Critique my Sump System Design.........

Coolguy818 · 10/06/2007, 12:28 PM

Here it is.... I am going to be adding the 18g Fuge the existing system. And plumbing in a 30g Frag Tank.....

Please any and all opinions are wanted.......

poppin_fresh · 10/06/2007, 06:39 PM

If I read it correct, I dont really like it.

I think you are taking a gamble with that many pumps moving water around the tanks. If that Rio in the 'fuge fails, the pump in the frag tank will continue to pump water...hello flood. I also think balancing the flow of all those pumps will be a nightmare. Not to mention that all those pumps are going to be a constant irritation to the electric bill.

yellowwatchmen · 10/06/2007, 06:55 PM

I dont like it. But also i cant really follow it.

Coolguy818 · 10/06/2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by poppin_fresh
If I read it correct, I dont really like it.

I think you are taking a gamble with that many pumps moving water around the tanks. If that Rio in the 'fuge fails, the pump in the frag tank will continue to pump water...hello flood. I also think balancing the flow of all those pumps will be a nightmare. Not to mention that all those pumps are going to be a constant irritation to the electric bill.

I totally see what you are saying. What if I got rid of the Rio and directly plumbed the small fuge and the Sump together with bulk-heads and PVC.

Then I wouldn't need the pump at all.

I was also think about not connecting the smaller fuge at all. I can just have the Frag Tank overflow into the Sump. But on the other hand i'm not trying to increase flow in the Refugium.

The Frag Tank overflow is rated for 800gph. And the DT overflow is rated for 1000gph.

Any suggestions?

Hop · 10/06/2007, 10:47 PM

I think that if you thought it through, you could do it all via gravity and only need one return pump. I wouldn't put the po4 reactor(s) on the fuge, move them to the sump. And the UV should feed the skimmer compartment, not another fuge, otherwise the dead matter will just land on the bottom, rather than collected and removed by the skimmer. In all actuality, it's more complex than it needs to be and I don't see the benefit of an extra 18 gallon fuge, other than another place for crud to collect and force the system to process it.

The easiest setup would be a 30 gallon sump and a single 18 gallon fuge IMO.

ClayWagner · 10/06/2007, 10:50 PM

You took a lot of time thinking about this didn't you

Coolguy818 · 10/07/2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by Hop
I think that if you thought it through, you could do it all via gravity and only need one return pump. I wouldn't put the po4 reactor(s) on the fuge, move them to the sump. And the UV should feed the skimmer compartment, not another fuge, otherwise the dead matter will just land on the bottom, rather than collected and removed by the skimmer. In all actuality, it's more complex than it needs to be and I don't see the benefit of an extra 18 gallon fuge, other than another place for crud to collect and force the system to process it.

The easiest setup would be a 30 gallon sump and a single 18 gallon fuge IMO.

Actually on the current setup the PO4 reactor is in the sump. And the UV does feed the refugium.

So I should have the UV Sterilizer feed the Skimmer compartment? That's where it feeds from. I can move the output of the UV to feed the Skimmer compartment.

If you suggesting one return.... how would I feed the Frag Tank?

Coolguy818 · 10/07/2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by ClayWagner
You took a lot of time thinking about this didn't you

Ohhh yeah... trying to find an excuse to add another sump/fuge.

Also it was fun drawing it out.

Hop · 10/07/2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Coolguy818
Actually on the current setup the PO4 reactor is in the sump. And the UV does feed the refugium.

So I should have the UV Sterilizer feed the Skimmer compartment? That's where it feeds from. I can move the output of the UV to feed the Skimmer compartment.

If you suggesting one return.... how would I feed the Frag Tank?

I would move the UV, as I mentioned it allows the skimmer a chance to remove the dead stuff before it lands in a place where the tank is forced to process it.

I didn't see a picture of the frag tank, so I didn't know how it fit into the system. You could T off you main return, or run a smaller pump for the frag tank.

Bebo77 · 10/07/2007, 12:32 AM

why so many tanks?

Coolguy818 · 10/07/2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Bebo77
why so many tanks?

Why not?

monkeydude · 10/07/2007, 09:51 AM

too complex for what you are trying to do. Can be done easier. Check a few old threads here

10/06/2007, 12:28 PM	#1
Coolguy818 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 127	Critique my Sump System Design......... Here it is.... I am going to be adding the 18g Fuge the existing system. And plumbing in a 30g Frag Tank..... Please any and all opinions are wanted....... __________________ Click on the red house to see my tank!!! Current Tank Info: 70g, dual sump setup, ASM G2 Skimmer(Mesh Mod), UV Sterilizer, Phosphate Reactor (Rowa-Phos), 2x250w MH SE Reeflux 10k, Coralvue Ballasts, 2x39w T5 HO Actinic, Seio Controller, 2 Seio M1500 + 2 MJ 1200 + 1300gph Return = 70x turnover!!!

10/06/2007, 06:39 PM	#2
poppin_fresh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,982	If I read it correct, I dont really like it. I think you are taking a gamble with that many pumps moving water around the tanks. If that Rio in the 'fuge fails, the pump in the frag tank will continue to pump water...hello flood. I also think balancing the flow of all those pumps will be a nightmare. Not to mention that all those pumps are going to be a constant irritation to the electric bill. __________________ PBITAWA! Current Tank Info: None now. Past- 180g w/ 100g basement sump and 20g 'fuge. H & S skimmer, T'5s & Tunze

10/06/2007, 10:47 PM	#5
Hop Carpe Noctem!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 8,548	I think that if you thought it through, you could do it all via gravity and only need one return pump. I wouldn't put the po4 reactor(s) on the fuge, move them to the sump. And the UV should feed the skimmer compartment, not another fuge, otherwise the dead matter will just land on the bottom, rather than collected and removed by the skimmer. In all actuality, it's more complex than it needs to be and I don't see the benefit of an extra 18 gallon fuge, other than another place for crud to collect and force the system to process it. The easiest setup would be a 30 gallon sump and a single 18 gallon fuge IMO. __________________ Hop Current Tank Info: 300-gallon in-wall system (mixed reef)

10/06/2007, 10:50 PM	#6
ClayWagner Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 304	You took a lot of time thinking about this didn't you __________________ What kind of bee's make the best milk? ....BOO-BEES!

10/07/2007, 12:32 AM	#10
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	why so many tanks? __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

10/06/2007, 06:55 PM	#3
yellowwatchmen Moved On Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bellevue,NE Posts: 1,058	I dont like it. But also i cant really follow it.

10/07/2007, 09:51 AM	#12
monkeydude Moved On Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LKN Posts: 101	too complex for what you are trying to do. Can be done easier. Check a few old threads here