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Unread 01/29/2013, 01:38 PM   #1
dmazz63
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Hair/bubble algae

Hello all. I am in the process of cycling a new 90 gallon RR in order to transfer the occupants of my 30 gallon into it.
I have some hair and bubble algae on the live rock in my 30 gallon and I was thinking of putting it into the dark sump of the 90 while it's cycling to kill off the algae.
If I do this, could I end up seeding my 90 gallon with hair and bubble algae?
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Unread 01/29/2013, 01:45 PM   #2
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There is no way on earth you can avoid hair and bubble in ANY tank ever built. It comes in on every rock, every specimen, every wet creature you add, and probably from your local air supply.
Managing Algae

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So you had this pristine white tank with beautiful rock shapes...
and then the green stuff took over.
Yep. That's the way it is.
So let's understand what it is, what causes it, and what you do about it that actually works.
1. What is it?
a) pest microalgaes, green film, hair, bubble.
b) floating and rooted macroalgaes, among them cheatomorpha, halimeda, caulerpa
c) things that only look like algae: cyanobacteria, diatoms

a) and b) depend on phosphate. Eliminate phosphate, and you eliminate these algaes. Should you test for phosphate? Surprisingly, no. Not ordinarily. The test costs money and only tells you what you can see when you look at your tank: you have phosphate if you have a) and b) algaes. If they're growing like crazy, you have a LOT of phosphate.

Where does phosphate get into your tank? 1) sand and rock: it binds with sand and rock, and dissolves into saltwater, so there you are. 2) tapwater: if you're not using ro/di, the stuff is likely not only coming into your tank, it's building up and up, because it doesn't evaporate. 3) fishfood that has algae in it.
To get rid of phosphate: 1) use ro/di exclusively; 2) patience---after it leaches out of your rocks, water changes and especially a fuge will rid you of it. 3) a fuge or GFO (granulated ferric oxide) reactor. You set this up, toss the waste or overgrowth, and you've exported the spare phosphate. Ironically, you can even sell it to another reefer, as algae. BUT: use cheato as your fuge algae, never caulerpa!!!!!!

OK: now to fuges and rooted and non-rooted macroalgaes. Avoid caulerpa like the plague. It's illegal in California, it's killing life in the Med, and it reproduces by 1. runner 2 fragment 3 spores, so it CAN get through your fuge pump; it's poisonous and nasty and most things won't eat it. One fish will: the onespot rabbit, but that fish is large (up to 10 inches) and venomous itself, and rowdy. I really, really advise against caulerpa, no matter how cheap and local. Halimeda is a stony rooted macroalgae: I've never found it to be a problem, except it's persistent and nothing I know eats it. Cheatomorpha is a floating macro that is ideal for a fuge: it reproduces much more slowly than caulerpa, and DOES NOT ROOT in your rock. It also aerates very, very efficiently. I keep my fuge lit 24/7.

Now to NON-ALGAES that look like algaes. The red blush on your sand (brown in some lighting) is cyanobacteria, one of the oldest lifeforms on earth. Look it up. It's a read. To get rid of it, first have a really good skimmer; then turn the lights out on your tank 3 days a month (finish with 1 day of actinic only, if you have MH or high-end LED lighting, total of 4 days.) It won't hurt your reef. But it will kill this stuff, which has only 3 life requirements: water, carbon [which is in all living things], and sunlight. Sunlight is all you can rob it of safely. Since it is also the origin of chloroplasts in all living green plants, forget trying to avoid it getting into your tank---just deal with it as it shows up. And avoid having slanted sunlight hitting your tank: this stuff had its heyday in the era of the Permian Extinction, when weird-spectrum sunlight was getting through the clouds. It loves that situation. Keep sunlight from your tank in all seasons, or expect to have a little of this show up. Do NOT use Red Slime remedy as a beginner: that rides beginner's luck to the max, and you can can crash your tank with it if you make a mistake or if your skimmer isn't what it ought to be. A cyano outbreak is soooo minor, and does no real harm, bad as it looks: don't panic. Take the long route, and you'll beat it within a few months.

And diatoms: animacules, as cyano is sorta plant/sorta animal, this stuff is little microscopic animals. A baby-poop-brown fluff or sheet or stain on the sand. Treat it much the same as cyano, but this stuff DOES like phosphate particularly well, so a fuge will help.


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I believe it was Bertoni who said, regarding bubble: It's a phase. Learn to appreciate it as a texture.
I've found visitors often think it's as pretty as any coral.
And it does come and go on its own, despite your best efforts.


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Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low.

Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.
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Unread 01/29/2013, 02:25 PM   #4
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Wow, that was quick. You must have that ready to copy and paste for all us noobs with algae questions!


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Unread 01/29/2013, 02:34 PM   #5
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haha.. He does.. there is a thread up top stickied.. he just cuts and paste... hahaha..

I still read over it every-time he puts it out to see if he changed a word here or there.

Also it helps it stick in my head to NOT do chemo-warfare inside my tank. But to fix what is causing it instead. (Stops me from getting a nuclear device at my LFS when I look over the chemicals and look at the fancy advertising and splashy naming of the bottles)

IMO that is, I only stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.


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