help me choose a return pump!!!!

rammin28 · 01/05/2008, 07:10 PM

I am setting up my first reef tank. It is a 180 rr. I have a 58 gallon sump and a 29 gallon refugium. The fuge will be gravity feed back to sump. I have been looking at the Mag 18, oceanrunner 6500 and the panworld 100xx. I have a budget on this. I cant decide if I should go external or internal. I can do either. I feel safer with the internal but that is me being a newb. I will have about 5 feet of head pressure, 3 90s. It will be feeding 2 1" returns. My drains are 1.5 bulkhead with 1" dursos.

Another question is should I tee off and valve a line to the fuge or use a separate pump. The fuge will have about 3 90s and be going to a 1" bulkhead.

Anyone that could help me I would greatly appreciate it. Please chime in if you have experience with these pumps, or any others that are good with same flow>

The Floodinator · 01/05/2008, 07:15 PM

I had a Mag 18 on a 110 pushing @ 8' of head and going through a SCWD. I sure would have liked more flow. I would get a bigger pump than you think you need, you can always plumb a bypass.
As for the 'fuge, I'd use a seperate pump, or T off of one of the drains to feed the 'fuge.

rammin28 · 01/05/2008, 07:58 PM

thanks flood. I only have pump around 4-5 of head and no scwd. I am only going for around 5x turnover with the return.

The Floodinator · 01/05/2008, 08:01 PM

Make sure you use the "Head Loss Calculator" on the homepage. It's a real neat tool.

Avi · 01/05/2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by rammin28
I cant decide if I should go external or internal. I can do either.

plumbing it outside is preferable, IMO, for a number of reasons, not least of which is that there's far less heat transfer from the pump to the system's water. There are other reasons to consider plumbing it outside, like making more room available in the sump, etc. but in any event, don't be put off by doing it...Once you take on the "project" it'll turn out to be far easier than you had imagined.

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Originally posted by rammin28
I will have about 5 feet of head pressure, 3 90s. It will be feeding 2 1" returns. My drains are 1.5 bulkhead with 1" dursos.

Use this.....

http://www.reefcentral.com/calc/hlc2.php

Punch in all the relevant details and it'll help you fine-tune on your choice of water pump.

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Originally posted by rammin28
Another question is should I tee off and valve a line to the fuge or use a separate pump. The fuge will have about 3 90s and be going to a 1" bulkhead.

I'd consider using a separate pump for the separate refugium. Make sure that in your plans, you will have enough room in the sump and in the separate refugium that you plan for the water from the main tank that will drain down when the return pump or pumps are go off for any reason. That is, they should operate with a maximum water level that will permit the drain-back to fit into them without overflowing and causing a flood.

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Originally posted by rammin28
Anyone that could help me I would greatly appreciate it. Please chime in if you have experience with these pumps, or any others that are good with same flow>

The only one of those that I have any experience with is the Mag, though I never have used a Mag 18. I have used other Mags fairly extensively and I find them to be reliable and silent, though, admitedly, there are many people that complain that theirs are noisy. I wonder why I've never had that problem with any of those that I've used and still use now...for a good number of years.

The Floodinator · 01/05/2008, 08:18 PM

Never had it happen to me but I have heard Mag pumps leak alot. Brother had one that leaked. Always used mine internal.
FWI, I now have a Hammer Head (external

)and love it.

rammin28 · 01/05/2008, 10:06 PM

you use a hammerhead for return on a 110? Thats is a ton of flow through your sump. I am looking for about 5x turnover.

MR PALM BEACH · 01/05/2008, 10:22 PM

I was using a O.S 6500 on my 90 for awhile, nice pump can be used Internal or external and low on wattage. Other than filling my filter sock up in about 3 days It did Its job with a massive turn over rate. Needless to say I down graded my pump and changing my sock once every 2 weeks now.

ThaNgBOm321 · 01/05/2008, 10:51 PM

i had a or 2500 on a 90 gal but and it was awsome... great pump.. my 1st choice if i where to get a in sump return.. for a external i would do a panword, thats what i currently have on my tank... best external pump i used yet

YgGyz

rammin28 · 01/06/2008, 11:15 AM

which panworld pum do you use

rammin28 · 01/06/2008, 05:49 PM

Which Panworld pump would everyone suggest?

ThaNgBOm321 · 01/06/2008, 06:18 PM

pxx 50.. the 90 watt one...

check out the article Melev wrote for this month.. good stuff...

YzGyz

rammin28 · 01/06/2008, 08:55 PM

where is this article at?

rammin28 · 01/06/2008, 09:50 PM

Well I guess I am going with the pan world 50 xx for those who have read. Thanks for the input.

01/05/2008, 07:10 PM	#1
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	help me choose a return pump!!!! I am setting up my first reef tank. It is a 180 rr. I have a 58 gallon sump and a 29 gallon refugium. The fuge will be gravity feed back to sump. I have been looking at the Mag 18, oceanrunner 6500 and the panworld 100xx. I have a budget on this. I cant decide if I should go external or internal. I can do either. I feel safer with the internal but that is me being a newb. I will have about 5 feet of head pressure, 3 90s. It will be feeding 2 1" returns. My drains are 1.5 bulkhead with 1" dursos. Another question is should I tee off and valve a line to the fuge or use a separate pump. The fuge will have about 3 90s and be going to a 1" bulkhead. Anyone that could help me I would greatly appreciate it. Please chime in if you have experience with these pumps, or any others that are good with same flow>

01/05/2008, 07:15 PM	#2
The Floodinator Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Outside looking In Posts: 119	I had a Mag 18 on a 110 pushing @ 8' of head and going through a SCWD. I sure would have liked more flow. I would get a bigger pump than you think you need, you can always plumb a bypass. As for the 'fuge, I'd use a seperate pump, or T off of one of the drains to feed the 'fuge. __________________ "Quid Me Anxius Sum?" -Lemmy Current Tank Info: 110 & 35 gal. display tanks sharing a 4 tank, 120 gal. sump/fuge system type thing in the basement. Oh yeah, there's a 55 gal. FW too, forgot about that one.

01/05/2008, 08:01 PM	#4
The Floodinator Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Outside looking In Posts: 119	Make sure you use the "Head Loss Calculator" on the homepage. It's a real neat tool. __________________ "Quid Me Anxius Sum?" -Lemmy Current Tank Info: 110 & 35 gal. display tanks sharing a 4 tank, 120 gal. sump/fuge system type thing in the basement. Oh yeah, there's a 55 gal. FW too, forgot about that one.

01/05/2008, 08:18 PM	#6
The Floodinator Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Outside looking In Posts: 119	Never had it happen to me but I have heard Mag pumps leak alot. Brother had one that leaked. Always used mine internal. FWI, I now have a Hammer Head (external )and love it. __________________ "Quid Me Anxius Sum?" -Lemmy Current Tank Info: 110 & 35 gal. display tanks sharing a 4 tank, 120 gal. sump/fuge system type thing in the basement. Oh yeah, there's a 55 gal. FW too, forgot about that one.

01/05/2008, 10:22 PM	#8
MR PALM BEACH Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jupiter, Fl Posts: 802	I was using a O.S 6500 on my 90 for awhile, nice pump can be used Internal or external and low on wattage. Other than filling my filter sock up in about 3 days It did Its job with a massive turn over rate. Needless to say I down graded my pump and changing my sock once every 2 weeks now. __________________ And I thought buying an puppy would be to expensive! Current Tank Info: 23" LCD with Windows Aquarium screen saver.

01/05/2008, 07:58 PM	#3
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	thanks flood. I only have pump around 4-5 of head and no scwd. I am only going for around 5x turnover with the return.

01/05/2008, 10:06 PM	#7
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	you use a hammerhead for return on a 110? Thats is a ton of flow through your sump. I am looking for about 5x turnover.

01/05/2008, 10:51 PM	#9
ThaNgBOm321 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tx, houston Posts: 792	i had a or 2500 on a 90 gal but and it was awsome... great pump.. my 1st choice if i where to get a in sump return.. for a external i would do a panword, thats what i currently have on my tank... best external pump i used yet YgGyz __________________ YzGyz = Wise Guys ohhh and cows go MOOO!!! 2nd best way is to learn from ones own mistakes but the best way to learn is from others... thx to Randy and so many other for making reefing that much easier

01/06/2008, 11:15 AM	#10
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	which panworld pum do you use

01/06/2008, 05:49 PM	#11
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	Which Panworld pump would everyone suggest?

01/06/2008, 06:18 PM	#12
ThaNgBOm321 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tx, houston Posts: 792	pxx 50.. the 90 watt one... check out the article Melev wrote for this month.. good stuff... YzGyz __________________ YzGyz = Wise Guys ohhh and cows go MOOO!!! 2nd best way is to learn from ones own mistakes but the best way to learn is from others... thx to Randy and so many other for making reefing that much easier

01/06/2008, 08:55 PM	#13
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	where is this article at?

01/06/2008, 09:50 PM	#14
rammin28 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 25	Well I guess I am going with the pan world 50 xx for those who have read. Thanks for the input.