new tang

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 04:37 PM

Bought a goldrim tang last week. He seems to be doing great, and very happy in the tank. He picks at the live rock all day long, but wont take anything we offer him. Hes afraid of the clip... and when I put seaweed strips on the rock he wont even go near it. Everything I've seen and read says this is how they are. Just wanted to make sure he is getting enough. I know he still needs time to adjust to his new home and all, but was just wondering what you guys think and have experienced. Thanks!

Shane Hoffman · 02/05/2010, 04:45 PM

If you have enough algae on your rocks he MAY be ok for a while. Continue to offer him food daily or atleast every other day. Try different types of frozen flakes and pellets until you get something that interests him. I would continue to try attaching nori to the rock, eventually he should work up the courage to try it and realize he likes it. Also, try soaking bothe the food you feed and the nori in selcon or zoecon and garlic. Good luck. If after several days you dont notice him losing weight or thinning out in the belly (it should be nice and round) chances are he is getting what he needs off of the rocks at the moment.

wooden_reefer · 02/05/2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sb62nova

Bought a goldrim tang last week. He seems to be doing great, and very happy in the tank. He picks at the live rock all day long, but wont take anything we offer him. Hes afraid of the clip... and when I put seaweed strips on the rock he wont even go near it. Everything I've seen and read says this is how they are. Just wanted to make sure he is getting enough. I know he still needs time to adjust to his new home and all, but was just wondering what you guys think and have experienced. Thanks!

Some thing sets chills off my spine when I heard " bought last week" and "picking on LR".

May be the fellow is picking on LR in QT with elaborate disease control, or may be you did not QT and put in the DT.

The latter, I'm afraid for you.

jmski333 · 02/05/2010, 04:49 PM

was he eating the the pet store?

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wooden_reefer

Some thing sets chills off my spine when I heard " bought last week" and "picking on LR".

May be the fellow is picking on LR in QT with elaborate disease control, or may be you did not QT and put in the DT.

The latter, I'm afraid for you.

what the heck is wrong with some people on this site? maybe not being a dickhead is a better approach. I am in the process of setting up a QT. yes i should have done it sooner, but dont come at me like im an expert when im posting in the NEW TO THE HOBBY forum.

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 05:08 PM

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jmski333 · 02/05/2010, 05:13 PM

dont worry about it, tons of people dont quarantine their fish. Its just not recommended, especially for tangs. But like i said, dont worry.

garzaci · 02/05/2010, 05:30 PM

Don't worry about it. As much as people preach QT, QT, QT I think its safe to assume quite a bit of people here don't have a QT tank themselves. I agree its something that should be done but what newbi has the knowledge to purchase one when they buy their first tank. Unless you start off looking here before you make your first purchase you would have no clue. I'm afraid not all LFSs take the time to explain the importance to their customers. And I'm sure a great percentage of newbis see a fish store and decide its something they want to do without ever creating an account on RC and seeing if their is anything their LFS is leaving out. Mr WOODEN REEFER, you should consider being a little more courteous to someone asking for help instead of immediately insulting. Everyone has to learn new things in this hobby and turning a newbi off is not the way to promote and increase the knowledge. Do you immediately insult someone you meet on the streets or is this a way to prove your manhood on a website where you don't ever have to come face to face with another person. I would guess the latter since I haven't talked to many professional boxers, fighters, criminals, or soldiers on this site.

SNAKEMANVET · 02/05/2010, 05:36 PM

Sure qt is good,but sometimes it is more stressful for the fish.I have no qt setup.It is most likely still adjusting to it's new home.

jmski333 · 02/05/2010, 05:39 PM

i feel like QT is most critical for more established tank where a $40 tang is small potatoes compared to the amount of money you have in corals and other fish. but for a newer tank > 6months most people take the risk.

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 05:44 PM

thanks all for the replies. well put!

wooden_reefer · 02/05/2010, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb62nova

what the heck is wrong with some people on this site? maybe not being a dickhead is a better approach. I am in the process of setting up a QT. yes i should have done it sooner, but dont come at me like im an expert when im posting in the NEW TO THE HOBBY forum.

There is nothing wrong with the prediction that you would have problem with diseases later.

You should not be in the process of setting up QT; your QT tank should be ready before you get any fish.

QT is not stressful if it is don't correctly, with advance preparation.

There is nothing wrong with forthrightly identifying a problem in procedure.

garzaci · 02/05/2010, 06:13 PM

10-4. You're right. We're wrong. Its mandatory for everyone to have a QT. Even if all I have in my tank is LR then I need to QT my first fish because if not my rock ones the risk of dieing and ill have to get new ones. Understood! Just out of curiosity though. What is your expert testimony on an individual taking wild samples of grunge from the ocean? I'm sure that introduces billions of organisms that are unknown. I would call it diversifying your tankm. How about you? Should they QT it first to make sure none of it is parasites or diseases? Just wondering.

wooden_reefer · 02/05/2010, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garzaci

10-4. You're right. We're wrong. Its mandatory for everyone to have a QT. Even if all I have in my tank is LR then I need to QT my first fish because if not my rock ones the risk of dieing and ill have to get new ones. Understood! Just out of curiosity though. What is your expert testimony on an individual taking wild samples of grunge from the ocean? I'm sure that introduces billions of organisms that are unknown. I would call it diversifying your tankm. How about you? Should they QT it first to make sure none of it is parasites or diseases? Just wondering.

May be you should consider that different pathogen has different reproductive mode that justifies different control strategies.

The confinement of the tank is a major factor.

Two major examples are that ich calls for eradication, bacteria call for lowering waterborne concentration to very low and allowing time for immunity to develop.

I QT to eradicate ich and the allow fish to develop immunity against pathogenic bacteria.

Ich free, not disease free.

The fact that you cannot eradicate all disease agents does not mean that you should not eradicate some that can be eradicated.

For ich, there is a reason why it can be eradicated, it is because it is obligatory and it leaves the host on is own as a part of its lifecycle. If you think about it ecologically, the fact that it can be eradicated is telltale that it should be eradicated. The ich organism leaves the host voluntarily; this is a means of millions of years of relationship. If immunity against ich can be augmented readily, ich quite possibly will not exist today.

It is a bad mistake to treat all pathogens equally and have the same strategy of control, namely immunity.

Engine8ff · 02/05/2010, 06:48 PM

To get back to the subject of his tang not eating nori, just keep offering and make sure you put in the same place everytime you offer it so the fish will grow accustom to it being there. I picked up a nice 9" naso from divers den and it took him about a week to start eating nori, my yellow tang never ate it in qt but once he went into the big tank and seen the others eating it he wanted it the same went for my yellow eye kole. Make sure you soak your nori in some kind of vita solution and add a drip or two of garlic. I think once he sees it in the same spot day after day he will grow curious and take a bite. Good luck and keep us posted.

Toddrtrex · 02/05/2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sb62nova

what the heck is wrong with some people on this site? maybe not being a dickhead is a better approach. I am in the process of setting up a QT. yes i should have done it sooner, but dont come at me like im an expert when im posting in the NEW TO THE HOBBY forum.

You should look at yourself when asking "what the heck is wrong with some people on this site?"

"wooden_reefer" expressed concerns that you may not have used a QT for a very delicate fish. Your response was to call him a "dickhead" --- think you should think twice before posting something like that again.

one clownfish · 02/05/2010, 07:06 PM

I'm sure you've heard enough about quarantine and your right,your new and I guarantee this won't be the last mistake you or anyone else for that matter will make. When I got my tangs the only way I could get them to start eating was to put pieces of algae between the LR. It was only a few days after that they were at the top eating with all the other fish. Good Luck

garzaci · 02/05/2010, 07:06 PM

Now you see how you explained that thoroughly. Well maybe your advice would have been excepted more readily if it had been presented as such.

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 07:12 PM

think twice? or what. id love to be in a room with some people.lol. any way its the way he goes about it "you scare me" its childish.

just drop it if you want drama go somewhere else maybe........face book, twitter or something. there are less **** talkers on the drag racing forum im on.... and that's hard to beat. Just explain dont be a smart ***

so back to the post being a delicate fish i am trying to learn how to take care of it. what is the difference between brown, green , red nori. any pref. for the fish?

Thanks guys have fun and relax...... im trying to learn.

undrtkr_00 · 02/05/2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

You should look at yourself when asking "what the heck is wrong with some people on this site?"

"wooden_reefer" expressed concerns that you may not have used a QT for a very delicate fish. Your response was to call him a "dickhead" --- think you should think twice before posting something like that again.

While his concerns may have been well founded, his approach was, I gotta agree, fairly dickish.

My hippo tang was in my tank for many months and never ate nori from the clip until I got another tang that knew the drill.

Toddrtrex · 02/05/2010, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb62nova

think twice? or what. id love to be in a room with some people.lol. any way its the way he goes about it "you scare me" its childish.

just drop it if you want drama go somewhere else maybe........face book, twitter or something. there are less **** talkers on the drag racing forum im on.... and that's hard to beat. Just explain dont be a smart ***

so back to the post being a delicate fish i am trying to learn how to take care of it. what is the difference between brown, green , red nori. any pref. for the fish?

Thanks guys have fun and relax...... im trying to learn.

Think twice meant that you are not following the User Agreement when you signed up. That could result in issues with your posting privileges. Also, if your post has "****" in it, that indicates that you are using words that aren't allowed on RC --- try to post without using them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by undrtkr_00

While his concerns may have been well founded, his approach was, I gotta agree, fairly dickish.

And using that term still goes against the User Agreement, so don't use it.

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 07:23 PM

undrtkr what did you offer in the meantime?
does anyone use rods orig. food and how often do you feed?

http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f6...ang-48574.html
funny direct and to the point.

undrtkr_00 · 02/05/2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddrtrex

And using that term still goes against the User Agreement, so don't use it.

Didn't mean to be vulgar. I find it funny that you used the term in your post and then scold me for it, though.

How about this: It was jerkish? Snobbish?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb62nova

undrtkr what did you offer in the meantime?
does anyone use rods orig. food and how often do you feed?

I fed mysis for a while, then Rod's food. Original is good, but if you want an alternative delivery system for algae, the herbivore blend is pretty good, too. I feed once a day, probably 4-5 days per week. Sometimes a little flake or pellet in there, maybe once/week. Now they all eat the nori, so I don't feed any flake or pellet, but I only put a little nori in once a week or so. I haven't lost any fish in about 1-1/2 years, so even though I don't feed a lot, they must be doing OK on this diet.

HTH

sb62nova · 02/05/2010, 07:39 PM

put some nori in there.... and hes is finally interested in it. He wont eat of the clip, but is taking the small pieces that float by. Thanks again for all the help!

undrtkr_00 · 02/05/2010, 07:51 PM

Glad to hear. He'll probably figure out the clip thing eventually if he his eating as it floats.

02/05/2010, 04:37 PM	#1
sb62nova Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Third Lake IL Posts: 312	new tang Bought a goldrim tang last week. He seems to be doing great, and very happy in the tank. He picks at the live rock all day long, but wont take anything we offer him. Hes afraid of the clip... and when I put seaweed strips on the rock he wont even go near it. Everything I've seen and read says this is how they are. Just wanted to make sure he is getting enough. I know he still needs time to adjust to his new home and all, but was just wondering what you guys think and have experienced. Thanks!

02/05/2010, 04:45 PM	#2
Shane Hoffman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 45 mins from Chicago Posts: 2,009	If you have enough algae on your rocks he MAY be ok for a while. Continue to offer him food daily or atleast every other day. Try different types of frozen flakes and pellets until you get something that interests him. I would continue to try attaching nori to the rock, eventually he should work up the courage to try it and realize he likes it. Also, try soaking bothe the food you feed and the nori in selcon or zoecon and garlic. Good luck. If after several days you dont notice him losing weight or thinning out in the belly (it should be nice and round) chances are he is getting what he needs off of the rocks at the moment. __________________ A wise man once said "Never play leap frog with a unicorn" Current Tank Info: 150 gallon glass with 20 gallon sump, 175lbs of coraline covered live rock, EuroReef skimmer rated for 250gal, 25watt Aqua UV sterilizer, Fluval FX5, Hamilton 3x250watt MH, 160 watt Blue actinic....Mixed reef

02/05/2010, 04:49 PM	#4
jmski333 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 494	was he eating the the pet store? __________________ -Jordan- Current Tank Info: 90RR mixed reef

02/05/2010, 05:08 PM	#6
sb62nova Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Third Lake IL Posts: 312	.................. Last edited by sb62nova; 02/05/2010 at 05:10 PM. Reason: POd double post.........

02/05/2010, 05:13 PM	#7
jmski333 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 494	dont worry about it, tons of people dont quarantine their fish. Its just not recommended, especially for tangs. But like i said, dont worry. __________________ -Jordan- Current Tank Info: 90RR mixed reef

02/05/2010, 05:30 PM	#8
garzaci Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Richlands, NC Posts: 241	Don't worry about it. As much as people preach QT, QT, QT I think its safe to assume quite a bit of people here don't have a QT tank themselves. I agree its something that should be done but what newbi has the knowledge to purchase one when they buy their first tank. Unless you start off looking here before you make your first purchase you would have no clue. I'm afraid not all LFSs take the time to explain the importance to their customers. And I'm sure a great percentage of newbis see a fish store and decide its something they want to do without ever creating an account on RC and seeing if their is anything their LFS is leaving out. Mr WOODEN REEFER, you should consider being a little more courteous to someone asking for help instead of immediately insulting. Everyone has to learn new things in this hobby and turning a newbi off is not the way to promote and increase the knowledge. Do you immediately insult someone you meet on the streets or is this a way to prove your manhood on a website where you don't ever have to come face to face with another person. I would guess the latter since I haven't talked to many professional boxers, fighters, criminals, or soldiers on this site. __________________ Carlos No tank at all. Sold everything when I got stationed in Okinawa. Planning for when I return though. Current Tank Info: 20 gal reef tank

02/05/2010, 05:36 PM	#9
SNAKEMANVET PREMIUM MEMBER Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: TRENTON Tn Posts: 4,486	Sure qt is good,but sometimes it is more stressful for the fish.I have no qt setup.It is most likely still adjusting to it's new home.

02/05/2010, 05:39 PM	#10
jmski333 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 494	i feel like QT is most critical for more established tank where a $40 tang is small potatoes compared to the amount of money you have in corals and other fish. but for a newer tank > 6months most people take the risk. __________________ -Jordan- Current Tank Info: 90RR mixed reef

02/05/2010, 05:44 PM	#11
sb62nova Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Third Lake IL Posts: 312	thanks all for the replies. well put!

02/05/2010, 06:13 PM	#13
garzaci Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Richlands, NC Posts: 241	10-4. You're right. We're wrong. Its mandatory for everyone to have a QT. Even if all I have in my tank is LR then I need to QT my first fish because if not my rock ones the risk of dieing and ill have to get new ones. Understood! Just out of curiosity though. What is your expert testimony on an individual taking wild samples of grunge from the ocean? I'm sure that introduces billions of organisms that are unknown. I would call it diversifying your tankm. How about you? Should they QT it first to make sure none of it is parasites or diseases? Just wondering. __________________ Carlos No tank at all. Sold everything when I got stationed in Okinawa. Planning for when I return though. Current Tank Info: 20 gal reef tank

02/05/2010, 06:48 PM	#15
Engine8ff Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hertford, NC Posts: 400	To get back to the subject of his tang not eating nori, just keep offering and make sure you put in the same place everytime you offer it so the fish will grow accustom to it being there. I picked up a nice 9" naso from divers den and it took him about a week to start eating nori, my yellow tang never ate it in qt but once he went into the big tank and seen the others eating it he wanted it the same went for my yellow eye kole. Make sure you soak your nori in some kind of vita solution and add a drip or two of garlic. I think once he sees it in the same spot day after day he will grow curious and take a bite. Good luck and keep us posted. __________________ Back at it with a 150DD setting up with Apex, Octo, Mag Drive, BRS, MH and T5 and all the other cool stuff.

02/05/2010, 07:06 PM	#17
one clownfish Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 279	I'm sure you've heard enough about quarantine and your right,your new and I guarantee this won't be the last mistake you or anyone else for that matter will make. When I got my tangs the only way I could get them to start eating was to put pieces of algae between the LR. It was only a few days after that they were at the top eating with all the other fish. Good Luck

02/05/2010, 07:12 PM	#19
sb62nova Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Third Lake IL Posts: 312	think twice? or what. id love to be in a room with some people.lol. any way its the way he goes about it "you scare me" its childish. just drop it if you want drama go somewhere else maybe........face book, twitter or something. there are less ** talkers on the drag racing forum im on.... and that's hard to beat. Just explain dont be a smart * so back to the post being a delicate fish i am trying to learn how to take care of it. what is the difference between brown, green , red nori. any pref. for the fish? Thanks guys have fun and relax...... im trying to learn.

02/05/2010, 07:23 PM	#22
sb62nova Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Third Lake IL Posts: 312	undrtkr what did you offer in the meantime? does anyone use rods orig. food and how often do you feed? http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f6...ang-48574.html funny direct and to the point.

02/05/2010, 07:39 PM	#24
sb62nova Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Third Lake IL Posts: 312	put some nori in there.... and hes is finally interested in it. He wont eat of the clip, but is taking the small pieces that float by. Thanks again for all the help!

02/05/2010, 07:51 PM	#25
undrtkr_00 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 50	Glad to hear. He'll probably figure out the clip thing eventually if he his eating as it floats.