qt procedure

daplatapus · 03/05/2012, 07:00 PM

Ok, here's a noob question. I know you're not supposed to put LFS water in with yours. But is there any harm in doing so with your QT tank?
I've never done drip acclimating yet because I haven't been able to get it set up properly. But I guess the question would be the same.
So what I've done up to now is after letting the bag float in the QT for 10 min I usually dump maybe 1/4 of the bag water down the drain and replace the same amount from my tank water. Wait 10 min, replace 1/2 bag water with 1/2 tank water, wait then introduce into tank. I've never lost anything but admittedly I've been getting fairly hardy fish.
At that point can you just dump the bag water into the tank rather than have to subject your fish to a net?

SKurj · 03/05/2012, 07:59 PM

This article sides with you on the addition of a little LFS water:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-0...ture/index.php

daplatapus · 03/05/2012, 09:36 PM

Hmmm, cool article, thanks! I also re-read the sticky on acclimating and I was surprised at how much I didn't remember. LOL, just when you think you know one thing you're reminded of 2 you didn't.

Sk8r · 03/05/2012, 09:39 PM

I just use my hand---except on something like a rabbit fish. It's gentler. There are 2 possible drawbacks to store water: 1) parasites coming in with it. b) copper coming in with it: some stores use it, and they should be willing to tell you so.

daplatapus · 03/05/2012, 10:13 PM

Hmmm, I never thought of what the store might have been treating with. Is it common practice for LFS stores to ship and add amquel or something to the water to deal with the ammonia issue? If they do add amquel, is as critical to remove the fish within 30 min of opening the bag?
After reading your sticky on acclimating sk8r, I think I'll forego the drip and do it the way you stated, but just curious on how amquel would work too.

shaginwagon13 · 03/05/2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8r

I just use my hand---except on something like a rabbit fish. It's gentler. There are 2 possible drawbacks to store water: 1) parasites coming in with it. b) copper coming in with it: some stores use it, and they should be willing to tell you so.

+1

Plus when a fish is in the bag sometimes there is excrement in there as well from the fish after its been in there for a while. You don't copper or parasites as was stated above and you don't want any waste in your system, especially you qt. Take a fish net scoop it out and place it in the Qt.

00Warpig00 · 03/05/2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8r

I just use my hand---except on something like a rabbit fish. It's gentler. There are 2 possible drawbacks to store water: 1) parasites coming in with it. b) copper coming in with it: some stores use it, and they should be willing to tell you so.

If an LFS does use copper in their tanks and they disclose this to you, does this change the acclimation process? does a fish need to be removed from copper slowly? Any special handling required?

I recently almost purchased a fish from a LFS that treats nearly all of their fish in copper. For the sake of the fish and the fact I didn't have the answer already to the previous questions while at the LFS I decided to exercise patience and get the answer before I subjected the fish to my lack of knowledge in this regard.

Nick

shaginwagon13 · 03/05/2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by daplatapus

Hmmm, I never thought of what the store might have been treating with. Is it common practice for LFS stores to ship and add amquel or something to the water to deal with the ammonia issue? If they do add amquel, is as critical to remove the fish within 30 min of opening the bag?
After reading your sticky on acclimating sk8r, I think I'll forego the drip and do it the way you stated, but just curious on how amquel would work too.

To be honest, sk8r will be able to fill you in better but there is something to do with the sudden rise in PH + Ammonia spiking when a fish has been in shipment for a long duration of time. That's why some people state, if you receive a fish that is very sick when it arrives, you want to get it out of the dirty bag water ASAP. Hopefully someone can chime in that can explain the seasoning a little better. I buy my fish locally so this was never a concern for me.

daplatapus · 03/05/2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shaginwagon13

To be honest, sk8r will be able to fill you in better but there is something to do with the sudden rise in PH + Ammonia spiking when a fish has been in shipment for a long duration of time. That's why some people state, if you receive a fish that is very sick when it arrives, you want to get it out of the dirty bag water ASAP. Hopefully someone can chime in that can explain the seasoning a little better. I buy my fish locally so this was never a concern for me.

Yeah, I have no idea how amquel binds with the ammonia in the water so didn't know if that would have any affect on that chemical reaction when the bag was opened.
Hopefully sk8r will chime in.

00warpig00: also a couple good questions I hadn't considered.

shaginwagon13 · 03/05/2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by daplatapus

Yeah, I have no idea how amquel binds with the ammonia in the water so didn't know if that would have any affect on that chemical reaction when the bag was opened.
Hopefully sk8r will chime in.

00warpig00: also a couple good questions I hadn't considered.

Ya sk8r is a smartie.... when she gets back and catches up on this thread I'm sure she will be able to give you the information you need.

03/05/2012, 07:00 PM	#1
daplatapus Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Port Alberni, B.C., Canada Posts: 895	qt procedure Ok, here's a noob question. I know you're not supposed to put LFS water in with yours. But is there any harm in doing so with your QT tank? I've never done drip acclimating yet because I haven't been able to get it set up properly. But I guess the question would be the same. So what I've done up to now is after letting the bag float in the QT for 10 min I usually dump maybe 1/4 of the bag water down the drain and replace the same amount from my tank water. Wait 10 min, replace 1/2 bag water with 1/2 tank water, wait then introduce into tank. I've never lost anything but admittedly I've been getting fairly hardy fish. At that point can you just dump the bag water into the tank rather than have to subject your fish to a net? __________________ 130 lbs Tonga LR, GFO and Carbon reactors, Tunze ozmolator ATO, 2- 20 gal QT tanks, Current Tank Info: 80 gal display 48L X 24H X16D, 2 MP-40's, Odyssea 2-250W MH 4-HO T-5 Actinic's, 80 lbs Aragonite sand, 4 - 150W titanium heaters, Reeflo Baracuda return pump, 150gal sump, Filter Guys Reef Miser 6 stage + 1 Dual RO/DI, LifeReef 48" Skimmer

03/05/2012, 07:59 PM	#2
SKurj Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Oshawa Posts: 539	This article sides with you on the addition of a little LFS water: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-0...ture/index.php __________________ 40g Long since Mar 2012, 20lbs marco rocks, 25lb live rock, Aquamaxx HoB-1, sumpless, CPR Fuge, 4 tube T5HO, Mixed reef, softies and LPS Current Tank Info: 40g Long sumpless

03/05/2012, 09:36 PM	#3
daplatapus Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Port Alberni, B.C., Canada Posts: 895	Hmmm, cool article, thanks! I also re-read the sticky on acclimating and I was surprised at how much I didn't remember. LOL, just when you think you know one thing you're reminded of 2 you didn't. __________________ 130 lbs Tonga LR, GFO and Carbon reactors, Tunze ozmolator ATO, 2- 20 gal QT tanks, Current Tank Info: 80 gal display 48L X 24H X16D, 2 MP-40's, Odyssea 2-250W MH 4-HO T-5 Actinic's, 80 lbs Aragonite sand, 4 - 150W titanium heaters, Reeflo Baracuda return pump, 150gal sump, Filter Guys Reef Miser 6 stage + 1 Dual RO/DI, LifeReef 48" Skimmer

03/05/2012, 09:39 PM	#4
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	I just use my hand---except on something like a rabbit fish. It's gentler. There are 2 possible drawbacks to store water: 1) parasites coming in with it. b) copper coming in with it: some stores use it, and they should be willing to tell you so. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

03/05/2012, 10:13 PM	#5
daplatapus Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Port Alberni, B.C., Canada Posts: 895	Hmmm, I never thought of what the store might have been treating with. Is it common practice for LFS stores to ship and add amquel or something to the water to deal with the ammonia issue? If they do add amquel, is as critical to remove the fish within 30 min of opening the bag? After reading your sticky on acclimating sk8r, I think I'll forego the drip and do it the way you stated, but just curious on how amquel would work too. __________________ 130 lbs Tonga LR, GFO and Carbon reactors, Tunze ozmolator ATO, 2- 20 gal QT tanks, Current Tank Info: 80 gal display 48L X 24H X16D, 2 MP-40's, Odyssea 2-250W MH 4-HO T-5 Actinic's, 80 lbs Aragonite sand, 4 - 150W titanium heaters, Reeflo Baracuda return pump, 150gal sump, Filter Guys Reef Miser 6 stage + 1 Dual RO/DI, LifeReef 48" Skimmer