frogspawn - anyone had problems with these?

DC_40gallon · 12/01/2009, 12:20 PM

I bought a small head of frogspawn from my LFS for $16 yesterday. Looked good and healthy and he had it in his tank for a month or so (I've been watching it). It had about 8 tiny tubes growing off of it. I had wanted one for a while so I bought it. Got it home and it was doing great, had it in my eggcrate with my other 3 frags and in the upper 1/4 of my tank and had a decent flow.

This morning I turned on my lights and it was gone! the only thing left is the skeleton and I can see a faint neon green in the center of it. It's been a few hours now and no movement.

Luckily he is going to replace it with a head of multi colored frogspawn (green and purple/pink tips) for a tiny additional (that stuff usually runs $60-70 head due to the multi-color).

What could cause a frogspawn death?

ssm05rsx · 12/01/2009, 12:28 PM

It should still be alive, just went back into it's skeleton, mine has done it before as well as my Torch, just wait it out, if you have the correct water parameters it should just come right out.

Are you moving it around in your tank? if so that can scare it, I know my leathers if I move them, they won't open back up for like 2 days.

DC_40gallon · 12/01/2009, 12:32 PM

Nope I left it in the eggcrate, I thought the light might be too much for it (it's in the 1/4 top of the tank so it's real close to new T5 bulbs - 2 actinics and 2 12k's) so I tilted it sideways (the plug it's on) so it will shade it just a little bit from the main flow and lighting to see if that opens it up).

ssm05rsx · 12/01/2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DC_40gallon

Nope I left it in the eggcrate, I thought the light might be too much for it (it's in the 1/4 top of the tank so it's real close to new T5 bulbs - 2 actinics and 2 12k's) so I tilted it sideways (the plug it's on) so it will shade it just a little bit from the main flow and lighting to see if that opens it up).

I would just let it be for a day or two, I've had coral not open for a few days then finally open up when its ready.

It may be too much light, you want to warm it up to those new lights, I know with some of my coral, I start it off in the bottom part of my tank and slowly move it up to the top to adjust it to the light. Or maybe put your lights on for a shorter amount of time. How high was it at your LFS?

I still am more postive on its just hiding, and not a lighting issue, I have mine at the top of my tank right under my MH's

DC_40gallon · 12/01/2009, 02:20 PM

My tank is 16 inches tall. It's a 40 breeder.

Could a lawnmower blenny have ate it? If it's gone that's my only thought of where it went.

ssm05rsx · 12/01/2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DC_40gallon

My tank is 16 inches tall. It's a 40 breeder.

Could a lawnmower blenny have ate it? If it's gone that's my only thought of where it went.

No, A Lawnmower Blenny would not eat frog Spawn, It has to be hiding, just let it be hahah, I know it's hard, but I have some Digi's that are like a pale red, and I keep moving them and making them worse. If you let coral jsut be on its own. It is better that way.

albano · 12/01/2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DC_40gallon

Luckily he is going to replace it with a head of multi colored frogspawn(green and purple/pink tips) for a tiny additional (that stuff usually runs $60-70 head due to the multi-color).

Price sounds VERY high, you could buy orange frogspawn for less than that. Hope it is very tiny additional!

My 450g build:
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/...sh-free-3.html

MandM · 12/01/2009, 02:57 PM

How did you acclimate it? I've had frogspawn pop heads off from high temp or light shock.

It may have just retracted into the skeleton but it sounds like the new home is not at all like the old one.

DC_40gallon · 12/01/2009, 03:41 PM

I stuck it in the sand from what you all seem to be saying it coul have been too high and I just put in new t5 bulbs a week ago.

Wats weird if it retracted it did it overnight with the lights off.

jcorritore · 12/01/2009, 03:48 PM

Too much light I would think. I got rid of mine as it will try to sting/kill any thing it can get near. Mine was just evil if a coral can be evil.

MandM · 12/01/2009, 04:42 PM

Yes, mine popped all it's heads when I upgraded to t5. Move it down away from the light. You can also use some shade cloth to make a little tent while it recovers. It several months for mine to grow back after I moved it under a ledge.

joel g · 12/01/2009, 06:28 PM

I was always taught start all new corals low in the tank then gradually move them up to acclimate them to your light

mal1099 · 12/01/2009, 07:42 PM

Parameters on tank. Maybe something is off? Also like others said give it some time you did just move it to a new enviroment and may need to adjust.

Names Brucey · 12/01/2009, 08:51 PM

Sounds may also be bothering it. I have had my large one do that several times. It was actually waging war with my nearby bubble. Doesn't sound like it is dead though.

DC_40gallon · 12/01/2009, 09:43 PM

I'll upload a pic tomorrow. So far even moving it into the sand hasn't made a single drop of change.

Ugh maybe I should get a bigger piece but even then I'm fearful of spending the money.

Iskandar · 12/01/2009, 10:24 PM

try to leave it alone for a few days. I mean do not wet your hands in saltwater for a week

They really do not like to be disturbed during acclimatization.
PS green with pink tips - NOT multicolored, ordinary frogspawn, sorry...

DC_40gallon · 12/01/2009, 10:48 PM

Glad I haven't bought it yet then

DC_40gallon · 12/02/2009, 11:44 AM

Here are two pics of it closed. It hasn't had movement since the night before last which was the day that I put it in the tank from the LFS.

I can see neon green in the center of the skeleton but other than that, what you see is what it is.

Thanks for your suggestions and ideas. I want frogspawn, but if another one is going to die, I'm not wasting the money. I got a chalice last night as a replacement free of charge from the LFS. I thought that was nice, at least I'm not out anything so far now.

DC_40gallon · 12/02/2009, 01:18 PM

bump

Lyfey · 12/02/2009, 01:27 PM

looks dead to me. I have not had much of any luck with frogspawn. Not happy in my new tank since I moved back in June.

Ohiomom · 12/02/2009, 01:30 PM

Looks to me to be pretty much of a gonner..

One question you haven't answered is how you acclimated it..I am willing to bet that was a major part of the issue..also I wouldn't remove it from the tank just yet..they have been known to "bud" from the skeleton so I would wait and see..

DC_40gallon · 12/02/2009, 01:40 PM

Ohiomom - that is exactly what I am doing, it won't do any harm to the water leaving it so I am keeping my fingers crossed and wait and see.

It was open and cute and when I shut my lights off for the night, I woke up and turn them on and said, "what the hell!?" I'm going to scope out a new arrival shipment at another LFS today who said they should have a great selection of sized colony frogspawn which might be the best way to go, something larger than a 1 inch diamter frag of it.

DC_40gallon · 12/02/2009, 01:42 PM

Opps - Also I am going to be VERY slow in acclimating the new one, T5 lights off - bedroom lights on only, put it in the sand vs. elevating it any higher than the colony branch that its on. I'll be much slower on the drip acclimating, since I don't have anything else to do today, I am going to make it my day long task to acclimate it.

Keiki Moana · 12/02/2009, 01:48 PM

Frogspans and torches having always been touch an go for me....they tend to do well then regress and die....I have one now that I have had for a long time but only one head of 4 is still alive....I have never figured this out....

DC_40gallon · 12/02/2009, 02:21 PM

Strange. All of this has me worried at even spending the money on another one.

12/01/2009, 12:20 PM	#1
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	frogspawn - anyone had problems with these? I bought a small head of frogspawn from my LFS for $16 yesterday. Looked good and healthy and he had it in his tank for a month or so (I've been watching it). It had about 8 tiny tubes growing off of it. I had wanted one for a while so I bought it. Got it home and it was doing great, had it in my eggcrate with my other 3 frags and in the upper 1/4 of my tank and had a decent flow. This morning I turned on my lights and it was gone! the only thing left is the skeleton and I can see a faint neon green in the center of it. It's been a few hours now and no movement. Luckily he is going to replace it with a head of multi colored frogspawn (green and purple/pink tips) for a tiny additional (that stuff usually runs $60-70 head due to the multi-color). What could cause a frogspawn death?

12/01/2009, 02:57 PM	#8
MandM sick yet brilliant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,497	How did you acclimate it? I've had frogspawn pop heads off from high temp or light shock. It may have just retracted into the skeleton but it sounds like the new home is not at all like the old one. __________________ Sheila I was emo when emo wasn't cool If your not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. Current Tank Info: 120g, 8g

12/01/2009, 04:42 PM	#11
MandM sick yet brilliant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,497	Yes, mine popped all it's heads when I upgraded to t5. Move it down away from the light. You can also use some shade cloth to make a little tent while it recovers. It several months for mine to grow back after I moved it under a ledge. __________________ Sheila I was emo when emo wasn't cool If your not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. Current Tank Info: 120g, 8g

12/02/2009, 01:30 PM	#21
Ohiomom Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,586	Looks to me to be pretty much of a gonner.. One question you haven't answered is how you acclimated it..I am willing to bet that was a major part of the issue..also I wouldn't remove it from the tank just yet..they have been known to "bud" from the skeleton so I would wait and see.. __________________ .....Sandra “Being happy doesn't mean that everything is perfect. It means that you've decided to look beyond the imperfections.” Current Tank Info: 75 galllon reef, T5HO love em!

12/01/2009, 12:28 PM	#2
ssm05rsx Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Jersey Posts: 77	It should still be alive, just went back into it's skeleton, mine has done it before as well as my Torch, just wait it out, if you have the correct water parameters it should just come right out. Are you moving it around in your tank? if so that can scare it, I know my leathers if I move them, they won't open back up for like 2 days.

12/01/2009, 12:32 PM	#3
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	Nope I left it in the eggcrate, I thought the light might be too much for it (it's in the 1/4 top of the tank so it's real close to new T5 bulbs - 2 actinics and 2 12k's) so I tilted it sideways (the plug it's on) so it will shade it just a little bit from the main flow and lighting to see if that opens it up).

12/01/2009, 02:20 PM	#5
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	My tank is 16 inches tall. It's a 40 breeder. Could a lawnmower blenny have ate it? If it's gone that's my only thought of where it went.

12/01/2009, 03:41 PM	#9
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	I stuck it in the sand from what you all seem to be saying it coul have been too high and I just put in new t5 bulbs a week ago. Wats weird if it retracted it did it overnight with the lights off.

12/01/2009, 03:48 PM	#10
jcorritore Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nashville Tn Posts: 4	Too much light I would think. I got rid of mine as it will try to sting/kill any thing it can get near. Mine was just evil if a coral can be evil.

12/01/2009, 06:28 PM	#12
joel g Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: southern ma Posts: 68	I was always taught start all new corals low in the tank then gradually move them up to acclimate them to your light

12/01/2009, 07:42 PM	#13
mal1099 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Everett Wa Posts: 244	Parameters on tank. Maybe something is off? Also like others said give it some time you did just move it to a new enviroment and may need to adjust.

12/01/2009, 08:51 PM	#14
Names Brucey Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Middle River, MD Posts: 272	Sounds may also be bothering it. I have had my large one do that several times. It was actually waging war with my nearby bubble. Doesn't sound like it is dead though.

12/01/2009, 09:43 PM	#15
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	I'll upload a pic tomorrow. So far even moving it into the sand hasn't made a single drop of change. Ugh maybe I should get a bigger piece but even then I'm fearful of spending the money.

12/01/2009, 10:24 PM	#16
Iskandar Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 73	try to leave it alone for a few days. I mean do not wet your hands in saltwater for a week They really do not like to be disturbed during acclimatization. PS green with pink tips - NOT multicolored, ordinary frogspawn, sorry...

12/01/2009, 10:48 PM	#17
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	Glad I haven't bought it yet then

12/02/2009, 01:18 PM	#19
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	bump

12/02/2009, 01:27 PM	#20
Lyfey Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 842	looks dead to me. I have not had much of any luck with frogspawn. Not happy in my new tank since I moved back in June.

12/02/2009, 01:40 PM	#22
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	Ohiomom - that is exactly what I am doing, it won't do any harm to the water leaving it so I am keeping my fingers crossed and wait and see. It was open and cute and when I shut my lights off for the night, I woke up and turn them on and said, "what the hell!?" I'm going to scope out a new arrival shipment at another LFS today who said they should have a great selection of sized colony frogspawn which might be the best way to go, something larger than a 1 inch diamter frag of it.

12/02/2009, 01:42 PM	#23
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	Opps - Also I am going to be VERY slow in acclimating the new one, T5 lights off - bedroom lights on only, put it in the sand vs. elevating it any higher than the colony branch that its on. I'll be much slower on the drip acclimating, since I don't have anything else to do today, I am going to make it my day long task to acclimate it.

12/02/2009, 01:48 PM	#24
Keiki Moana Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 72	Frogspans and torches having always been touch an go for me....they tend to do well then regress and die....I have one now that I have had for a long time but only one head of 4 is still alive....I have never figured this out....

12/02/2009, 02:21 PM	#25
DC_40gallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,474	Strange. All of this has me worried at even spending the money on another one.