life for very much longer, meaning that all of your corals could die soon due to high nitrates and ammonia, and if they go, they can easily take the fish with them (Which would concern me if I were you because it looks like a lot of money has gone into the livestock of your nano).

Just for future consideration, once again assuming this IS a real thread wanting REAL advice: Most people that have something like a 12 gallon nano usually only keep inverts and one fish out of concern that nitrates, nitrites, and ammonia will cause a crash if the bioload is too heavy. Sometimes I have seen two fish in a 12 gallon nano, but 2 is the max I have ever seen or heard of, and when I do see 2 fish in a 12 gallon nano, usually it is a small occ. clownfish with a smaller goby (like a clown goby....not a manderian).

What you should be thnking about if you want to keep a reef in a nano is the biolad in the tank and balancing the bioload so it does not cause your tank to crash. I would imagine that right now, your tank is hanging on by a thread. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you will soon and I'm sure you won't set foot in that cruddy LFS again.....once again, assuming this is a real thread.

Sniff sniff.......what the heck is that awful troll smell?

steri · 09/04/2007, 12:20 PM

Ok, I've read some of yourother posts. I am starting to think this is a genuine post guys and this guy needs HELP, but man, if you have only had your tank up for one month, and you have all those coral and fish in there (that have all been added in one month which is about the time it takes any tank to fully cycle), you are in for MASSIVE problems within a week or 2.

The best advice you can hear right now is SSSSLLLLOOOOWWWW DDDDOOOOWWWWNNNN!!!!

If you don't want to look at it from the "it's not good for the animals perspective" that's fine, but look at it from the "it's not good for my wallet" perspective. You are about to kill everything, which means all the money you have spent on corals and fish are about to go down the drain. Adding that much fish and coral to any tank, even 125 gallon tanks, is way too much to be adding in one month. I know this hobby is VERY exciting in the beginning, but that is when it's most important to take things slow.

Please, for the sake of the money that I'm sure you don't want to see ****ed away, find a new home for 3 of the 4 fish you have or take them back to the LFS. Even then you will have to cross your fingers, but at least then you will have a better chance to save some of the money you have spent. If you keep all the fish in there for much longer, your entire tank WILL die. That's not a threat, it is a promise, especially knowing that all of that livestock has been aded to a one month old tank.

Good luck.

chuppy · 09/04/2007, 08:43 PM

Ok guys here's the thing... I have always been a Freshwater Planted guy... for 3 years i suppose... I'm sort of new to salt water set-up .. like steri said, my tank is now 6 weeks old now.... Yes it is true i sort of screwed up my tank in a way... this is what I'm planning to do...

Return these livestock to the LFS:
african clown
tomato clown
regal tang

Obtaining:
another common clown that's all...

What I won't do:
return any of my corals
kill them off(of course)
Buy a mandarin
Buy a neon goby
Buy any more corals...( i have a total of 12 already.. that is already too much a nyways)

Well this is my plan to do.
My fishes ain't the priority now.. Im choosing all my corals over my fishes now

Priority is on the corals I'm having.. will doing this be better for the tank overall?? come on guys.. im a noob . Advices are greatly appreciated... not painful criticism (Im' not a phony T.T)

P.S. nothing is trollish here... I'm changing my sources of marine LFS now thank you very much.

mangus7175 · 09/04/2007, 09:23 PM

As a note since you mentioned that you will be focusing on corals keep in mind the lighting you are planning to setup. Depending on the light you have will dictate what corals you can keep.

PM me and I can send over some links for good reading regarding starting out in this hobby...

Here's one that I read before I purchased my first tank.

http://reefcentral.com/modules.php?s...showpage&pid=1

Good luck

rcerulli · 09/04/2007, 09:30 PM

Another problem you will find is that corals are WAY more sensitive to poor water problems then fish.

09/03/2007, 10:03 PM	#1
chuppy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Penang, Malaysia Posts: 269	Hey i want all of your opinion on this Hey there!! this is my current tank.... It ain't much but i would like all your opinions on this... What aquascape would u call this? a drop-off or island? Replies and critics are most welcomed.

09/03/2007, 10:05 PM	#2
funman1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 4,898	Lookin good.. Just clean the glass before the next picture __________________ Professional Pyro: NO REALLY; I get PAID to blow stuff up!! ~Steve~ Current Tank Info: 12G NANO

09/03/2007, 10:34 PM	#3
AquaReeferMan Got Reef? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Under the Sea, Pa Posts: 4,593	Wow 3 different types of clowns and a Hippo tang in what looks like a 12g tank. Tank looks good besides the fish you have in there. Once those clowns mature they will most likely fight till the end and the hippo tang shouldnt be in a tank that small. They can reach sizes of 1 foot. __________________ Couple SPS/Zoanthid tanks and a couple of FW planted tanks. Current Tank Info: 5 pieces of glass with some silicone and plastic frames holding them together

09/03/2007, 11:25 PM	#6
jon99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atl Ga Posts: 817	DON'T get a mandarin fish, DON'T get another clown, and quit listening to whoever sold you the other fish. The mandarine feeds almost exclusively on copepods and your small tank with no refugium won't sustain it for longer then a few months, even once it it mature. Your clowns may be fine for now, but as stated earlier will most likely end with only one. The hippo may also be fine for now too, but I doubt it makes it two years like the guy told you. Definitely think about finding it a new home in the near future or look into investing in a larger tank. __________________ Current tank: 210 gallon mixed reef 2x250w radium, 1x400w radium, 2x vortech mp40, 2 seaswirls. 40 gallon frag tank 250w radium, vortech mp10, seaswirl. 55 gallon sump w/ remote DSB, turf scrubber, SR Current Tank Info: 210 in the works

09/03/2007, 11:28 PM	#7
chuppy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Penang, Malaysia Posts: 269	lol will do Jon.. im hoping to set-up a 50-gal reef tank in about.. half-years time? technically my house is almost outta space LOL __________________ - Chuppy a.k.a. Andrew Your clownfish is doing Whaaa? Current Tank Info: 50G mixed reef

09/03/2007, 10:48 PM	#4
chuppy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Penang, Malaysia Posts: 269	funman .. i post a wrong pic up... here's the latest pic... aquareeferman... i was also stumped when my LFS dude told me it is okay to add these 3 clowns together.. he claims they have been tamed and are won't be as aggressive to each other as they normally would... well.. turns out he was right... They are rather peaceful to each other rather than what i heard from other reefers about mixing different type of clowns... when they came over to see my tank they went like... what the! those clowns aren't aggressive to each other'!? lol but here it is.. i am thinking to add another common clown fish and when the tank is mature enough.. i would also add a mandarinfish... it currently houses 1 Blue Tang 1 African Clown 1 Tomato Clown 1 Common clown 1 Blood Shrimp 1 Cleaner Shrimp 1 green tubeworm

09/04/2007, 12:46 AM	#8
spike78 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 420	A 50 isn't going to do it either. I would really recommend doing some research on your own before purchasing livestock. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=739380

09/04/2007, 08:05 AM	#9
scotmc Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 765	I would stop listening to the dude at the LFS. It is cruel to keep a hippo in a 12ga tank. I saw a 10 year old hippo in a 125 and it was big for that tank. It's up to you to be a responsible keeper. The dude at the LFS is full of it.

09/04/2007, 08:09 AM	#10
MalHavoc Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 10,850	Gotta agree. The dude at your LFS is full of crap. A smaller species of tang? You should find where he's getting his medication, because he sounds like he's off of it. I'd definitely also stay away from a mandarin. Yeah, they are a small fish, but they need mature tanks with a large pod population to do well. It's hard to accomplish this in a nano tank. __________________ Jason "Empathy, he once had decided, must be limited to herbivores or anyhow omnivores who could depart from a meat diet. Because, ultimately, the empathic gift blurred the boundaries between hunter and victim, between the successful and the defeated." -- Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, Philip K Dick

09/04/2007, 08:25 AM	#11
rbtwo4 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NY Posts: 747	Just imagine urself living in ur closet from when u are 5 yrs old until now. How do u think that would stunt ur growth??? I'm not a expert but these fish need apparently LOTS of swimming space. __________________ I am completely ADDICTED!!!! Current Tank Info: 30G Rimless Deep Blue, AI Sol, 120 SWC Skimmer, Apex controller, MP10

09/04/2007, 08:28 AM	#12
Rue Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Saskatchewan Canada Posts: 938	Your corals look great! But I have to agree with the others about the fish... Keep the clowns if they get along...but get rid of the tang - and no more fish in that tank! If for no other reason that they need lots of room to move! ...and a little house-keeping would do wonders! I know it gets dirty fast...I'm struggling to keep mine clean too... __________________ Authorized Pistol Shrimp/Goby Matchmaker... Current Tank Info: RSM 34g; 27g custom frag tank coming soon! FW: 25g community, 55g goldfish, 25l plakat

09/04/2007, 09:13 AM	#13
cdentii1 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canton, OH Posts: 527	I can hear it already.... Hay mannnn check it out dude there is a new kinda tang that don't grow so big.... he has customers keeping the tangs he sold in a 3 gal tank for 2 years.. and didn't grow... i mean.. even his own tang in his 100gal. preview tank is at 3 inches after 4 years.. weird... All I have to say is Either that LFS guy is either on too strong of meds or he needs some Period. And can anyone tell me how to tame a fish are there obedience classes for fish now? I hate to say it my friend you was given some very very very bad information. and a Mandarin in a 12g..... never as it will surely die slowly they will only consume pods and a 12G can not support and reproduce enough of them I would say a mature 75g reef (with fuge) should do, IMOP any tang nothing less than a 6' tank.

09/04/2007, 09:35 AM	#14
Eric55 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 490	There seems to be something on the glass and/or sand. When I clean my sand and/or scrape down my glass, it makes a world of difference. I like what you've done. The corals and their placement look great.

09/04/2007, 09:44 AM	#15
Man-Reef isDown Moved On Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5	3 different clowns the same tank (especially that size) is a very very bad idea.

09/04/2007, 09:44 AM	#16
rickytikki Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 126	Looks pretty good, get rid of the brown stuff, though. Now for the requisite criticism: The tang shouldn't be in that tank. The clowns may get along for now, but that ain't gonna last, trust me. Oh yeah, the guy at your fish store is either a friggin' retard or he just wants to take all of your money (probably both).

09/04/2007, 10:00 AM	#17
Brandon M Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,116	I've learned that 9 out of 10 times not listening to the guy at the LFS is a good idea. __________________ Brandon Current Tank Info: 315g 84"x24"x36" FOWLR

09/04/2007, 10:43 AM	#18
Nanz Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,389	Hmm.. I have to agree with the others about the fish. Do some research first and then plan your tank before buying the fish of the month at the LFS. Also.. might want to remove that Ammonia indicator. It looks like its spent. __________________ S.G. = 1.025, Temp = 78.5, pH = 8.00 Ca = 550 ppm, Alk = 176 ppm (9.85 dKH), Mg = 1300 ppm NO3 = 0.97 ppm, PO4 = 0.07 ppm Nuvo 30, Razor Nano LED, Tunze ATO, Tunze 9004 skimmer, Vortec mp10,

09/04/2007, 10:54 AM	#19
MalHavoc Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 10,850	Okay, guys - just wanted to mention that we should probably stop talking about the tang to keep the thread from turning into a pile on I mean, not that it hasn't happened already. you've done a great job with your corals. Keep it up! __________________ Jason "Empathy, he once had decided, must be limited to herbivores or anyhow omnivores who could depart from a meat diet. Because, ultimately, the empathic gift blurred the boundaries between hunter and victim, between the successful and the defeated." -- Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, Philip K Dick

09/04/2007, 11:02 AM	#20
rbtwo4 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NY Posts: 747	I think its a phoney post. He only has 15 posts & the pic looks fake __________________ I am completely ADDICTED!!!! Current Tank Info: 30G Rimless Deep Blue, AI Sol, 120 SWC Skimmer, Apex controller, MP10

09/04/2007, 12:01 PM	#21
steri Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aurora, IL. Posts: 2,361	Ok, I won't jump on the fish band wagon, but I agree with all that. However, for the moment I will assume this is a real thread, although I have my serious doubts as somthing smells "trollish" in the area. Anyway, the corals do look good right now, but I would be very concerned that the bioload in that tank will not be able to sustain coral life for very much longer, meaning that all of your corals could die soon due to high nitrates and ammonia, and if they go, they can easily take the fish with them (Which would concern me if I were you because it looks like a lot of money has gone into the livestock of your nano). Just for future consideration, once again assuming this IS a real thread wanting REAL advice: Most people that have something like a 12 gallon nano usually only keep inverts and one fish out of concern that nitrates, nitrites, and ammonia will cause a crash if the bioload is too heavy. Sometimes I have seen two fish in a 12 gallon nano, but 2 is the max I have ever seen or heard of, and when I do see 2 fish in a 12 gallon nano, usually it is a small occ. clownfish with a smaller goby (like a clown goby....not a manderian). What you should be thnking about if you want to keep a reef in a nano is the biolad in the tank and balancing the bioload so it does not cause your tank to crash. I would imagine that right now, your tank is hanging on by a thread. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you will soon and I'm sure you won't set foot in that cruddy LFS again.....once again, assuming this is a real thread. Sniff sniff.......what the heck is that awful troll smell? __________________ 220g: French Angel, Emperor Angel, Passer Anger, Blue Tang, Yellow Tang, Snowflake Moray Eel, Lunar Wrasse Current Tank Info: 220 with T5HO lighting. ETSS skimmer.

09/04/2007, 12:20 PM	#22
steri Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aurora, IL. Posts: 2,361	Ok, I've read some of yourother posts. I am starting to think this is a genuine post guys and this guy needs HELP, but man, if you have only had your tank up for one month, and you have all those coral and fish in there (that have all been added in one month which is about the time it takes any tank to fully cycle), you are in for MASSIVE problems within a week or 2. The best advice you can hear right now is SSSSLLLLOOOOWWWW DDDDOOOOWWWWNNNN!!!! If you don't want to look at it from the "it's not good for the animals perspective" that's fine, but look at it from the "it's not good for my wallet" perspective. You are about to kill everything, which means all the money you have spent on corals and fish are about to go down the drain. Adding that much fish and coral to any tank, even 125 gallon tanks, is way too much to be adding in one month. I know this hobby is VERY exciting in the beginning, but that is when it's most important to take things slow. Please, for the sake of the money that I'm sure you don't want to see ****ed away, find a new home for 3 of the 4 fish you have or take them back to the LFS. Even then you will have to cross your fingers, but at least then you will have a better chance to save some of the money you have spent. If you keep all the fish in there for much longer, your entire tank WILL die. That's not a threat, it is a promise, especially knowing that all of that livestock has been aded to a one month old tank. Good luck. __________________ 220g: French Angel, Emperor Angel, Passer Anger, Blue Tang, Yellow Tang, Snowflake Moray Eel, Lunar Wrasse Current Tank Info: 220 with T5HO lighting. ETSS skimmer.

09/04/2007, 08:43 PM	#23
chuppy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Penang, Malaysia Posts: 269	Ok guys here's the thing... I have always been a Freshwater Planted guy... for 3 years i suppose... I'm sort of new to salt water set-up .. like steri said, my tank is now 6 weeks old now.... Yes it is true i sort of screwed up my tank in a way... this is what I'm planning to do... Return these livestock to the LFS: african clown tomato clown regal tang Obtaining: another common clown that's all... What I won't do: return any of my corals kill them off(of course) Buy a mandarin Buy a neon goby Buy any more corals...( i have a total of 12 already.. that is already too much a nyways) Well this is my plan to do. My fishes ain't the priority now.. Im choosing all my corals over my fishes now Priority is on the corals I'm having.. will doing this be better for the tank overall?? come on guys.. im a noob . Advices are greatly appreciated... not painful criticism (Im' not a phony T.T) P.S. nothing is trollish here... I'm changing my sources of marine LFS now thank you very much.

09/04/2007, 09:23 PM	#24
mangus7175 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 621	As a note since you mentioned that you will be focusing on corals keep in mind the lighting you are planning to setup. Depending on the light you have will dictate what corals you can keep. PM me and I can send over some links for good reading regarding starting out in this hobby... Here's one that I read before I purchased my first tank. http://reefcentral.com/modules.php?s...showpage&pid=1 Good luck __________________ "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore" - Andre Gide Current Tank Info: 24G Nanocube and 6G Nanocube...

09/04/2007, 09:30 PM	#25
rcerulli Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 246	Another problem you will find is that corals are WAY more sensitive to poor water problems then fish.