SkimClean for my BK -> nice new gadget

german_reef · 08/28/2008, 02:27 PM

Hi,

as it was already passionate discussed in some other threads I will introduce to you my brand new gadget! The SkimClean!

As I received it today I was very anxious about setting it up as soon as possible. The fact that it was almost dark in my room didn't stop me in unpacking it and in setting it up.

unpacking brand new toy:

The instructions manual is very well documented!

the cleaner in it's pieces:

mounted cleaning blade:

the BK SM250 prototype pot:

even it was cleaned two days ago a lot of mud is already back in the riser:

back on the skimmer:

making it clean:

I will see how the skimmate evolve over time with the SCH on-pot.

Enjoy!

One bad thing to mention.... it's to easy to get it work and the feeling to set it up will not last long!

shelburn61 · 08/28/2008, 02:33 PM

Interesting. Less expensive than the Deltec, BK models?

german_reef · 08/28/2008, 02:50 PM

it's the "BK" model but in Germany it is less expensive as in the US,

BTW. I like Charlotte a lot because a buddy of mine is living there.

GSMguy · 08/28/2008, 03:13 PM

nice

ClownReef® · 08/28/2008, 06:05 PM

Too bad they are more expensive that the skimmer..LOL..

I'd buy one if they were "buyable"..

Jim_S · 08/28/2008, 06:07 PM

Very cool. Just wish that they weren't so expensive over here in the states

ClownReef® · 08/28/2008, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ClownReefÂ®
Too bad they are more expensive than the skimmer..LOL..

I'd buy one if they were "buyable"..

Maximus · 08/29/2008, 03:39 PM

I can't figure out why self cleaning heads are so expensive? It's just a freaking motor!

MSHUR · 08/29/2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Maximus
I can't figure out why self cleaning heads are so expensive? It's just a freaking motor!

AGREE!!!!!!

german_reef · 08/30/2008, 07:51 AM

I know that the product is a "one man show" product. There is no big manufacturing behind the scene and everything is done by the company owner himself. This is quite time consuming and I do agree that I don't think that the material is most of the price. I assume that has more to do with the production costs. Furthermore is the SCH cheaper in Germany as it is in the US. Over here it is worth ~ $700,-

But I like it a lot!

GSMguy · 08/30/2008, 08:12 AM

i doubt that klauss builds every BK by hand, alone.

i dont think he even type all of his own posts on the boards it seems that he has assistance sometimes, he must have some help.

its expensive because it is desirable.

glassbox-design · 08/30/2008, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSMguy
i doubt that klauss builds every BK by hand, alone.

i dont think he even type all of his own posts on the boards it seems that he has assistance sometimes, he must have some help.

its expensive because it is desirable.

Klaus and RE did not design and do not make the SCH. It is done by Carsten P. of Aquadriver.

GSMguy · 08/30/2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by glassbox-design
Klaus and RE did not design and do not make the SCH. It is done by Carsten P. of Aquadriver.

so does BK not make a SCH at all? I thought thats what this was,oops. its a third party accessory only for BKs?

they should make them for other skimmers also

reefkoi · 08/30/2008, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by glassbox-design
Klaus and RE did not design and do not make the SCH. It is done by Carsten P. of Aquadriver.

ahhh...........that explains why there are instructions with it

german_reef · 08/30/2008, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSMguy
so does BK not make a SCH at all? I thought thats what this was,oops. its a third party accessory only for BKs?

they should make them for other skimmers also

YEP!

They are not just for BKs. They will fit on every skimmer which has the same diameter like 200mm 250mm

hahnmeister · 08/30/2008, 09:40 AM

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...4#post13158024

german_reef · 08/30/2008, 10:17 AM

and? it does not state more than this thread? what's your point?

hahnmeister · 08/30/2008, 10:35 AM

I was just adding the info from that thread to this one. It appears that although Aquadriver makes the units for the EU, Klaus has a deal to make all of the ones for the US and they are 'for BK's only'...

german_reef · 08/30/2008, 10:57 AM

OK, thanks Hahnmeister

But how do want make sure that you are going to buy it just for BK? If the diameter is the same you can use it wherever you want. Or are they going to sell this just to BK owners?

hahnmeister · 08/30/2008, 11:01 AM

You are thinking just like I was...

I think in that other thread, they are upset that I mentioned this because I think rather than try to market the SCH to every skimmer and try to sell as many Aquadrivers as possible, I think they want to use it to try to sell more BK's instead. That could explain why they are so expensive as well... they dont PLAN to sell as many with that marketing.

But yeah. I should be able to just buy the right size skimclean and strap it onto my ATB if I want.

GSMguy · 08/30/2008, 11:15 AM

ok thanks hahn.

i wonder though, What if the cleaning paddle is not as long as the neck of your skimmer? if they marketed at all skimmers they could sell different length paddles.

hopefully after a year or so aquadriver will market them to everybody at the same price as in Europe, they would sell much better at a fair price.

german_reef · 08/30/2008, 11:39 AM

But if this is a plan why are there different prices between EU and US? If this is the idea they would like to sell more BKs in the EU AND in the US. As a side note.. everybody is able to google the price or find the manufacturer and I don't think that this is the plan. Maybe they have not set a binding agreement for the price. Otherwise I am not able to explain the price difference between US and EU...?

But what do I know?!

wattsupdoc · 08/30/2008, 12:05 PM

Doesnt the SCH just dump the skimmate back into the column? As opposed to removing it? At least with it on the neck, you can remove it from the column..... Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like that just wipes and rinses it???

Maximus · 08/30/2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wattsupdoc
Doesnt the SCH just dump the skimmate back into the column? As opposed to removing it? At least with it on the neck, you can remove it from the column..... Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like that just wipes and rinses it???

You're correct. However, the whole point of the sch is to have a clean neck at all times. The clean neck will improve your skimmers efficiency and can drastically reduce maintenance, epecially if you have a drain on your skimmer.

Jim_S · 08/30/2008, 02:18 PM

Yeah, I thought the same thing whattsupdoc, then what Maximus just said was explained to me a while back. Think of it as an ongoing thing, so the neck is always clean. Its not as if it only comes on every couple days where it would be pushing a bunch of crud back down. It allows the skimmer to constantly skim so all the stuff that may wind up on the neck, really winds up in the cup.

German Reefer, I think the price is such just because they feel they CAN do it. Klaus has obviously spoken with Carsten P and the agreement is such that his SCH's can be sold in states for RE skimmers. That adds exclusivity to both the bubble king skimmers and Aquadriver, and as a result, they feel they can charge whatever they like. It also doesn't help that Deltec was charging ridiculous prices for their SCH as well. That kind of opens the doors for Proline and RE to say "well, the price is in line with other manufacturers in the states". Its unfortunate. Its a great product thats fallen under control of the wrong folks it seems.

Of course, they have the right to charge whatever they like. Its their business, and thats the great part about capitalism.

Carsten P should come up with his own distribution channel and sell them to whoever at reasonable prices. If Klaus and proline want to sell their BK labeled SCH's for top dollar, then cool. For all the other folks, they can buy one from Aquadriver

Its his product. Let him reap the benefits.

08/28/2008, 02:27 PM	#1
german_reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 42	SkimClean for my BK -> nice new gadget Hi, as it was already passionate discussed in some other threads I will introduce to you my brand new gadget! The SkimClean! As I received it today I was very anxious about setting it up as soon as possible. The fact that it was almost dark in my room didn't stop me in unpacking it and in setting it up. unpacking brand new toy: The instructions manual is very well documented! the cleaner in it's pieces: mounted cleaning blade: the BK SM250 prototype pot: even it was cleaned two days ago a lot of mud is already back in the riser: back on the skimmer: making it clean: I will see how the skimmate evolve over time with the SCH on-pot. Enjoy! One bad thing to mention.... it's to easy to get it work and the feeling to set it up will not last long! __________________ The Unspeakable Law: As soon as you mention something..... ...if it is good, it goes away, ...if it is bad, it happens. Current Tank Info: I couldn't bring it with me

08/28/2008, 02:50 PM	#3
german_reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 42	it's the "BK" model but in Germany it is less expensive as in the US, BTW. I like Charlotte a lot because a buddy of mine is living there. __________________ The Unspeakable Law: As soon as you mention something..... ...if it is good, it goes away, ...if it is bad, it happens. Current Tank Info: I couldn't bring it with me

08/28/2008, 03:13 PM	#4
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	nice __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

08/28/2008, 06:05 PM	#5
ClownReef® Bubbletrousing Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 1,872	Too bad they are more expensive that the skimmer..LOL.. I'd buy one if they were "buyable".. __________________ Waterbox Peninsula 5526 l Ecotech Radion XR30w G4 l Ecotech Vectra M1 l MP40QDW l Vertex Omega 180i l Tunze ATO l Apex Fusion l DOS l Trident l Ice Cap Scrubber

08/28/2008, 06:07 PM	#6
Jim_S Timo Boll Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,333	Very cool. Just wish that they weren't so expensive over here in the states __________________ We will survive in this world of competition, shooting guns and our ammunition... Bradley Nowell Current Tank Info: We're recreating the ocean in our livings rooms. With that said, I've had some ups and downs.

08/28/2008, 02:33 PM	#2
shelburn61 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Charlotte Posts: 2,094	Interesting. Less expensive than the Deltec, BK models?

08/29/2008, 03:39 PM	#8
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	I can't figure out why self cleaning heads are so expensive? It's just a freaking motor! __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

08/30/2008, 07:51 AM	#10
german_reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 42	I know that the product is a "one man show" product. There is no big manufacturing behind the scene and everything is done by the company owner himself. This is quite time consuming and I do agree that I don't think that the material is most of the price. I assume that has more to do with the production costs. Furthermore is the SCH cheaper in Germany as it is in the US. Over here it is worth ~ $700,- But I like it a lot! __________________ The Unspeakable Law: As soon as you mention something..... ...if it is good, it goes away, ...if it is bad, it happens. Current Tank Info: I couldn't bring it with me

08/30/2008, 08:12 AM	#11
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	i doubt that klauss builds every BK by hand, alone. i dont think he even type all of his own posts on the boards it seems that he has assistance sometimes, he must have some help. its expensive because it is desirable. __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

08/30/2008, 09:40 AM	#16
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...4#post13158024

08/30/2008, 10:17 AM	#17
german_reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 42	and? it does not state more than this thread? what's your point? __________________ The Unspeakable Law: As soon as you mention something..... ...if it is good, it goes away, ...if it is bad, it happens. Current Tank Info: I couldn't bring it with me Last edited by german_reef; 08/30/2008 at 10:22 AM.

08/30/2008, 10:35 AM	#18
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	I was just adding the info from that thread to this one. It appears that although Aquadriver makes the units for the EU, Klaus has a deal to make all of the ones for the US and they are 'for BK's only'...

08/30/2008, 10:57 AM	#19
german_reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 42	OK, thanks Hahnmeister But how do want make sure that you are going to buy it just for BK? If the diameter is the same you can use it wherever you want. Or are they going to sell this just to BK owners? __________________ The Unspeakable Law: As soon as you mention something..... ...if it is good, it goes away, ...if it is bad, it happens. Current Tank Info: I couldn't bring it with me Last edited by german_reef; 08/30/2008 at 11:33 AM.

08/30/2008, 11:01 AM	#20
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	You are thinking just like I was... I think in that other thread, they are upset that I mentioned this because I think rather than try to market the SCH to every skimmer and try to sell as many Aquadrivers as possible, I think they want to use it to try to sell more BK's instead. That could explain why they are so expensive as well... they dont PLAN to sell as many with that marketing. But yeah. I should be able to just buy the right size skimclean and strap it onto my ATB if I want.

08/30/2008, 11:15 AM	#21
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	ok thanks hahn. i wonder though, What if the cleaning paddle is not as long as the neck of your skimmer? if they marketed at all skimmers they could sell different length paddles. hopefully after a year or so aquadriver will market them to everybody at the same price as in Europe, they would sell much better at a fair price. __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

08/30/2008, 11:39 AM	#22
german_reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 42	But if this is a plan why are there different prices between EU and US? If this is the idea they would like to sell more BKs in the EU AND in the US. As a side note.. everybody is able to google the price or find the manufacturer and I don't think that this is the plan. Maybe they have not set a binding agreement for the price. Otherwise I am not able to explain the price difference between US and EU...? But what do I know?! __________________ The Unspeakable Law: As soon as you mention something..... ...if it is good, it goes away, ...if it is bad, it happens. Current Tank Info: I couldn't bring it with me

08/30/2008, 12:05 PM	#23
wattsupdoc Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozarks Posts: 195	Doesnt the SCH just dump the skimmate back into the column? As opposed to removing it? At least with it on the neck, you can remove it from the column..... Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like that just wipes and rinses it??? __________________ Mod maniac....You tackle it, I'll get the dremel! Current Tank Info: 135 RR Oceanic, 65 mixed Reef, mini me's got a 10 Nano

08/30/2008, 02:18 PM	#25
Jim_S Timo Boll Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,333	Yeah, I thought the same thing whattsupdoc, then what Maximus just said was explained to me a while back. Think of it as an ongoing thing, so the neck is always clean. Its not as if it only comes on every couple days where it would be pushing a bunch of crud back down. It allows the skimmer to constantly skim so all the stuff that may wind up on the neck, really winds up in the cup. German Reefer, I think the price is such just because they feel they CAN do it. Klaus has obviously spoken with Carsten P and the agreement is such that his SCH's can be sold in states for RE skimmers. That adds exclusivity to both the bubble king skimmers and Aquadriver, and as a result, they feel they can charge whatever they like. It also doesn't help that Deltec was charging ridiculous prices for their SCH as well. That kind of opens the doors for Proline and RE to say "well, the price is in line with other manufacturers in the states". Its unfortunate. Its a great product thats fallen under control of the wrong folks it seems. Of course, they have the right to charge whatever they like. Its their business, and thats the great part about capitalism. Carsten P should come up with his own distribution channel and sell them to whoever at reasonable prices. If Klaus and proline want to sell their BK labeled SCH's for top dollar, then cool. For all the other folks, they can buy one from Aquadriver Its his product. Let him reap the benefits. __________________ We will survive in this world of competition, shooting guns and our ammunition... Bradley Nowell Current Tank Info: We're recreating the ocean in our livings rooms. With that said, I've had some ups and downs.