A myth about pods?

JimKelly12203 · 02/20/2008, 01:54 AM

Ok, so honestly... I'm sick of speculating on this and i never seem to get a straight answer.

many people suggest that before one purchase a dragonette (or other pod-dependant predator) they first establish a refugium breeding ground for this food source.

Do pods really make it through return pumps from refugiums located below main display tanks?

I ask because i've seen quite a few tank builds that have a fuge which drains (via gravity) into the DT from above. This is not an option for me. Having a stable and vibrant refugium located below my tank is.

Will copepod larvae, adults or otherwise really survive the trip through my sump return pump? Or should i plan my aquascape such that massively unaccessible area's exist in the middle of my rock structure?

My guess is both (plan for unaccessable areas and bank on pods surviving the trip through the fuge return pump). However, i'm really curious about this. I seem to hear that they do make the trip but also that they don't.

mrme · 02/20/2008, 02:02 AM

just grow some cheatomorpha, either in the display or sump.
As long as you have sufficient live rock, there will be plenty of places for pod production.
The best place for pods to breed though is in plants.
Try to get plants that grow in clumps, such as Cheatomorpha, or Fachea sp.

JimKelly12203 · 02/20/2008, 02:05 AM

I have felt this way myself through my fairly exaustive research.

When i do add a dragonette, it will only be after i have seen (literally) insane pod spawnage first.

You are suggesting that when i do see that, the dragonnette will be fine? Again, this has always been my assumption. I have friends with dragon's that have lived for years, but it really is important to me that said dragon doesn't find itself out of live food EVER!

I can wait. but can a 90G system sustain such a fish on live food if the sump return pump is, indeed, fatal to pods?

swsmr · 02/20/2008, 02:08 AM

I totally agree, pods larvae will find there way to the main tank some will become coral food and some will hide in the rocks and grow , also if you take out the marcoalgae and shack it in the water in release the large pods to feed your fish

JimKelly12203 · 02/20/2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by swsmr
I also if you take out the marcoalgae and shack it in the water in release the large pods to feed your fish

AMAZING advice. Thank you! I guarantee you i'll be doing this.

whether it is needed or not.

xenon · 02/20/2008, 02:39 AM

You can also get the type of cheato that tangs love to eat.

It sure beats throwing 1/2 of it away once it gets too big.

swsmr · 02/20/2008, 02:44 AM

also there is a guy on ebay selling live pods, 1000 for $17 i think this give your refugium a great boost and you have the fish you want in days instead of waiting weeks

http://cgi.ebay.com/1000-pods-LIVE-F...QQcmdZViewItem

mixed_reefer · 02/20/2008, 04:23 AM

Holy cow look at their 15000g saltwater "pool"!!!

I need me one of those, think of all the tangs i could keep!

melev · 02/20/2008, 04:35 AM

Yes, pods will survive the trip through your pumps.

I was once pumping water out of my sump into a nearby barrel, and used a Rio 2100 with a borg-like impellar. That thing should destroy anything it touches. However, I had a number of baby brittle starfish go through completely unaffected and undamaged. If starfish that have a footprint that easily spans a quarter can make it through, then I guaranty that any dot-sized copepods will make it safely to your display tank.

And then your mandarin can devour it.

skinnyjoe1976 · 02/20/2008, 05:41 AM

i agree that pods can make it. i breed them in a 55 gallon with just hangon filters. i raise AMPHIPODS like the guy does on ebay and all four of the filters are covered with them. they imbead themselves into the filter material. hope this helps. btw if you don't want to use algea i use bioballs for them hide out in then i just pull the balls out and shake them where i want them

Roy G. Biv · 02/20/2008, 07:41 AM

There was a thread not too long ago that someone posted that they banished a goby to the sump and the next day it was back in the tank apparently taking a ride up the return. If that could happen, I would guess pods could do it easily.

Roy G. Biv · 02/20/2008, 07:45 AM

Just found it.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...oby+AND+banish

02/20/2008, 01:54 AM	#1
JimKelly12203 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Albany Posts: 205	A myth about pods? Ok, so honestly... I'm sick of speculating on this and i never seem to get a straight answer. many people suggest that before one purchase a dragonette (or other pod-dependant predator) they first establish a refugium breeding ground for this food source. Do pods really make it through return pumps from refugiums located below main display tanks? I ask because i've seen quite a few tank builds that have a fuge which drains (via gravity) into the DT from above. This is not an option for me. Having a stable and vibrant refugium located below my tank is. Will copepod larvae, adults or otherwise really survive the trip through my sump return pump? Or should i plan my aquascape such that massively unaccessible area's exist in the middle of my rock structure? My guess is both (plan for unaccessable areas and bank on pods surviving the trip through the fuge return pump). However, i'm really curious about this. I seem to hear that they do make the trip but also that they don't.

02/20/2008, 05:41 AM	#10
skinnyjoe1976 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Titusville, Florida Posts: 1,238	i agree that pods can make it. i breed them in a 55 gallon with just hangon filters. i raise AMPHIPODS like the guy does on ebay and all four of the filters are covered with them. they imbead themselves into the filter material. hope this helps. btw if you don't want to use algea i use bioballs for them hide out in then i just pull the balls out and shake them where i want them __________________ Skinnyjoe Former: 2008/2009 ORCA Frag Director Current Tank Info: 20 gallon nano on steriods

02/20/2008, 02:02 AM	#2
mrme Moved On Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LA Posts: 465	just grow some cheatomorpha, either in the display or sump. As long as you have sufficient live rock, there will be plenty of places for pod production. The best place for pods to breed though is in plants. Try to get plants that grow in clumps, such as Cheatomorpha, or Fachea sp.

02/20/2008, 02:05 AM	#3
JimKelly12203 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Albany Posts: 205	I have felt this way myself through my fairly exaustive research. When i do add a dragonette, it will only be after i have seen (literally) insane pod spawnage first. You are suggesting that when i do see that, the dragonnette will be fine? Again, this has always been my assumption. I have friends with dragon's that have lived for years, but it really is important to me that said dragon doesn't find itself out of live food EVER! I can wait. but can a 90G system sustain such a fish on live food if the sump return pump is, indeed, fatal to pods?

02/20/2008, 02:08 AM	#4
swsmr Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA, 19440 USA Posts: 135	I totally agree, pods larvae will find there way to the main tank some will become coral food and some will hide in the rocks and grow , also if you take out the marcoalgae and shack it in the water in release the large pods to feed your fish

02/20/2008, 02:39 AM	#6
xenon Owner of Canada Corals Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mississauga, Canada Posts: 3,148	You can also get the type of cheato that tangs love to eat. It sure beats throwing 1/2 of it away once it gets too big.

02/20/2008, 02:44 AM	#7
swsmr Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA, 19440 USA Posts: 135	also there is a guy on ebay selling live pods, 1000 for $17 i think this give your refugium a great boost and you have the fish you want in days instead of waiting weeks http://cgi.ebay.com/1000-pods-LIVE-F...QQcmdZViewItem

02/20/2008, 04:23 AM	#8
mixed_reefer Moved On Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 516	Holy cow look at their 15000g saltwater "pool"!!! I need me one of those, think of all the tangs i could keep!

02/20/2008, 04:35 AM	#9
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Yes, pods will survive the trip through your pumps. I was once pumping water out of my sump into a nearby barrel, and used a Rio 2100 with a borg-like impellar. That thing should destroy anything it touches. However, I had a number of baby brittle starfish go through completely unaffected and undamaged. If starfish that have a footprint that easily spans a quarter can make it through, then I guaranty that any dot-sized copepods will make it safely to your display tank. And then your mandarin can devour it.

02/20/2008, 07:41 AM	#11
Roy G. Biv Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,646	There was a thread not too long ago that someone posted that they banished a goby to the sump and the next day it was back in the tank apparently taking a ride up the return. If that could happen, I would guess pods could do it easily.

02/20/2008, 07:45 AM	#12
Roy G. Biv Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,646	Just found it. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...oby+AND+banish