Alkalinity to high???

Floppy Mc Flops · 11/13/2007, 04:42 PM

In the two reef tanks I am currently taking care of the Alkalinity readings are coming up really high. Is this necesarilly bad? Will it inhibit coral growth? My DKH is 12.8 in one tank and 15.2 in the other!
I have been using "2 little fishies" 2 part calcium additive and the calcium levels are still not where I want them (mid to high 300's) but the Alkalinity just keeps raising. Any advice would be appreciated.
-Thanks

twon8 · 11/13/2007, 05:05 PM

test your magnesium, and stop adding the alk part, just add the calcium

Craig Lambert · 11/13/2007, 05:06 PM

Those Alkalinity levels will drop on their own if you stop dosing the alkalinity portion of the two part solution. If you are unable to raise your calcium higher than 370-390, my bet is that you have low magnesium. Low magnesium will make it difficult or impossible to raise your calcium any higher. If you are using IO salt, you most likely have low magnsium. It usually tests around 1170. It should be around 1300.

What ALK test kit are you using? The reason I ask is that there a number of Salifert alkalinity kits that people have received over the past 3 months that are innacurate. They read dKH 2 to 3 points higher than they actually are.

Floppy Mc Flops · 11/14/2007, 01:32 PM

Thanks for the response!
Yeah I have been using a Salifert Alk test. I just received it a couple days ago from an online store. I use Oceanic Sea Salt, which it says "Contains High levels of Magnesium".

But Im not sure if this is enough, I have never measured the levels.
Is it possible to achieve and maintain Calcium ratings in the 400-450 range with only a two part calcium additive (no Kalkwasser) if I have the proper level of Magnesium??

Does any one know which part of the 2 little fishies two part is the Calcium and which is the Alk? A or B?

Lordhelmet · 11/14/2007, 02:31 PM

hey matt. I'm not sure which part is the cal and alk. i would hold off. I am running into the same problem right now with my cal reactor and my alk is always around 15-16 level and cal was at 410. It was starting to burn my sps a little so i turned the reactor way down.

and you can maintain cal and alk with a 2 part solution with or without kalk. you should just test on a regular basis.

reef1973 · 11/14/2007, 03:41 PM

12.8 is ok but 15.2 is a little high. lol

IndyReefMan · 11/14/2007, 05:41 PM

I would get a different Alkalinity test kit to double check before you do anything. The quality of those Salifert kits is questionable.

mg426 · 11/14/2007, 06:50 PM

If you have a PH probe and you place it in a glass containing Part A or B and it goes up to say 10 or so you have found the ALK part.

luke33 · 11/14/2007, 07:55 PM

My alk stays around 10-11dkh at all times without dosing. I only use the calc part fwiw.

ryan_paskadi · 11/14/2007, 08:16 PM

I have read that some reefs in the wild experience alk as high as 18. Basically high alk is not a real big issue but you should shoot for lower.

dendro982 · 11/15/2007, 06:43 AM

In case of problems, you can do more water changes with water, having lower alkalinity. In my case it was Kent salt mix, as opposed to IO and Red Sea.

Aquatic Noggin · 11/15/2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Floppy Mc Flops

Does any one know which part of the 2 little fishies two part is the Calcium and which is the Alk? A or B?

Should say on the bottles which one is which. I believe the A bottle is calc.

digitaldego77 · 11/15/2007, 10:47 AM

I use a different 2 part, but it is obvious which is the alk becuse it clouds the water. It is also the first additive you add. Hope that helps.

Floppy Mc Flops · 11/15/2007, 11:31 AM

Thanks for the reponses!

Does anyone have any experience with the Salifert Coral Calcium additive? Does it raise ALk along with calcium levels?

Has there ever been any Scientific reaserch done on the effects of high Alk on reef tanks? As to any detrimental effects?

11/13/2007, 04:42 PM	#1
Floppy Mc Flops Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 15	Alkalinity to high??? In the two reef tanks I am currently taking care of the Alkalinity readings are coming up really high. Is this necesarilly bad? Will it inhibit coral growth? My DKH is 12.8 in one tank and 15.2 in the other! I have been using "2 little fishies" 2 part calcium additive and the calcium levels are still not where I want them (mid to high 300's) but the Alkalinity just keeps raising. Any advice would be appreciated. -Thanks

11/13/2007, 05:05 PM	#2
twon8 Formally registered membe Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: slightly sw of richmond, va Posts: 5,920	test your magnesium, and stop adding the alk part, just add the calcium __________________ Anthony Richmond Reef Club "and as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention." Not building a wall but making a brick Current Tank Info: 300g DD display, 60g frag tank

11/13/2007, 05:06 PM	#3
Craig Lambert Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,897	Those Alkalinity levels will drop on their own if you stop dosing the alkalinity portion of the two part solution. If you are unable to raise your calcium higher than 370-390, my bet is that you have low magnesium. Low magnesium will make it difficult or impossible to raise your calcium any higher. If you are using IO salt, you most likely have low magnsium. It usually tests around 1170. It should be around 1300. What ALK test kit are you using? The reason I ask is that there a number of Salifert alkalinity kits that people have received over the past 3 months that are innacurate. They read dKH 2 to 3 points higher than they actually are. __________________ "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will spend all day in a boat drinking beer." Current Tank Info: 75G Tank, 29G Sump, 100lbs LR, AquaC EV-180, Iwaki MD-20RT return Tunze nano streams 4X54 t-5/Icecap Ballast & SLR's 2x110 vho actinic

11/14/2007, 02:31 PM	#5
Lordhelmet Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,008	hey matt. I'm not sure which part is the cal and alk. i would hold off. I am running into the same problem right now with my cal reactor and my alk is always around 15-16 level and cal was at 410. It was starting to burn my sps a little so i turned the reactor way down. and you can maintain cal and alk with a 2 part solution with or without kalk. you should just test on a regular basis. __________________ I need a new signiture Current Tank Info: 90 gallon, 14 gallon

11/14/2007, 06:50 PM	#8
mg426 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: maryland Posts: 6,923	If you have a PH probe and you place it in a glass containing Part A or B and it goes up to say 10 or so you have found the ALK part. __________________ I found a way to make a small fortune running a reef tank. Start with a large fortune. Unofficial President of the SEACLONE haters club Current Tank Info: 125 mixed reef 110 lbs LR, 1x250watt XM 20K MH 2x175watt XM 20K MH on Magetics 2X96 watt actinic PC, 220 watt VHO actinic, 30 gallon refugium, closed loop system powered by Sequence Dart MSX 200 skimmer 38 gallon sump, Oceansmotions squirt

11/14/2007, 01:32 PM	#4
Floppy Mc Flops Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 15	Thanks for the response! Yeah I have been using a Salifert Alk test. I just received it a couple days ago from an online store. I use Oceanic Sea Salt, which it says "Contains High levels of Magnesium". But Im not sure if this is enough, I have never measured the levels. Is it possible to achieve and maintain Calcium ratings in the 400-450 range with only a two part calcium additive (no Kalkwasser) if I have the proper level of Magnesium?? Does any one know which part of the 2 little fishies two part is the Calcium and which is the Alk? A or B?

11/14/2007, 03:41 PM	#6
reef1973 Moved On Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 53	12.8 is ok but 15.2 is a little high. lol

11/14/2007, 05:41 PM	#7
IndyReefMan Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 477	I would get a different Alkalinity test kit to double check before you do anything. The quality of those Salifert kits is questionable.

11/14/2007, 07:55 PM	#9
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	My alk stays around 10-11dkh at all times without dosing. I only use the calc part fwiw.

11/14/2007, 08:16 PM	#10
ryan_paskadi Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: las cruces, nm Posts: 870	I have read that some reefs in the wild experience alk as high as 18. Basically high alk is not a real big issue but you should shoot for lower.

11/15/2007, 06:43 AM	#11
dendro982 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,963	In case of problems, you can do more water changes with water, having lower alkalinity. In my case it was Kent salt mix, as opposed to IO and Red Sea.

11/15/2007, 10:47 AM	#13
digitaldego77 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 561	I use a different 2 part, but it is obvious which is the alk becuse it clouds the water. It is also the first additive you add. Hope that helps. __________________ "If it's yella, you got juice there fella. If it's brown, you're in cider town." -Ned Flanders Current Tank Info: (2) 20L mixed reef

11/15/2007, 11:31 AM	#14
Floppy Mc Flops Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 15	Thanks for the reponses! Does anyone have any experience with the Salifert Coral Calcium additive? Does it raise ALk along with calcium levels? Has there ever been any Scientific reaserch done on the effects of high Alk on reef tanks? As to any detrimental effects?