Dying fish help needed

gillian727 · 10/17/2010, 11:08 PM

haven't been doing this long got blue damsels and Clark clowns about 2 weeks ago ,touch and go with the anemone ,put 2 yellow tangs and coral beauty in yesterday guy i deal with said fine ,did partial water change Friday all tests look good now coral has nose dived to the bottom blue damsels are also gasping on the bottom need help desperately please

samdaman · 10/17/2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gillian727

haven't been doing this long got blue damsels and Clark clowns about 2 weeks ago ,touch and go with the anemone ,put 2 yellow tangs and coral beauty in yesterday guy i deal with said fine ,did partial water change Friday all tests look good now coral has nose dived to the bottom blue damsels are also gasping on the bottom need help desperately please

A little more info, tank size, are all those the only fish, how long has it been running.. Is there enough flow to create oxygen, you might wanna slow down when adding stuff..

steelhead77 · 10/17/2010, 11:15 PM

How old is the tank? How big is the tank? What kind of filtration? Live rock? Water params, with numbers. Without any of this info, it's hard to help, but it sounds like too much, too soon. Your biological filtration has likely not kept up with the new bio-load.

gillian727 · 10/17/2010, 11:26 PM

55 gallon tank, 55lbs of live rock, fluval 350 filtration.

Running for 6 1/2 weeks.

steelhead77 · 10/17/2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gillian727

55 gallon tank, 55lbs of live rock, fluval 350 filtration.

Running for 6 1/2 weeks.

Definitely too much livestock too soon. An anemone should not be in your tank at this time. Minimum 6 months is the rule. Slow down. Damsels, Clowns, two Yellow Tangs and a Coral beauty is way too much fish for a 6 week old 55.

kass03 · 10/17/2010, 11:39 PM

You need to slow way down. Everytime you ad something to the tank it will go through a mini cycle because the bacteria have to catch up to the load. It could last 5 minutes or it could be much longer.
You should never ad an anemone to a new tank. The tank should be at least 6 months old or longer.
Id check your pars again as it might be cycling again.
Never put 2 tangs of the same species in together they will fight. Tangs need a bigger tank than a 55 anyway.
You could try adding some amquel plus (be sure its the plus and do what the direstions say) if the ammonia or nitrate is up again.
When adding fish to a new tank you should ad 1 and then wait a few weeks before adding another.
I'd suggest you do alot more reading here.
My 55 has been a reef for 27 years and I only have 5 fish in it. You dont want to overload it and saltwater fish need a lot of room as they have territories.

GL
kass

gillian727 · 10/17/2010, 11:53 PM

Thanks for the help.

I guess I'm getting very bad advice from my "so called" fish expert.

My fish guy said he had the anemone in the shop for a few months and that the tangs would be fine(both species and tank size wise).

lordofthereef · 10/18/2010, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by steelhead77

Definitely too much livestock too soon. An anemone should not be in your tank at this time. Minimum 6 months is the rule. Slow down. Damsels, Clowns, two Yellow Tangs and a Coral beauty is way too much fish for a 6 week old 55.

Way too many fish for a 55g, PERIOD in my opinion...

Conrad25 · 10/18/2010, 07:22 AM

Thats way too much. Not to mention you will want a bigger tank long term for tangs. Especially if you have more than one. Anemones are not something you add to the tank right away. Not to mention what kind of lighting do you have for it? It could be the anemone alone that is cycling that tank. Ive seen a lot of LFS give bad advice. You are best off looking online or asking us for advice on what to get and make sure your patient as that is the key to success in this hobby. Its been 9 months and I'm finally going to have my first anemone this coming week.

Conrad

Palting · 10/18/2010, 07:45 AM

Yup, problem as above. To help alleviate it, do frequent water changes, +/1 Amquel. Hope your fish make it. Or, return a few to the LFS uintil you can add them in a week or 2.

GhostCon1 · 10/18/2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gillian727

Thanks for the help.

I guess I'm getting very bad advice from my "so called" fish expert.

My fish guy said he had the anemone in the shop for a few months and that the tangs would be fine(both species and tank size wise).

Stop doing business with him, or just stop listening to him if he has good deals/healthy animals.

lordofthereef · 10/18/2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostCon1

Stop doing business with him, or just stop listening to him if he has good deals/healthy animals.

What are the odds of that if this is how he is telling this guy to stock his tank?

10/17/2010, 11:08 PM	#1
gillian727 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	Dying fish help needed haven't been doing this long got blue damsels and Clark clowns about 2 weeks ago ,touch and go with the anemone ,put 2 yellow tangs and coral beauty in yesterday guy i deal with said fine ,did partial water change Friday all tests look good now coral has nose dived to the bottom blue damsels are also gasping on the bottom need help desperately please

10/17/2010, 11:15 PM	#3
steelhead77 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 1,117	How old is the tank? How big is the tank? What kind of filtration? Live rock? Water params, with numbers. Without any of this info, it's hard to help, but it sounds like too much, too soon. Your biological filtration has likely not kept up with the new bio-load. __________________ This really isn't rocket science - it's more like marine biology. Current tank info: 180 gallon AGA, 40 gallon custom sump, AquaC EV240 skimmer, PM calc reactor, 3x 250w DIY MH, PCI CL-650 Chiller, 2x Koralia 4's, 2x Koralia 2's

10/18/2010, 07:45 AM	#10
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	Yup, problem as above. To help alleviate it, do frequent water changes, +/1 Amquel. Hope your fish make it. Or, return a few to the LFS uintil you can add them in a week or 2. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

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10/17/2010, 11:26 PM	#4
gillian727 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	55 gallon tank, 55lbs of live rock, fluval 350 filtration. Running for 6 1/2 weeks.

10/17/2010, 11:39 PM	#6
kass03 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kaukauna, Wi Posts: 2,937	You need to slow way down. Everytime you ad something to the tank it will go through a mini cycle because the bacteria have to catch up to the load. It could last 5 minutes or it could be much longer. You should never ad an anemone to a new tank. The tank should be at least 6 months old or longer. Id check your pars again as it might be cycling again. Never put 2 tangs of the same species in together they will fight. Tangs need a bigger tank than a 55 anyway. You could try adding some amquel plus (be sure its the plus and do what the direstions say) if the ammonia or nitrate is up again. When adding fish to a new tank you should ad 1 and then wait a few weeks before adding another. I'd suggest you do alot more reading here. My 55 has been a reef for 27 years and I only have 5 fish in it. You dont want to overload it and saltwater fish need a lot of room as they have territories. GL kass

10/17/2010, 11:53 PM	#7
gillian727 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	Thanks for the help. I guess I'm getting very bad advice from my "so called" fish expert. My fish guy said he had the anemone in the shop for a few months and that the tangs would be fine(both species and tank size wise).

10/18/2010, 07:22 AM	#9
Conrad25 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 556	Thats way too much. Not to mention you will want a bigger tank long term for tangs. Especially if you have more than one. Anemones are not something you add to the tank right away. Not to mention what kind of lighting do you have for it? It could be the anemone alone that is cycling that tank. Ive seen a lot of LFS give bad advice. You are best off looking online or asking us for advice on what to get and make sure your patient as that is the key to success in this hobby. Its been 9 months and I'm finally going to have my first anemone this coming week. Conrad