Precision Marine Reverse Flow Substrate Reactors?

Robgixxer · 03/23/2008, 09:27 PM

Anyone here ever use them? I was thinking of getting a few of them. One for carbon, one for phosphate, and one for nitrate filtration. and also if i were to do this would it be a good idea to pipe them together in series, or better to have each one stand alone? If i decided to do this and was gonna do them individually with seperate pumps, i was gonna program them on the aquacontroller to only come on as needed somehow if it is possible or just set them for like a couple of days a week. What are your thoughts on this process, pros, cons, or whatever the case maybe. Thanks guys....

Robgixxer · 03/23/2008, 09:34 PM

please help...... info would be greatly appreciated..

Robgixxer · 03/23/2008, 09:40 PM

Also they will be on a 150 gallon tank with 30 gallon sump. they make two sizes. should i use the smaller or larger or combination depending on the media used? and what size pumps should i use through each medias?

Robgixxer · 03/23/2008, 10:03 PM

how come i can never get anyone to respond in my threads? i get plenty of views just no help!

ddevlin · 03/24/2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by Robgixxer
how come i can never get anyone to respond in my threads? i get plenty of views just no help!

I don't think that many people are using them. I have been watching your thread to get info myself. I want to run ROWAphos on my 210 and I don't know if I need the 26" one or not. I have heard a lot of good things about the GEO media reactor. it cost a little more though.

mr. pluto · 03/24/2008, 10:56 AM

i have the taller one :

i have the 1046 for recirculation , the 1048 would be better imo.

hth

RCBrooke · 03/24/2008, 03:56 PM

I've been running mine for phosphate removal a while now. I stopped to try three of the other name brands, I'll skip saying which one's but just look at any online retailer for the major brands. I just started using it again ---

Much nicer than anything else in my opinion. I think It's got a reversed from normal seal as I keep tightening it when I'm trying to loosen it. Seals great and fluidizes at a pretty low flow . I use a MJ600. Be sure to use the foam filter for the feed pump as the foam in the bottom of the canister is a pain to clean.

I can run 2 cups of GFO for over a month with this set up.

Highly recommended.

Randy

RCBrooke · 03/24/2008, 03:58 PM

Mr. Pluto, are you running yours as a sulfur denitrater?

Randy.

Robgixxer · 03/24/2008, 09:53 PM

sweet! see i was trying to find out which way was best because i'm trying to build a new complete system. and i want to be able to service everything as easy as possible so i think i'm just gonna go with everything in it's own stand alone setup. 1 pump for each piece of equipment pretty much. that way if i have to do any work on a peticular section i don't have to mess with the others or shut them down....... does this make sense? I have a Mag 18 for the recirculation of the system, also inline with this is a 25watt gamma sterilzer. I also have a 8 watt gamma sterilizer from my old 55 gal. that i now use in its own close loop on the fuge. obviously the AquaC 180 is overdriven with a mag 9.5, The Korallin Calcium Reactor has it's own eheim. And the three precision marine canisters that i was gonna order were gonna just have their own individual mag 150 gph pumps on them.

mr. pluto · 03/24/2008, 10:26 PM

RCBrooke

Quote:

Mr. Pluto, are you running yours as a sulfur denitrater?

yes it was, but it did it's job so now it sits in the retired section
i do have the 2 little fishes reactors i am using for gfo but i really do not want to open this reactor to clean out the media quite yet.
it is really robust compared to the phosban ones though.

Robgixxer, would it be easier if you tried 1 pump with a shut off valve for ea. media reactor?

Robgixxer · 03/24/2008, 10:34 PM

cool. I'm just trying to get all the info i can. my last tank was mostly fish, with a sabae anemone, a condy, piece of brain coral and some hammer. nothing to wild. but this time i want to try to get into more of a reef type tank with some sps corals too

Psyire · 03/25/2008, 10:36 PM

Who sells these?

RCBrooke · 03/26/2008, 06:21 AM

Try their web site for seconds, dealers around the country, or online dealers. http://www.precisionmarine.com/html/dealer_locator.html .
Not all listed online dealers seem to actually have the reverse substate reactors.

Randy

Paul_PSU · 03/26/2008, 06:28 AM

You can run the carbon and the phosphate remover in a series on the same pump, but not the sulphur denitrator. You should keep everyone separate as you will change the carbon and phosphate out at different intervals. The denitrator has to have very slow water flow through it. I have two of the "phosban" reactors running together with Phosar in the first and carbon in the second before it empties back into the sump. I have a denitrator running on its own pump.

Here are the reverse flow reactors I have. best price:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=11586

Paul

Robgixxer · 03/31/2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul_PSU
You can run the carbon and the phosphate remover in a series on the same pump, but not the sulphur denitrator. You should keep everyone separate as you will change the carbon and phosphate out at different intervals. The denitrator has to have very slow water flow through it. I have two of the "phosban" reactors running together with Phosar in the first and carbon in the second before it empties back into the sump. I have a denitrator running on its own pump.

Here are the reverse flow reactors I have. best price:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=11586

Paul

ok so say i was running 3 of these bad boys, 1 for carbon, 1 for phosphates, and for for nitrates, what would be the correct size gph pumps to put on them as to not do it wong?

sjm817 · 04/01/2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Paul_PSU
I have two of the "phosban" reactors running together with Phosar in the first and carbon in the second before it empties back into the sump. [/url]

Paul

I think you would be better off with carbon 1st, then GFO.

RCBrooke · 04/01/2008, 01:36 PM

On my small size reactor I run a MJ600 with the MJ foam added on the intake. I get a month and a half before cleaning becomes necessary.

If I remember correctly the recommended flow is 150 gph.

Randy

Robgixxer · 04/03/2008, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RCBrooke
On my small size reactor I run a MJ600 with the MJ foam added on the intake. I get a month and a half before cleaning becomes necessary.

If I remember correctly the recommended flow is 150 gph.

Randy

cool thanks! i think i'm gonna give them a try. I'll do one first to see how i like it. now also one more question when i hook them up should i put the put in the sump section of he fuge and the return line go to the skimmer compartment or should i return it back to the same spot. or is this like a trial and error thing to see what i like or what works best? thanks for the help.

RCBrooke · 04/04/2008, 06:56 AM

Not sure on the best setup. I only had room to put the whole setup in the pump section of my sump.

Randy

Paul_PSU · 04/04/2008, 08:24 AM

150gph is way too fast for GFO. You just want to have the media tumbling in the reactor so it doesn't bind. 150 might be ok for carbon, but the GFO will break apart if the flow is too high. I have mine set for 40gph and have seen some that keep it at 20-30. I have mine hanging on the side of the sump. The feed pump is in the skimmer section and the reactors empty in the return section.

sjm817, I agree. I have to switch mine around when I change the media out next week.

RCBrooke · 04/04/2008, 01:40 PM

Can't say as I've noticed any breaking apart or the level in the reactor shrinking. Now on the AquaC XP reactor 150 gph did blow the top off and tumbled/spilled the GFO like crazy. I couldn't even use a MJ400 (about 100 gph) to power the AquaC without it leaking.

Randy

Robgixxer · 04/05/2008, 07:10 AM

hmm, ok i was thinking of getting some mag 1.5's to run these things. cuase it looks like they have adjustable flow controls. but if you say the phosphate one should be turned way down low i will try something smaller for that. i think that i am gonna try them setup the way i have the loop runnuing on my sterilizer. from the return sump back to the skimmer compartment, and see what happens.

03/23/2008, 09:27 PM	#1
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	Precision Marine Reverse Flow Substrate Reactors? Anyone here ever use them? I was thinking of getting a few of them. One for carbon, one for phosphate, and one for nitrate filtration. and also if i were to do this would it be a good idea to pipe them together in series, or better to have each one stand alone? If i decided to do this and was gonna do them individually with seperate pumps, i was gonna program them on the aquacontroller to only come on as needed somehow if it is possible or just set them for like a couple of days a week. What are your thoughts on this process, pros, cons, or whatever the case maybe. Thanks guys....

03/23/2008, 09:34 PM	#2
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	please help...... info would be greatly appreciated..

03/23/2008, 09:40 PM	#3
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	Also they will be on a 150 gallon tank with 30 gallon sump. they make two sizes. should i use the smaller or larger or combination depending on the media used? and what size pumps should i use through each medias?

03/23/2008, 10:03 PM	#4
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	how come i can never get anyone to respond in my threads? i get plenty of views just no help!

03/24/2008, 10:56 AM	#6
mr. pluto Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: bay area Posts: 1,191	i have the taller one : i have the 1046 for recirculation , the 1048 would be better imo. hth

03/24/2008, 03:56 PM	#7
RCBrooke Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lee Center, NY Posts: 211	I've been running mine for phosphate removal a while now. I stopped to try three of the other name brands, I'll skip saying which one's but just look at any online retailer for the major brands. I just started using it again --- Much nicer than anything else in my opinion. I think It's got a reversed from normal seal as I keep tightening it when I'm trying to loosen it. Seals great and fluidizes at a pretty low flow . I use a MJ600. Be sure to use the foam filter for the feed pump as the foam in the bottom of the canister is a pain to clean. I can run 2 cups of GFO for over a month with this set up. Highly recommended. Randy

03/24/2008, 03:58 PM	#8
RCBrooke Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lee Center, NY Posts: 211	Mr. Pluto, are you running yours as a sulfur denitrater? Randy.

03/24/2008, 09:53 PM	#9
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	sweet! see i was trying to find out which way was best because i'm trying to build a new complete system. and i want to be able to service everything as easy as possible so i think i'm just gonna go with everything in it's own stand alone setup. 1 pump for each piece of equipment pretty much. that way if i have to do any work on a peticular section i don't have to mess with the others or shut them down....... does this make sense? I have a Mag 18 for the recirculation of the system, also inline with this is a 25watt gamma sterilzer. I also have a 8 watt gamma sterilizer from my old 55 gal. that i now use in its own close loop on the fuge. obviously the AquaC 180 is overdriven with a mag 9.5, The Korallin Calcium Reactor has it's own eheim. And the three precision marine canisters that i was gonna order were gonna just have their own individual mag 150 gph pumps on them.

03/24/2008, 10:34 PM	#11
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	cool. I'm just trying to get all the info i can. my last tank was mostly fish, with a sabae anemone, a condy, piece of brain coral and some hammer. nothing to wild. but this time i want to try to get into more of a reef type tank with some sps corals too

03/25/2008, 10:36 PM	#12
Psyire Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,870	Who sells these?

03/26/2008, 06:21 AM	#13
RCBrooke Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lee Center, NY Posts: 211	Try their web site for seconds, dealers around the country, or online dealers. http://www.precisionmarine.com/html/dealer_locator.html . Not all listed online dealers seem to actually have the reverse substate reactors. Randy

03/26/2008, 06:28 AM	#14
Paul_PSU Moved On Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA. Posts: 1,512	You can run the carbon and the phosphate remover in a series on the same pump, but not the sulphur denitrator. You should keep everyone separate as you will change the carbon and phosphate out at different intervals. The denitrator has to have very slow water flow through it. I have two of the "phosban" reactors running together with Phosar in the first and carbon in the second before it empties back into the sump. I have a denitrator running on its own pump. Here are the reverse flow reactors I have. best price: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=11586 Paul

04/01/2008, 01:36 PM	#17
RCBrooke Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lee Center, NY Posts: 211	On my small size reactor I run a MJ600 with the MJ foam added on the intake. I get a month and a half before cleaning becomes necessary. If I remember correctly the recommended flow is 150 gph. Randy

04/04/2008, 06:56 AM	#19
RCBrooke Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lee Center, NY Posts: 211	Not sure on the best setup. I only had room to put the whole setup in the pump section of my sump. Randy

04/04/2008, 08:24 AM	#20
Paul_PSU Moved On Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA. Posts: 1,512	150gph is way too fast for GFO. You just want to have the media tumbling in the reactor so it doesn't bind. 150 might be ok for carbon, but the GFO will break apart if the flow is too high. I have mine set for 40gph and have seen some that keep it at 20-30. I have mine hanging on the side of the sump. The feed pump is in the skimmer section and the reactors empty in the return section. sjm817, I agree. I have to switch mine around when I change the media out next week.

04/04/2008, 01:40 PM	#21
RCBrooke Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lee Center, NY Posts: 211	Can't say as I've noticed any breaking apart or the level in the reactor shrinking. Now on the AquaC XP reactor 150 gph did blow the top off and tumbled/spilled the GFO like crazy. I couldn't even use a MJ400 (about 100 gph) to power the AquaC without it leaking. Randy

04/05/2008, 07:10 AM	#22
Robgixxer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Posts: 315	hmm, ok i was thinking of getting some mag 1.5's to run these things. cuase it looks like they have adjustable flow controls. but if you say the phosphate one should be turned way down low i will try something smaller for that. i think that i am gonna try them setup the way i have the loop runnuing on my sterilizer. from the return sump back to the skimmer compartment, and see what happens.