Which is safer for reef, Coral Beauty Angel or Flame Angel?

cato · 08/23/2009, 08:32 PM

Which is safer for reef, Coral Beauty Angel or Flame Angel? What are your experiences?

Sisterlimonpot · 08/23/2009, 08:36 PM

wow that's a loaded question

it all comes down to the actual fish.

dan3949 · 08/23/2009, 08:37 PM

I am very interested in this poll. Also, any experience/opinions for a smaller (i.e. 65 gallon) tank.

EllieSuz · 08/23/2009, 08:43 PM

My Flame has never nipped at any corals, but I don't have any SPS. I feed small amounts several times a day on the theory that if she has a full tummy, she won't bother the corals. So far, so good.

Misled · 08/23/2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Sisterlimonpot
wow that's a loaded question it all comes down to the actual fish.

And what you keep. I have clams so neither!!!!

Shane Hoffman · 08/23/2009, 08:45 PM

IME The flame angel is by far more reef safe than the coral beauty. I have owned two flames, neither has ever nipped at a thing.....

The one coral beauty I had viewed my corals as his own personal buffet....

I LFS however has a coral beauty in their softie tank and they have no problems....

Shane Hoffman · 08/23/2009, 08:46 PM

I have SPS, LPS and softies....

No clams here....

edsreef · 08/23/2009, 09:05 PM

Both are little beasties!

cato · 08/24/2009, 06:14 PM

Thanks guys

ajstookey09 · 08/24/2009, 07:21 PM

I have never had a flame angel but I do have a coral beauty and I have lost a couple small corals thanks to him. To name a few i have xenia, some waving hands(anthiea), and some zoa frags. He was in a 75g but we have since moved to a 180g and doesn't seem like he has been nipping too much.Oh he also nips at algae on rock but I really dont care bout that.

luther1200 · 08/24/2009, 07:37 PM

I owned a Flame Angle for about 2 years. In that time he wiped out my Stylophora, and Superman Monti. He also ate my Favia, Acan, and my Micromussa. The last 3 were able to recover after he naturally died. But if he didn't I am positive they would have died if I didn't do something about it. And all this was after almost a year of him not touching a single coral! So Flame Angles are definitely not reef safe. And I fed well. Nori was in the tank every day. Plus 1 cube a day.

snorvich · 08/24/2009, 08:12 PM

The other problem is that what starts out reef safe (more or less) can overnight turn into a terror. I have seen it happen, fortunately not with me.

LobsterOfJustice · 08/24/2009, 09:32 PM

Check the file posted in the end of this thread:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=4

noboddi · 08/24/2009, 10:41 PM

Can't say really. With these species it will come down to the individual fish.

mikearoni · 08/25/2009, 01:33 PM

It depends. I had a coral beauty and it didnt touch any corals at first, but after about 6 months it began to go after my favorite open brain so I got rid of it.

luther1200 · 08/25/2009, 01:45 PM

The bottom line is that there is a vey good chance that either 1 of these fish could eat your SPS and LPS. Its just a question if you want to take the risk. I know they are pretty fish, but I won't take the risk ever again. Not after seeing what they can do first hand.

View Poll Results: Which is safer for reef, Coral Beauty Angel or Flame Angel?
Coral Beauty	11	27.50%
Flame Angel	5	12.50%
Either	9	22.50%
Neither, both are bad	15	37.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

08/23/2009, 08:32 PM	#1
cato New England Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CT Posts: 5,450	Which is safer for reef, Coral Beauty Angel or Flame Angel? Which is safer for reef, Coral Beauty Angel or Flame Angel? What are your experiences? __________________ -Cato I swear it's an illness... Current Tank Info: On Hiatus

08/23/2009, 08:36 PM	#2
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	wow that's a loaded question it all comes down to the actual fish. __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

08/23/2009, 08:43 PM	#4
EllieSuz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 3,858	My Flame has never nipped at any corals, but I don't have any SPS. I feed small amounts several times a day on the theory that if she has a full tummy, she won't bother the corals. So far, so good. __________________ "You can't learn this hobby one question at a time." (Mr. Tuskfish) Eileen Current Tank Info: I'm out of the hobby, but used to have a60 gal. reef, refugium in sump, Internal Mag 9 return, SC 302 skimmer, two Maxi-Jet 1200's modded, four bulb T5 Lighting, Reefkeeper Lite Controller with three PC4's, Little Fishes GFO reactor.

08/23/2009, 08:45 PM	#6
Shane Hoffman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 45 mins from Chicago Posts: 2,009	IME The flame angel is by far more reef safe than the coral beauty. I have owned two flames, neither has ever nipped at a thing..... The one coral beauty I had viewed my corals as his own personal buffet.... I LFS however has a coral beauty in their softie tank and they have no problems.... __________________ A wise man once said "Never play leap frog with a unicorn" Current Tank Info: 150 gallon glass with 20 gallon sump, 175lbs of coraline covered live rock, EuroReef skimmer rated for 250gal, 25watt Aqua UV sterilizer, Fluval FX5, Hamilton 3x250watt MH, 160 watt Blue actinic....Mixed reef

08/23/2009, 08:37 PM	#3
dan3949 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 89	I am very interested in this poll. Also, any experience/opinions for a smaller (i.e. 65 gallon) tank.

08/23/2009, 08:46 PM	#7
Shane Hoffman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 45 mins from Chicago Posts: 2,009	I have SPS, LPS and softies.... No clams here.... __________________ A wise man once said "Never play leap frog with a unicorn" Current Tank Info: 150 gallon glass with 20 gallon sump, 175lbs of coraline covered live rock, EuroReef skimmer rated for 250gal, 25watt Aqua UV sterilizer, Fluval FX5, Hamilton 3x250watt MH, 160 watt Blue actinic....Mixed reef

08/23/2009, 09:05 PM	#8
edsreef Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 912	Both are little beasties!

08/24/2009, 06:14 PM	#9
cato New England Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CT Posts: 5,450	Thanks guys __________________ -Cato I swear it's an illness... Current Tank Info: On Hiatus

08/24/2009, 07:21 PM	#10
ajstookey09 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: sandusky, ohio Posts: 5	I have never had a flame angel but I do have a coral beauty and I have lost a couple small corals thanks to him. To name a few i have xenia, some waving hands(anthiea), and some zoa frags. He was in a 75g but we have since moved to a 180g and doesn't seem like he has been nipping too much.Oh he also nips at algae on rock but I really dont care bout that. __________________ ashley and justin Current Tank Info: 180 reef tank

08/24/2009, 07:37 PM	#11
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	I owned a Flame Angle for about 2 years. In that time he wiped out my Stylophora, and Superman Monti. He also ate my Favia, Acan, and my Micromussa. The last 3 were able to recover after he naturally died. But if he didn't I am positive they would have died if I didn't do something about it. And all this was after almost a year of him not touching a single coral! So Flame Angles are definitely not reef safe. And I fed well. Nori was in the tank every day. Plus 1 cube a day. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

08/24/2009, 08:12 PM	#12
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	The other problem is that what starts out reef safe (more or less) can overnight turn into a terror. I have seen it happen, fortunately not with me. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

08/24/2009, 09:32 PM	#13
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	Check the file posted in the end of this thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=4 __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

08/24/2009, 10:41 PM	#14
noboddi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 813	Can't say really. With these species it will come down to the individual fish. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham Current Tank Info: 55 gallon (36x18x20), 40 gallon sump, 25 gallon refugium, TEK 6x39w fixture, Osmolator, Kalk Reactor, Vortech MP20, 2 Koralia 3s on controller, Acropora, Anthelia, Montipora, Starry Blenny, Yellow Watchman, Rainford Goby, Tiger Gobies

08/25/2009, 01:33 PM	#15
mikearoni Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 443	It depends. I had a coral beauty and it didnt touch any corals at first, but after about 6 months it began to go after my favorite open brain so I got rid of it.

08/25/2009, 01:45 PM	#16
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	The bottom line is that there is a vey good chance that either 1 of these fish could eat your SPS and LPS. Its just a question if you want to take the risk. I know they are pretty fish, but I won't take the risk ever again. Not after seeing what they can do first hand. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.