Level-Loc ATO or Autotopoff.com DS1

03sonicstang · 05/24/2010, 11:58 AM

Good afternoon; I need some advise. I'm planning my ATO and I've been going back and forth with my options.

Use a Reservoir under the tank (I think 5 gallons may be the only thing I can fit) and use the Autotopoff.com Dual switch method. I would run a Line behind the tank with a manual Valve to fill the Reservoir with Fresh RO/DI water.

http://www.autotopoff.com/products/DS1/

Or run my RO/DI direct to the Level Loc system and run the Solenoid to my ACjr so the Solenoid is on for a coupe minute ever hour hours...That's three methods of redundancy....still a little leery

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/...o-systems.html

Thanks for your opinion

03sonicstang · 05/24/2010, 11:59 AM

Oh and the tank is a 180 Gallon with a 40 gallon sump

03sonicstang · 05/25/2010, 07:42 PM

So I'm leaning toward the Level Loc System; I'm a betting man and (3) things are very unlikely to fail together!!!!

Any thoughts are really appreciated!

rogerwilco357 · 05/26/2010, 12:01 AM

I too face the same dilemma will watch to see what answers you get if you do go the level loc way let me know how it works out for you/
Roger

Shard · 05/26/2010, 12:09 AM

I personally use 1 switch connected to my controller, which runs a Tom's Aqua-lifter pump that sits on top of a 5 gallon bucket.

Exactly what are you worried about? The ATO sticking and causing a flood, the ATO not working to top-off, or both?

Personally I would go with the autotopoff.com option, since I would be cautious of connecting a limitless supply line from the RO/DI to a float valve.

I see you talk about using a solenoid to only have the line open for a limited amount of time, but why not just go with the more economical option? It appears the autotopoff.com unit will cost you less than the other. One advantage of using a reservoir system, is you can measure the amount of evaporation you are having each day. You can't do that with a direct RO/DI line.

03sonicstang · 05/26/2010, 06:58 AM

Thank for the response Shard, The Level Loc at Bulk Reef Supplies has a Float Valve, then a Backup Float switch connected to an Electronic Solenoid, then I would connect the solenoid to my ACjr to let it open for about 3 minutes ever 4 hours or so...

I'm just scared to connect it direct to my RO system for the obvious reasons

Level Loc's directly connect RO systems to aquariums to automate top off and eliminate the need for large water storage containers. They feature redundant safety measures that ensure complete protection against damaging overflows. These are the only direct RO to tank auto-top off units that BulkReefSupply.com recommends. For more details please see the product description below. Level Loc Auto Features

* Comes fully assembled for quick setup
* Adjustable float valve
* Backup float switch provides redundant protection
* Eliminates space consuming water storage tank
* Automates top-off water chore
* Add a digital timer for extra protection

03sonicstang · 05/26/2010, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerwilco357

I too face the same dilemma will watch to see what answers you get if you do go the level loc way let me know how it works out for you/
Roger

Will do; thanks

tkeracer619 · 05/26/2010, 09:16 AM

I have used both. They both work well.

If you are going direct connect get the level loc. If you go with the autotopoff.com solution you will need solenoids and then a float in your sump for backup.

I use the autotopoff.com system directly connected to my ro. I have dual solenoids and a float.

Never run a ato direct without a float valve for backup.

03sonicstang · 05/26/2010, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkeracer619

I have used both. They both work well.

If you are going direct connect get the level loc. If you go with the autotopoff.com solution you will need solenoids and then a float in your sump for backup.

I use the autotopoff.com system directly connected to my ro. I have dual solenoids and a float.

Never run a ato direct without a float valve for backup.

Thanks; I think I'm going with the Level Loc as its got the float and solenoid. All in one package.

03sonicstang · 05/26/2010, 10:02 AM

But The autotop.com dual with a Solenoid and connection to the ACjr I would have (4) methods of redundancy.....options..they drive me crazy

Shard · 05/26/2010, 10:35 PM

The Level Loc does seem like the better option for you now. It will save you space, and short of needing to know the amount of evaporation you are having each day there isn't really a need for the reservoir system.

I take it you can install the line from the RO somewhere it isn't visible or sticks out, and using this method, you won't have to constantly fill a reservoir. Less upkeep is better if you are taxed for time.

At some point I think the multiple redundancy becomes... well.. redundant

Let us know what you decide.

03sonicstang · 05/27/2010, 07:06 AM

Thanks again for your response Shard. I've ordered the Level Loc system and a 75 gph Deluxe 5 stage RO/DI from Bulk Reef Supply this morning. I'll let everyone know how things turn out. Thanks for all the suggestions.

tatkins99 · 08/31/2010, 07:29 PM

How did it work out? I'm considering the same thing.

03sonicstang · 08/31/2010, 07:46 PM

I love this accessory; it's been running for 5 weeks and the salinity is rock solid. I have it connected to my Aqua Jr and it runs three different times a day for 15 minutes each. I'm also going to get a Leak Detector from BRS for an extra level of protection. If you have any questions let me know. Tom

tatkins99 · 09/01/2010, 03:52 PM

Cool! I may be traveling a little so having a reliable ATO will be essential for me. I plan on hooking it up to my AC3 (when I can find a DC8 for less than $100)

Thanks!

jefathome · 09/01/2010, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkeracer619

I have used both. They both work well.

I use the autotopoff.com system directly connected to my ro. I have dual solenoids and a float.

I bought the Autotop-off unit and it never worked from day-1.

WestTexasReefer · 09/01/2010, 04:14 PM

I have been using the Level Loc tied to my RO system for several months now with no issues. I have the solenoid plugged into a timer so water can only enter for 3 minutes at a time every 8 hours which has been plenty. I could probably cut back to twice a day with no issues.

LifeAquatic · 09/01/2010, 06:30 PM

Tunze Osmolator... Best top Off System hands down.

cakemanPA · 09/01/2010, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifeaquatic

tunze osmolator... Best top off system hands down.

^^^^^+1^^^^^

tatkins99 · 09/01/2010, 07:22 PM

....and MOST expensive.....

jeffreylam1132 · 12/13/2010, 05:51 AM

Any update on what you decide to do? I am in the process of setting up a ATO and would like some ideas.

MJinMN · 12/13/2010, 08:47 AM

I have also been reading up on the new ATO by Genesis Reef Systems, and liked that they also have an auto-water change module....

oscar.millan · 12/13/2010, 11:22 AM

Is the Tunze osmolator cost prohibitive? Or are you looking for additional function?

03sonicstang · 12/13/2010, 12:29 PM

I've been using the Level Loc for 21 weeks. Salinity has stayed at .026 consistently. One of the best accessories I've purchased

05/24/2010, 11:58 AM	#1
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	Level-Loc ATO or Autotopoff.com DS1 Good afternoon; I need some advise. I'm planning my ATO and I've been going back and forth with my options. Use a Reservoir under the tank (I think 5 gallons may be the only thing I can fit) and use the Autotopoff.com Dual switch method. I would run a Line behind the tank with a manual Valve to fill the Reservoir with Fresh RO/DI water. http://www.autotopoff.com/products/DS1/ Or run my RO/DI direct to the Level Loc system and run the Solenoid to my ACjr so the Solenoid is on for a coupe minute ever hour hours...That's three methods of redundancy....still a little leery http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/...o-systems.html Thanks for your opinion

05/26/2010, 12:01 AM	#4
rogerwilco357 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: michigan Posts: 1,391	in the same boat I too face the same dilemma will watch to see what answers you get if you do go the level loc way let me know how it works out for you/ Roger __________________ hook line and sinker Current Tank Info: 2x2x4 120gal,sump45 gal.RKE controller,ATI Powermodule 8x80watt,1MP20+2MP40,1 mp10,RoyalExclusive Alpha200

05/26/2010, 12:09 AM	#5
Shard Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Valdosta, GA Posts: 624	I personally use 1 switch connected to my controller, which runs a Tom's Aqua-lifter pump that sits on top of a 5 gallon bucket. Exactly what are you worried about? The ATO sticking and causing a flood, the ATO not working to top-off, or both? Personally I would go with the autotopoff.com option, since I would be cautious of connecting a limitless supply line from the RO/DI to a float valve. I see you talk about using a solenoid to only have the line open for a limited amount of time, but why not just go with the more economical option? It appears the autotopoff.com unit will cost you less than the other. One advantage of using a reservoir system, is you can measure the amount of evaporation you are having each day. You can't do that with a direct RO/DI line. __________________ University: Biology M.S. - 2012, M.D. 2015 Tanks: (2) 28g Nanocube 150w MH HQI - 18w Actinic CF 29g Blue Spotted Jawfish Tank

05/26/2010, 09:16 AM	#8
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	I have used both. They both work well. If you are going direct connect get the level loc. If you go with the autotopoff.com solution you will need solenoids and then a float in your sump for backup. I use the autotopoff.com system directly connected to my ro. I have dual solenoids and a float. Never run a ato direct without a float valve for backup. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

05/26/2010, 10:02 AM	#10
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	But The autotop.com dual with a Solenoid and connection to the ACjr I would have (4) methods of redundancy.....options..they drive me crazy Last edited by 03sonicstang; 05/26/2010 at 10:10 AM.

05/24/2010, 11:59 AM	#2
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	Oh and the tank is a 180 Gallon with a 40 gallon sump

05/25/2010, 07:42 PM	#3
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	So I'm leaning toward the Level Loc System; I'm a betting man and (3) things are very unlikely to fail together!!!! Any thoughts are really appreciated!

05/26/2010, 06:58 AM	#6
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	Thank for the response Shard, The Level Loc at Bulk Reef Supplies has a Float Valve, then a Backup Float switch connected to an Electronic Solenoid, then I would connect the solenoid to my ACjr to let it open for about 3 minutes ever 4 hours or so... I'm just scared to connect it direct to my RO system for the obvious reasons Level Loc's directly connect RO systems to aquariums to automate top off and eliminate the need for large water storage containers. They feature redundant safety measures that ensure complete protection against damaging overflows. These are the only direct RO to tank auto-top off units that BulkReefSupply.com recommends. For more details please see the product description below. Level Loc Auto Features * Comes fully assembled for quick setup * Adjustable float valve * Backup float switch provides redundant protection * Eliminates space consuming water storage tank * Automates top-off water chore * Add a digital timer for extra protection

05/26/2010, 10:35 PM	#11
Shard Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Valdosta, GA Posts: 624	The Level Loc does seem like the better option for you now. It will save you space, and short of needing to know the amount of evaporation you are having each day there isn't really a need for the reservoir system. I take it you can install the line from the RO somewhere it isn't visible or sticks out, and using this method, you won't have to constantly fill a reservoir. Less upkeep is better if you are taxed for time. At some point I think the multiple redundancy becomes... well.. redundant Let us know what you decide. __________________ University: Biology M.S. - 2012, M.D. 2015 Tanks: (2) 28g Nanocube 150w MH HQI - 18w Actinic CF 29g Blue Spotted Jawfish Tank

05/27/2010, 07:06 AM	#12
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	Thanks again for your response Shard. I've ordered the Level Loc system and a 75 gph Deluxe 5 stage RO/DI from Bulk Reef Supply this morning. I'll let everyone know how things turn out. Thanks for all the suggestions.

08/31/2010, 07:29 PM	#13
tatkins99 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New Tampa, FL Posts: 333	How did it work out? I'm considering the same thing.

08/31/2010, 07:46 PM	#14
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	I love this accessory; it's been running for 5 weeks and the salinity is rock solid. I have it connected to my Aqua Jr and it runs three different times a day for 15 minutes each. I'm also going to get a Leak Detector from BRS for an extra level of protection. If you have any questions let me know. Tom

09/01/2010, 03:52 PM	#15
tatkins99 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New Tampa, FL Posts: 333	Cool! I may be traveling a little so having a reliable ATO will be essential for me. I plan on hooking it up to my AC3 (when I can find a DC8 for less than $100) Thanks!

09/01/2010, 04:14 PM	#17
WestTexasReefer Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 243	I have been using the Level Loc tied to my RO system for several months now with no issues. I have the solenoid plugged into a timer so water can only enter for 3 minutes at a time every 8 hours which has been plenty. I could probably cut back to twice a day with no issues. __________________ Jeff Current Tank Info: 180 gallon brick with Aqua Illumination LED lights

09/01/2010, 06:30 PM	#18
LifeAquatic Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 922	Tunze Osmolator... Best top Off System hands down.

09/01/2010, 07:22 PM	#20
tatkins99 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New Tampa, FL Posts: 333	....and MOST expensive.....

12/13/2010, 05:51 AM	#21
jeffreylam1132 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rosemead, CA Posts: 2,658	Any update on what you decide to do? I am in the process of setting up a ATO and would like some ideas. __________________ SCRK, SFVR, SCMAS & LARS Member Current Tank Info: Tankless

12/13/2010, 08:47 AM	#22
MJinMN Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 62	I have also been reading up on the new ATO by Genesis Reef Systems, and liked that they also have an auto-water change module....

12/13/2010, 11:22 AM	#23
oscar.millan Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,003	Is the Tunze osmolator cost prohibitive? Or are you looking for additional function? __________________ "Let the future tell the truth and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine." -Tesla Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef, 90g rimless cube.

12/13/2010, 12:29 PM	#24
03sonicstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 500	I've been using the Level Loc for 21 weeks. Salinity has stayed at .026 consistently. One of the best accessories I've purchased

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