salinity

[screwsloose]

whats the safest level of salinity i can lower down to to take care of ich and still not affect inverts? i am aiming for around 1.018 or so. will that be enough?

[abulgin]

Originally posted by screwsloose
whats the safest level of salinity i can lower down to to take care of ich and still not affect inverts? i am aiming for around 1.018 or so. will that be enough?

Can't be done. To kill ich, you need to lower your specific gravity to 1.009. Inverts won't/can't handle this level. Anything higher, and you're wasting your time.

[screwsloose]

my only other option is to remove them and put them in my qt tank for a month. but this tank has been ised for coppersafe treatments in the past . is this going to kill them as well? and not having a clean up crew in the dt is going to let the algae go crazy wont it? what about my corals? will the lower salinity affect them ?

[Aquarist007]

Your qt tank will be fine for your fish. Removing your fish from the display tank might have a postive affect on it in that the ammonia nitrates and phosphates will be less which will kill off the algae

Here is a how to do it for hyposalinity threatment

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/tr...osalinity.html

BTW
your display tank has to remain fishless for 6 weeks to ensure the ich is gone from it

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by abulgin
Can't be done. To kill ich, you need to lower your specific gravity to 1.009. Inverts won't/can't handle this level. Anything higher, and you're wasting your time.

I agree and this method should not be done without the accuracey of a refractometer esp if you haven't done it before

[abulgin]

Originally posted by screwsloose
my only other option is to remove them and put them in my qt tank for a month. but this tank has been ised for coppersafe treatments in the past . is this going to kill them as well? and not having a clean up crew in the dt is going to let the algae go crazy wont it? what about my corals? will the lower salinity affect them ?

You can leave all your inverts--your corals, hermits, snails, etc.--in the display. It just has to be FISHless for 6 weeks (I have done it with a 4 week fallow period, but now that I know better I would do a 6 week).

[screwsloose]

ok one last question. i have used the ruby reef kick ich in the past and it has worked without damaging any corals in the tank. is there something wrong with using this product ?

[abulgin]

Yeah, it doesn't work--it's pepper sauce. What you experiences was likely the ich cycling off naturally and your fish surviving/building up an immunity against future outbreaks. You probably still have ich in the display, and any fish you add is at a high risk of contracting it because it won't have the acquired immunity. I would never, ever treat my display with any chemicals. Always use a hospital tank.

Although letting your display go fallow is a pain in the @ss, it will permanently rid your tank of ich. If you follow proper quarantine for all future purchases, you should never have to do it again.

[screwsloose]

k. unfortunately i will be removing rock and catching fish tonight, thanks for the help again.

[abulgin]

Make sure you keep your fish in the hospital tanks for 4 weeks after all signs of disease are gone. If you're going to treat with chemicals, research which fish tolerate which medicines. Some fish, like tangs and scaleless fish, don't tolerate copper very well, so the use of formalin dips coupled with daily siphoning of the tank bottom to suck up any of the trophonts (keep it bare) is the better way here. Even if you just use hyposalinity (as Cap'n said, don't do this unless you have a refractometer), it is a good idea to siphon the tank bottom every day.

[screwsloose]

heres my main problem with this. i have a pacific blue (reagal) tang, yellow tang, orange shoulder tang, sailfin tang, 2 golden maroon clowns, and one sand sifting goby of some sort i cannot find a pic of to save my life online. i have a 75 gallon tank setting empty that i can use but am afraid of aggression levels in this size tank. would i be better off doing the hyposalinity in the dt and moving the inverts to the 75 while this is going on? or will the treatment kill the corals?

[Playa-1]

Poor fishies

[screwsloose]

Originally posted by Playa-1
Poor fishies

sorry but i dont get that comment? was this simple sarcasm or true concern for the 75 gl with all those fish added?

[Playa-1]

I think you need a larger tank. Maybe you could invest in a proper size tank for the poor fishies.
Then maybe you can treat the proper way before you kill them all.

Do ya got it ?

Treat the fish in the separate tank. Leave the display without fish for 6 weeks or so. What size is the display?

[screwsloose]

Originally posted by Playa-1
I think you need a larger tank. Maybe you could invest in a proper size tank for the poor fishies.
Then maybe you can treat the proper way before you kill them all.

Do ya got it ?

at which point did you ever ask what size tank these fish are in? you should learn to ask instead of assuming anything especially before tyring to judge anyone. in the end it makes you out to look like a fool. got it.

now that it has been brought up. these fish are in a 250 gl tank which is big enough for the size they are. i also have a 300 gallon waiting to split them later. anyone with any valuable thought to add feel free to do so. anyone that runs their mouth without asking should think first.

[Playa-1]

You list your current tank as 75 gallons with 4 tangs. That makes you look like a fool in my eyes. Why should I have to play 20 questions with you to help your lame arse out ?

[screwsloose]

nice edit to add to your post. if you read before typing anything you would have seen that the 75 is empty and could be used as a qt tank. where does tank size affect salinity at all? the question i posted was since the stocking i have is more then a 75 can handle if i could remove the inverts and treat safely in the dt with hyposalinty without affecting the corals. the fact that you chose to jump to conclusions is your own ignorance. now if your done making an arse out of yourself i would like to get back on subject with others that have valuable posting capabilities.

[Playa-1]

I edited before your hillbilly response assuming that you didn't edit your information because your from arkansas.

[screwsloose]

Originally posted by Playa-1
I edited before your hillbilly response assuming that you didn't edit you information because your from arkansas.

dude really? get over yourself? you posted at 4:56 i responded at 5:01 . you edited at 5:05 . try again but like i said it just makes you look stupid at this point. if your going to make personal attacks you may want to find someone below your level to pick on. your outclassed here and like i said. i really have nothing further to say to you so this would be a good time for you to quit posting in the thread so i can get real advise from knowledgeable people. have a nice day

[MrRoo]

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[Playa-1]

I don't feel outclassed.

[Playa-1]

Poor fishies

[screwsloose]

ok so to get back on track. does the temp matter? i know in fresh water temp is raised to speed up the life cycle of ich. does the same concept apply or should it be kept in normal ranges?

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by screwsloose
ok so to get back on track. does the temp matter? i know in fresh water temp is raised to speed up the life cycle of ich. does the same concept apply or should it be kept in normal ranges?

the water should be the same temp as the display tank--actually you should use the water from your display tank for the qt

really you should have run an hob filter on your display tank for 3 or 4 days then transfered it to the qt tank so as to help with the production of ammonia
You can add a live rock or two from the display tank--it will lose some bacteria over the course of the treatment but gain it back once in the display tank

[screwsloose]

i have an emporer 400 that has been on the dt for two weeks now seeding and getting ready to go back on teh qt tank for qt'ing new corals and fish when i get them.