Unusual Dilemma that Needs Attention!!!

bng.fixious · 04/29/2011, 08:25 AM

guys, i have decided to upgrade my tank to 30 gal and use my 10 gal as a sump. need your opinion on my new project, im thinking of digging a 3 feet deep hole, 1 1/2 width, 2 feet length and place tiles around it. bottomline im contructing a pond which will make my water colder. any thoughts on this? your opinion is very critical and essential.

AaronM · 04/29/2011, 08:30 AM

You'll be putting the sump in the hole? If so why so deep? What'll go in the sump?

ORayRay · 04/29/2011, 08:40 AM

Geothermal cooling?

bnumair · 04/29/2011, 08:48 AM

unusual but need a bit more info. u will be putting the sump in that hole and reason?

thegrun · 04/29/2011, 09:08 AM

You will initially get some cooling, but after a short period of time, the constant temperature of the water in the sump will heat the surrounding soil and only give you minimal cooling.

charleneatkins · 04/29/2011, 09:24 AM

do you live in a cave?

gweston · 04/29/2011, 10:01 AM

Not sure how the 'pond' would be used. Whats the plan?

It may be easier to set up an array of fans over the sump.. when the temp rises, blast the fans across the water. Evaporative cooling is very effective. Just make sure you have an auto-top-off to replace any water lost.

Any controller can turn on the fans when you hit a temp threshold and turn them back off when the temp goes down. ATO wise the same controller would work, or something simpler like a JBJ device.

bnumair · 04/29/2011, 10:38 AM

3 feet deep wont give u any thermal cooling.

disc1 · 04/29/2011, 11:42 AM

I'm not sure what you hope that will accomplish. What you need to do is find a good home for all the stuff in your 10 gallon and go learn how to care for marine animals. You have so many other more important things to worry about right now. Re: your other post.

disc1 · 04/29/2011, 12:02 PM

The real delimma that needs attention is the tang in a ten gallon tank.

peppie · 04/29/2011, 04:14 PM

That sounds like a good idea. But dont line it with tile. Leave it open for about a week or two. Then as the 7 or so fish in your 10 gal tank start to die you will have a place already for them.

IridescentLily · 04/29/2011, 05:19 PM

*headdesk*

roli112 · 04/29/2011, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peppie

That sounds like a good idea. But dont line it with tile. Leave it open for about a week or two. Then as the 7 or so fish in your 10 gal tank start to die you will have a place already for them.

LMFAO

Angel*Fish · 04/29/2011, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegrun

You will initially get some cooling, but after a short period of time, the constant temperature of the water in the sump will heat the surrounding soil and only give you minimal cooling.

What if he re-routes a cool mountain stream through the pond?

disc1 · 04/30/2011, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peppie

that sounds like a good idea. But dont line it with tile. Leave it open for about a week or two. Then as the 7 or so fish in your 10 gal tank start to die you will have a place already for them.

+100 lmfao

DownwardDawg · 04/30/2011, 06:29 AM

Username = = = Being Fictious

AaronM · 04/30/2011, 09:36 AM

How about; If you've made a 'new to the hobby' mistake, like many of us have, and bought the wrong fish/too many, consider returning them or upgrading your tank size.

Digging a hole isn't a great idea, if it was, alot of people would have sump holes under their house. Subterranean sump search result = 0.

Maybe if you buy a bigger tank, you can add a chiller.

Maybe you could point fans at your sump, esp. at the water surface. Like the cheap clip on fans, or some computer fans. Computer fans can be wired to old mobile phone chargers. Downside is, evaporative cooling = more topoff.

Angel*Fish · 04/30/2011, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

How about; If you've made a 'new to the hobby' mistake, like many of us have, and bought the wrong fish/too many, consider returning them or upgrading your tank size.

Digging a hole isn't a great idea, if it was, alot of people would have sump holes under their house. Subterranean sump search result = 0.

Maybe if you buy a bigger tank, you can add a chiller.

Maybe you could point fans at your sump, esp. at the water surface. Like the cheap clip on fans, or some computer fans. Computer fans can be wired to old mobile phone chargers. Downside is, evaporative cooling = more topoff.

None of us has made this kind of mistake. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2012216

I'm still on board with the mountain stream idea, nobody liked it?

IridescentLily · 04/30/2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Username = = = Being Fictious

Bingo.
Must've not had enough spaced to spell it correctly lol.

AaronM · 04/30/2011, 10:03 AM

None of us has made this kind of mistake.

We haven't, but you reckon no one has?

Benefit of the doubt. Dude, have you mucked up or you mucking around?

Post a picture of your tank/fish so we can help...and a pic of your hole/piping.

Angel*Fish · 04/30/2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

None of us has made this kind of mistake.

We haven't, but you reckon no one has?

Benefit of the doubt. Dude, have you mucked up or you mucking around?

Post a picture of your tank/fish so we can help...and a pic of your hole/piping.

Well you're right, it's a really big world, but people have told him what to do and he hasn't replied. If it's true, all these animals are dead now: "essential info: tank 10gal, 1month old, temp 82F, skimmer resun SK-05, actinic blue light, under gravel filter, overhead filter, 3 live rocks, 1 brain coral with worm attached, 2 maybe goniopora coral, 1 bubble coral, 2 unknown corals , 1 clam, bunch of sea grass, 2 percula clown, 1 maroon clown, 1 garden eel, 1 blue fin damsel, 1 golden-head goby, 2 turbo snail, 1 bumblebee snail, 1 boxer shrimp, and 1 powder gray tang."

Maivortex · 04/30/2011, 12:11 PM

get an iceprobe chiller

bng.fixious · 04/30/2011, 01:51 PM

to clarify, im building a pond to make the water cold and not to place a sump inside the hole. i hired a guy on monday to dig a 3-4 feet deep hole and cement it around then tiles over it. im going to upgrade my tank to 30-40 gal customized shape. my 10 gal tank will serve as my sump. if i buy a chiller then there's nothing into it. no challenge at all. i don't want to be like everyone else. im asserting more effort and thoughts to this hobby unlike the others. lets wait and see. ill post some pics when its done and ill keep you guys posted. i hope i prove all the people against me wrong. lets see who has the last laugh.

duncantse · 04/30/2011, 02:25 PM

I don't really understand this. Are you building a pond that is 30 gallons?

DownwardDawg · 04/30/2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bng.fixious

to clarify, im building a pond to make the water cold and not to place a sump inside the hole. i hired a guy on monday to dig a 3-4 feet deep hole and cement it around then tiles over it. im going to upgrade my tank to 30-40 gal customized shape. my 10 gal tank will serve as my sump. if i buy a chiller then there's nothing into it. no challenge at all. i don't want to be like everyone else. im asserting more effort and thoughts to this hobby unlike the others. lets wait and see. ill post some pics when its done and ill keep you guys posted. i hope i prove all the people against me wrong. lets see who has the last laugh.

If your in it to have the last laugh, you are gonna kill a lot of animals. I hope you succeed, for the well being of the animals. It's not about proving anybody wrong.

04/29/2011, 08:25 AM	#1
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	Unusual Dilemma that Needs Attention!!! guys, i have decided to upgrade my tank to 30 gal and use my 10 gal as a sump. need your opinion on my new project, im thinking of digging a 3 feet deep hole, 1 1/2 width, 2 feet length and place tiles around it. bottomline im contructing a pond which will make my water colder. any thoughts on this? your opinion is very critical and essential.

04/29/2011, 08:48 AM	#4
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	unusual but need a bit more info. u will be putting the sump in that hole and reason? __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/29/2011, 09:24 AM	#6
charleneatkins Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: andover ct 06232 Posts: 1,819	do you live in a cave? __________________ Hope keeps things alive and looking forward Current Tank Info: 28,55 & 90g mixed reef,10G FW

04/29/2011, 10:38 AM	#8
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	3 feet deep wont give u any thermal cooling. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/29/2011, 05:19 PM	#12
IridescentLily Editor-Reefkeeping mag Join Date: May 2008 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 3,858 Blog Entries: 5	headdesk __________________ ~April Editor-Reefkeeping Magazine

04/29/2011, 08:30 AM	#2
AaronM Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 480	You'll be putting the sump in the hole? If so why so deep? What'll go in the sump?

04/29/2011, 08:40 AM	#3
ORayRay Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 207	Geothermal cooling?

04/29/2011, 09:08 AM	#5
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	You will initially get some cooling, but after a short period of time, the constant temperature of the water in the sump will heat the surrounding soil and only give you minimal cooling.

04/29/2011, 10:01 AM	#7
gweston Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Gardner, MA Posts: 961	Not sure how the 'pond' would be used. Whats the plan? It may be easier to set up an array of fans over the sump.. when the temp rises, blast the fans across the water. Evaporative cooling is very effective. Just make sure you have an auto-top-off to replace any water lost. Any controller can turn on the fans when you hit a temp threshold and turn them back off when the temp goes down. ATO wise the same controller would work, or something simpler like a JBJ device.

04/29/2011, 11:42 AM	#9
disc1 -RT * ln(k) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock Posts: 9,705	I'm not sure what you hope that will accomplish. What you need to do is find a good home for all the stuff in your 10 gallon and go learn how to care for marine animals. You have so many other more important things to worry about right now. Re: your other post.

04/29/2011, 12:02 PM	#10
disc1 -RT * ln(k) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock Posts: 9,705	The real delimma that needs attention is the tang in a ten gallon tank.

04/29/2011, 04:14 PM	#11
peppie Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,883	That sounds like a good idea. But dont line it with tile. Leave it open for about a week or two. Then as the 7 or so fish in your 10 gal tank start to die you will have a place already for them.

04/30/2011, 06:29 AM	#16
DownwardDawg Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 838	Username = = = Being Fictious __________________ Current Tank: 125 gal mixed reef, 3-250 watt Radiums, T5 actinics, CS2 skimmer, RKL 60 gal "fun tank", 2-Ecotech Radions, Lifereef Overflow, build-in-progress

04/30/2011, 09:36 AM	#17
AaronM Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 480	How about; If you've made a 'new to the hobby' mistake, like many of us have, and bought the wrong fish/too many, consider returning them or upgrading your tank size. Digging a hole isn't a great idea, if it was, alot of people would have sump holes under their house. Subterranean sump search result = 0. Maybe if you buy a bigger tank, you can add a chiller. Maybe you could point fans at your sump, esp. at the water surface. Like the cheap clip on fans, or some computer fans. Computer fans can be wired to old mobile phone chargers. Downside is, evaporative cooling = more topoff.

04/30/2011, 10:03 AM	#20
AaronM Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 480	None of us has made this kind of mistake. We haven't, but you reckon no one has? Benefit of the doubt. Dude, have you mucked up or you mucking around? Post a picture of your tank/fish so we can help...and a pic of your hole/piping.

04/30/2011, 12:11 PM	#22
Maivortex Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PARADISE, us Posts: 666 Blog Entries: 1	get an iceprobe chiller

04/30/2011, 01:51 PM	#23
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	to clarify, im building a pond to make the water cold and not to place a sump inside the hole. i hired a guy on monday to dig a 3-4 feet deep hole and cement it around then tiles over it. im going to upgrade my tank to 30-40 gal customized shape. my 10 gal tank will serve as my sump. if i buy a chiller then there's nothing into it. no challenge at all. i don't want to be like everyone else. im asserting more effort and thoughts to this hobby unlike the others. lets wait and see. ill post some pics when its done and ill keep you guys posted. i hope i prove all the people against me wrong. lets see who has the last laugh.

04/30/2011, 02:25 PM	#24
duncantse Fish Advisor Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,604	I don't really understand this. Are you building a pond that is 30 gallons?

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