WOW! Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump $1,999.

SeanT · 09/17/2008, 04:29 PM

Thats a serious price.

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Category_Code=

miwoodar · 09/17/2008, 04:33 PM

If only I didn't need this last kidney...

turbonut · 09/17/2008, 04:48 PM

that pump is sick

reefergeorge · 09/17/2008, 04:56 PM

Red dragon= expensive

DaveG99 · 09/17/2008, 05:09 PM

for that price it better be silent and able to pump the water out of a swimming pool in 5 minutes!

gcarroll · 09/17/2008, 05:09 PM

I saw it at MACNA. It is definitely an impressive piece of machinery.

dvanacker · 09/17/2008, 05:26 PM

totally looks worth $2000.

DaveG99 · 09/17/2008, 05:38 PM

if your using that pump your probably paying someone to set up your tank and take care of it for you also.

Proline · 09/17/2008, 06:25 PM

This pumps has 6600 gph of flow ,is the second largest in the range ,the smaller ones are much cheaper .
They could be used for closed loop applications combined with the controller ,you will be able to run multiple pumps in synchronous or Asynchronous way to creat random flow in the tank ,it will eliminate the need to use devices like ocean motion,powerheads,...
We are designing a tank for our headoffice with 2 RDIIs ,with 2 holes in the tank bottom @ the opposite corners of the tank for intake & 4 exits on the back pane.
The 2 pumps will be running Asynchronous ,that should creat a rocking semi wave action as well.

many features such is night mode & different failsafes.
the head pressure on this pump is 26.5'.
Titanium shaft ,with SC bearings ,brushless DC.

ioreefer45 · 09/17/2008, 06:36 PM

seems impressive. How quiet are the RDs compare to the reeflo with baldor? Are they as silent as the Velocity T3/T4 pumps?

SeanT · 09/17/2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Proline
They could be used for closed loop applications combined with the controller ,you will be able to run multiple pumps in synchronous or Asynchronous way to creat random flow in the tank ,it will eliminate the need to use devices like ocean motion

The pump is impressive no doubt.

But at that price point, wouldn't it be more accurate that oceansmotions woul be more popular on CL applications versus two of these?

Proline · 09/17/2008, 07:00 PM

These are dead silent
Again as I mentioned the smaller ones will be much cheaper,this one is used for larger tanks & alsoless headaches for pluming,... looks better than having multiple powerheads in the tank.
with the ocean motion you will not have the ability of running pumps Asynchronous ,this will be different flow.
Ofcourse there are many different ways of creating flow in the tank & different preferences.

tangtang clown · 09/17/2008, 07:10 PM

Just pre ordered 12 of these on my company credit card.

sjm817 · 09/17/2008, 07:10 PM

Very nice pump but I'm not sure I see the replacement of an OM CL or quality powerhead application.

An OM CL setup is typically a 4 way unit. Many use an 8 way OM. I dont think many would consider 4 or 8 pumps as being practical or economical.

As far as replacing powerheads. A Tunze 6301 or the new 6305 does 7,900+ GPH @ 64W. You could get a pair of 6201s, or 6205s for a total GPH of 11,600 GPH @ 110W

SeanT · 09/17/2008, 07:24 PM

Hey tangtang clown,
Have we met...both in Wilmington.

moondoggy4 · 09/17/2008, 07:42 PM

I like the sound of much cheaper but coming from Germany I will not get my hopes up to much. .Klaus are there any pictures with the smaller pump on say a 120 gallon tank showing how you do the Asychronous motion. Would this be used as the main pump return or as a closed loop system? Thanks for another great product moving the hobby in a better direction.

sjm817 · 09/17/2008, 07:48 PM

Here are all the RD pumps that are listed @ P.A.:
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Code=reddragon

As far as I can tell, only the one in this thread is DC and controllable.

glassbox-design · 09/17/2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Proline
These are dead silent

Klaus has said the decibel rating for the 25,000lph/6600gph RD2 was 65db at 1 meter away. Based on your description, it seems this measure is incorrect...?

EDIT: Thanks sjm.

Quote:

Originally posted by sjm817
Here are all the RD pumps that are listed @ P.A.:
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Code=reddragon

As far as I can tell, only the one in this thread is DC and controllable.

That's because it's the only RD2 pump they have listed

There are currently 6 models, some with controllers built into the pump.

sjm817 · 09/17/2008, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by glassbox-design

That's because it's the only RD2 pump they have listed There are currently 6 models, some with controllers built into the pump.

Thanks for the clarification. I found the info below on the Proline forum:

Red Dragon II 170 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 15000liter/h = 3962 gph
Head Pressure: 4.5m = 14.75 feet

Red Dragon II 250 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 20000liter/h = 5283 gph
Head Pressure: 6m = 19.7 feet

Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 25000liter/h = 6600 gph
Head Pressure: 8m = 26.25 feet

Red Dragon II 1500 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 50000liter/h = 13210 gph
Head Pressure: 13m = 42.5 feet

das75 · 09/17/2008, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by glassbox-design
Klaus has said the decibel rating for the 25,000lph/6600gph RD2 was 65db at 1 meter away. Based on your description, it seems this measure is incorrect...?

MY Barracuda is 66dB from 2', realize not the same flow but far from silent.

The RD looks pretty fancy though.

glassbox-design · 09/17/2008, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sjm817
Thanks for the clarification. I found the info below on the Proline forum:

Red Dragon II 170 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 15000liter/h = 3962 gph
Head Pressure: 4.5m = 14.75 feet

Red Dragon II 250 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 20000liter/h = 5283 gph
Head Pressure: 6m = 19.7 feet

Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 25000liter/h = 6600 gph
Head Pressure: 8m = 26.25 feet

Red Dragon II 1500 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 50000liter/h = 13210 gph
Head Pressure: 13m = 42.5 feet

Thanks for that clarification, answered my other question

JCTewks · 09/17/2008, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SeanT
Hey tangtang clown,
Have we met...both in Wilmington.

Hey, I'm in Wilmington too

It's nice to see that thety FINALLY put threaded inputs and ouputs on the pump (although they are probably metric

)

Klaus Jansen · 09/18/2008, 01:50 PM

@JCTewks...

not metric.... the connections are US size....

@Glasbox-Design...

the 65 db is outside... this Pump can used outside the water, or submersible.... Subermsible is the Pump Deadsilent.... i am a big Fan from submersible Pumps... so much more silent....

@Price....

1.999.- Dollar is real a good Price. The Cost of this Pump is in Germany 1.495.- Euro = 2.242.- Dollar.

@gcarroll...

thanks for the nice Pictures.... :-)

regards...

tanglovers · 09/18/2008, 02:14 PM

The pump listed/shown, is that $2000 with the controller or just for the pump and the controller is an additional purchase?

Klaus Jansen · 09/18/2008, 03:59 PM

Pump and Controller are married...

Pump dont running, without Controller...

regards..Klaus

09/17/2008, 04:29 PM	#1
SeanT Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wilmington, North Carolina Posts: 13,860	WOW! Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump $1,999. Thats a serious price. http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Category_Code= __________________ My tank was cool. Current Tank Info: Barebottom (the tank not me...at least not at the moment).

09/17/2008, 04:33 PM	#2
miwoodar Likey the bikey Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,371	If only I didn't need this last kidney... __________________ Mike On hiatus. I'm either out riding my bicycle, playing with my family, or throwing ferts in my planted tank. Or working. I hope I'm not doing that though. Current Tank Info: 140 DIY Cube

09/17/2008, 04:56 PM	#4
reefergeorge Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St Louis MO Posts: 4,222	Red dragon= expensive __________________ $35-50 for a <1" frag of some stupid named thing that came from a colony you bought for $40-60 wholesale and chopped into 20-40 pieces? No thanks. "JasonH" Current Tank Info: 125 aggressive reef, DIY led lighting, swc cone skimmer, 33 gallon sump, posiden Ps3 return.

09/17/2008, 05:09 PM	#6
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	I saw it at MACNA. It is definitely an impressive piece of machinery. __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ...

09/17/2008, 05:26 PM	#7
dvanacker DID I SOUNDS SMRT?? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ontario, CAN Posts: 3,690	totally looks worth $2000. __________________ --DARRYL-- Current Tank Info: 200g SPS dominant Mixed Reef

09/17/2008, 04:48 PM	#3
turbonut Moved On Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: moreno valley ca Posts: 578	that pump is sick

09/17/2008, 05:09 PM	#5
DaveG99 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Forney Texas Posts: 1,597	for that price it better be silent and able to pump the water out of a swimming pool in 5 minutes!

09/17/2008, 05:38 PM	#8
DaveG99 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Forney Texas Posts: 1,597	if your using that pump your probably paying someone to set up your tank and take care of it for you also.

09/17/2008, 06:25 PM	#9
Proline Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 272	This pumps has 6600 gph of flow ,is the second largest in the range ,the smaller ones are much cheaper . They could be used for closed loop applications combined with the controller ,you will be able to run multiple pumps in synchronous or Asynchronous way to creat random flow in the tank ,it will eliminate the need to use devices like ocean motion,powerheads,... We are designing a tank for our headoffice with 2 RDIIs ,with 2 holes in the tank bottom @ the opposite corners of the tank for intake & 4 exits on the back pane. The 2 pumps will be running Asynchronous ,that should creat a rocking semi wave action as well. many features such is night mode & different failsafes. the head pressure on this pump is 26.5'. Titanium shaft ,with SC bearings ,brushless DC.

09/17/2008, 06:36 PM	#10
ioreefer45 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	seems impressive. How quiet are the RDs compare to the reeflo with baldor? Are they as silent as the Velocity T3/T4 pumps?

09/17/2008, 07:00 PM	#12
Proline Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 272	These are dead silent Again as I mentioned the smaller ones will be much cheaper,this one is used for larger tanks & alsoless headaches for pluming,... looks better than having multiple powerheads in the tank. with the ocean motion you will not have the ability of running pumps Asynchronous ,this will be different flow. Ofcourse there are many different ways of creating flow in the tank & different preferences.

09/17/2008, 07:10 PM	#13
tangtang clown Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The DUB, NC Posts: 2,711	Just pre ordered 12 of these on my company credit card. __________________ Mind over chatter.

09/17/2008, 07:10 PM	#14
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	Very nice pump but I'm not sure I see the replacement of an OM CL or quality powerhead application. An OM CL setup is typically a 4 way unit. Many use an 8 way OM. I dont think many would consider 4 or 8 pumps as being practical or economical. As far as replacing powerheads. A Tunze 6301 or the new 6305 does 7,900+ GPH @ 64W. You could get a pair of 6201s, or 6205s for a total GPH of 11,600 GPH @ 110W __________________ - Scott

09/17/2008, 07:24 PM	#15
SeanT Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wilmington, North Carolina Posts: 13,860	Hey tangtang clown, Have we met...both in Wilmington. __________________ My tank was cool. Current Tank Info: Barebottom (the tank not me...at least not at the moment).

09/17/2008, 07:42 PM	#16
moondoggy4 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: menifee So cal Posts: 11,042	I like the sound of much cheaper but coming from Germany I will not get my hopes up to much. .Klaus are there any pictures with the smaller pump on say a 120 gallon tank showing how you do the Asychronous motion. Would this be used as the main pump return or as a closed loop system? Thanks for another great product moving the hobby in a better direction.

09/17/2008, 07:48 PM	#17
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	Here are all the RD pumps that are listed @ P.A.: http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Code=reddragon As far as I can tell, only the one in this thread is DC and controllable. __________________ - Scott

09/18/2008, 01:50 PM	#23
Klaus Jansen RC Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,256	@JCTewks... not metric.... the connections are US size.... @Glasbox-Design... the 65 db is outside... this Pump can used outside the water, or submersible.... Subermsible is the Pump Deadsilent.... i am a big Fan from submersible Pumps... so much more silent.... @Price.... 1.999.- Dollar is real a good Price. The Cost of this Pump is in Germany 1.495.- Euro = 2.242.- Dollar. @gcarroll... thanks for the nice Pictures.... :-) regards...

09/18/2008, 02:14 PM	#24
tanglovers Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 946	The pump listed/shown, is that $2000 with the controller or just for the pump and the controller is an additional purchase?

09/18/2008, 03:59 PM	#25
Klaus Jansen RC Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,256	Pump and Controller are married... Pump dont running, without Controller... regards..Klaus