Do pods survive hyposalinity?

Palting · 08/14/2010, 12:25 PM

I'm afraid I may know the answer. Anyway, I have all my fish in 1.009-1.010 SG for Ich therapy. They all seem pretty content and happy. Eating like the pigs that they are. Even the Mandarin dragonet is happily pecking and hunting. I just realized today, hunting and pecking what? Do pods survive in hyposalinity? Is there anything that survives that the dragonet can eat? He won't eat prepared foods.

MCCOOL · 08/14/2010, 12:50 PM

no, they will not from everything i've read.

I have no idea what he could be pecking at.

James404 · 08/14/2010, 12:57 PM

That makes me wonder, do you really need to pull a mandarin from a DT when going fallow? Since their slime coating makes them pretty much immune to ich I wonder if it is actually neccessary.

Palting · 08/14/2010, 01:09 PM

I just put ALL the fish in hypo as a general rule. Reportedly, no fish is immune, just that some are more susceptible than others.

I am, however, worried about the little guy. I don't want him to starve to death. OTOH, I am going through this huge circus of treating all my fish, and I'd hate to compromise it by making an exception with the little guy.

MCCOOL · 08/14/2010, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palting

I just put ALL the fish in hypo as a general rule. Reportedly, no fish is immune, just that some are more susceptible than others.

Agreed, they might not be as susceptible as other fish, but I'd still fear they could carry the parasite.

Have you considered treating him with copper in a separate container so you could then move him to a separate QT with live rock to pick on? the copper treatment only takes 14 days as opposed to hypo.

Palting · 08/14/2010, 02:02 PM

AFAIK, copper treatment to be effective needs 4 weeks minimum, preferably 6, due to the life cycle of the Cryptocaryon. Copper attacks the free swimming stage, hypo the cyst stage, so all the Ich have to go through the cycle for the treatment to work at the appropriate stage. That cycle is 4 weeks from one end to the other.

The more I think about it, the more PO'd I get. That dragonete was one of my first fish. Not knowing any better, I got him when my tank had not even cycled. By some miracle, he survived my stupidity. Now, I may kill him with this treatment. Dang it! It's not fair!

James404 · 08/14/2010, 02:33 PM

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with not taking any chances, was really just curious about the thoughts on this.

Palting · 08/14/2010, 03:17 PM

I hear you, James. Well, he survived a cycling tank, maybe he'll survive a hypo tank. Fingers crossed.

MCCOOL · 08/14/2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palting

AFAIK, copper treatment to be effective needs 4 weeks minimum, preferably 6, due to the life cycle of the Cryptocaryon. Copper attacks the free swimming stage, hypo the cyst stage, so all the Ich have to go through the cycle for the treatment to work at the appropriate stage. That cycle is 4 weeks from one end to the other.

The more I think about it, the more PO'd I get. That dragonete was one of my first fish. Not knowing any better, I got him when my tank had not even cycled. By some miracle, he survived my stupidity. Now, I may kill him with this treatment. Dang it! It's not fair!

Hmmm, I wasn't aware of this, the Cupramine bottle I used said 14 days on it, apparently I need to read up on it a little more.

Jstdv8 · 08/14/2010, 04:05 PM

my mandarin eats anything i put in the tank

Most fish can go at least two weeks without eating. If you see him getting real thin while he's in QT then I'd consider trying a different diet or just go ahead and put him intot he DT. Allthough they can carry ich thier slime coat usually prevents it. So that fish would be the one where if you were having troubles with his health you could probbaly get away with puting him back in the DT as a last resort.

Palting · 08/14/2010, 04:47 PM

Ooooh, very tempting. He's still pecking at somethings, so he's eating something. I'll continue to drop foods, and kinda spot feed in front of him, and see.

Scuba_Steve · 08/14/2010, 11:33 PM

Here is what I would do. Pull water with a turkey baster from your refugium, right in cheato somewhere. Try to target feed him that water. The pods should at least survive for a little while, and he may not thrive, but should get a little something to eat. Just dont allow it to raise your salinity...

Palting · 08/15/2010, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Here is what I would do. Pull water with a turkey baster from your refugium, right in cheato somewhere. Try to target feed him that water. The pods should at least survive for a little while, and he may not thrive, but should get a little something to eat. Just dont allow it to raise your salinity...

That's an idea. One problem I see, though, is that my refugium is currently hooked up to a tank with live rock that came from the original tank with Ich. I am treating those by letting that tank/liverock go fishless for the 4-6 weeks as well. If I take water from there, it may introduce free-swimming Ich, or some cross-contamination, rendering this whole hyposalinity/fishless combo treatment futile.

Palting · 08/18/2010, 12:07 PM

Found it! Brine shrimp eggs!! Soak in fresh water overnight, then place in tank. Dragonete had a feast! HE LIVES!!!!!!

08/14/2010, 12:25 PM	#1
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	Do pods survive hyposalinity? I'm afraid I may know the answer. Anyway, I have all my fish in 1.009-1.010 SG for Ich therapy. They all seem pretty content and happy. Eating like the pigs that they are. Even the Mandarin dragonet is happily pecking and hunting. I just realized today, hunting and pecking what? Do pods survive in hyposalinity? Is there anything that survives that the dragonet can eat? He won't eat prepared foods. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

08/14/2010, 12:57 PM	#3
James404 I <3 Acros Join Date: May 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,523	That makes me wonder, do you really need to pull a mandarin from a DT when going fallow? Since their slime coating makes them pretty much immune to ich I wonder if it is actually neccessary. __________________ 80g Deep Blue Rimless - http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651295 225g Reef Savvy SPS Dominant - Retired http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1945361

08/14/2010, 01:09 PM	#4
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	I just put ALL the fish in hypo as a general rule. Reportedly, no fish is immune, just that some are more susceptible than others. I am, however, worried about the little guy. I don't want him to starve to death. OTOH, I am going through this huge circus of treating all my fish, and I'd hate to compromise it by making an exception with the little guy. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

08/14/2010, 02:02 PM	#6
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	AFAIK, copper treatment to be effective needs 4 weeks minimum, preferably 6, due to the life cycle of the Cryptocaryon. Copper attacks the free swimming stage, hypo the cyst stage, so all the Ich have to go through the cycle for the treatment to work at the appropriate stage. That cycle is 4 weeks from one end to the other. The more I think about it, the more PO'd I get. That dragonete was one of my first fish. Not knowing any better, I got him when my tank had not even cycled. By some miracle, he survived my stupidity. Now, I may kill him with this treatment. Dang it! It's not fair! __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

08/14/2010, 02:33 PM	#7
James404 I <3 Acros Join Date: May 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,523	Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with not taking any chances, was really just curious about the thoughts on this. __________________ 80g Deep Blue Rimless - http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651295 225g Reef Savvy SPS Dominant - Retired http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1945361

08/14/2010, 12:50 PM	#2
MCCOOL Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,135	no, they will not from everything i've read. I have no idea what he could be pecking at.

08/14/2010, 03:17 PM	#8
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	I hear you, James. Well, he survived a cycling tank, maybe he'll survive a hypo tank. Fingers crossed. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

08/14/2010, 04:05 PM	#10
Jstdv8 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wasilla, Alaska Posts: 1,420	my mandarin eats anything i put in the tank Most fish can go at least two weeks without eating. If you see him getting real thin while he's in QT then I'd consider trying a different diet or just go ahead and put him intot he DT. Allthough they can carry ich thier slime coat usually prevents it. So that fish would be the one where if you were having troubles with his health you could probbaly get away with puting him back in the DT as a last resort.

08/14/2010, 04:47 PM	#11
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	Ooooh, very tempting. He's still pecking at somethings, so he's eating something. I'll continue to drop foods, and kinda spot feed in front of him, and see. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

08/14/2010, 11:33 PM	#12
Scuba_Steve Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pooler, Ga Posts: 1,342	Here is what I would do. Pull water with a turkey baster from your refugium, right in cheato somewhere. Try to target feed him that water. The pods should at least survive for a little while, and he may not thrive, but should get a little something to eat. Just dont allow it to raise your salinity... __________________ 40g DIY AIO. DT Size is 27"x18"x17" SCA-301 skimmer, DIY ATS 4"x4" 1 cube setup, Ocean Revive 120w LED, Quiet One 3000, Jager 150w TBS Rock

08/18/2010, 12:07 PM	#14
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	Found it! Brine shrimp eggs!! Soak in fresh water overnight, then place in tank. Dragonete had a feast! HE LIVES!!!!!! __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

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