Unsure of HOB Overflow brand, but have a noise issue.!

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 01:53 AM

So here is a picture of my 55g (48x13x20)'s HOB siphon overflow system.. This entire setup was gifted to me (tank, stand, wet/dry, etc) so I'm unsure of any of the manufacturer names, specs, and all that jazz except for the Mag 7 pump I just bought... Well the issue is that my drain seems to be draining to fast and it creates a gargling noise until it has time to catch back up with the intank overflow and that is soooo annoying when I'm trying to sleep... Is there anyway to perhaps slow the draining down so the overflow box on the outside of the tank can fill up a bit more with water before it drains out..?? The water level is about .5"-1" above the drain so it's constantly being sucked out and I can hear it, whereas I see some HOB overflows that are about 2" above the drain and it's a constant silent drain, peaceful, quiet, no noise... Like stated my return pump is a Mag 7 and with my 3-4' head loss I'm still supposed to be well over 300gph so I think this may be the issue since my overflow box is unknown GPH, so does anyone have any tips or perhaps know what kind of overflow this is and what my rating is for GPH so I know if I need to slow down my return or slow down my drain somehow..??

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kimle · 02/27/2013, 02:56 AM

Put a gate valve on the main drain line and also drill another bulkhead on the side of your overflow box. Run that second bulkhead to your sump.

This setup is called a Herbie drain. It's completely silent once you tune the gate valve.

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 04:35 PM

Thank you for the advice..!

Where would that second bulkhead be drilled as far as location, and I assume that means it's ok to drill into the plastic overflow..??

Also, is it ok to cut this type of hose, or do I need to replace it with a different type of hose to add in the gate valve...??

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JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 04:48 PM

Also is the Herbie preferred over the Durso Standpipe..??

EllieSuz · 02/27/2013, 05:06 PM

I have an overflow very much like yours. A Durso standpipe is applicable to a drilled tank, if I'm not mistaken and not an exterior box. I had noise issues when I started out too. Here's my recommendation for two things that will vastly improve the noise problem. First, install a ball valve on the return connection from your pump. This will allow you to adjust the flow. Secondly, get a length of flexible airline tubing and thread it through the hose leading to your sump. Play with the length of it until you find that "sweet spot" that reduces noise. You'll want to affix it to something so it doesn't end up in the sump (learned this one the hard way). This really works, although I have no idea why. Oh, and the same "sweet spot" applies to that ball valve on your return pump. If you play with it a while, you'll find an amount of flow that's just right and reduces noise too.

Dre59 · 02/27/2013, 05:25 PM

Just buy one of these and have more sleep

http://premiumaquatics.com/aquatic-s...s/GEO-SP2.html

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 05:52 PM

Nice find..!! I suppose I could even make that myself to save on time & money.. I've done irrigation work before so I assume it's not much different.. I would just need to find out the measurements right..??

wildman926 · 02/27/2013, 06:44 PM

Anything that draws air, will make noise. If you want completely silent, either put a second drain pipe as mentioned, or buy one. Here is what you are wanting, total silence. Click on the picture to see/hear the video -

degibson84 · 02/27/2013, 06:48 PM

this one is built for HOB style overflows

http://premiumaquatics.com/store/mer...Category_Code=

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 07:13 PM

That's similar to what the other fella posted.. I assume SP1 and SP2 are just the order they were made..?? With SP2 being the newer, quieter version..?? Thanks for the great info..!

degibson84 · 02/27/2013, 07:14 PM

the one he posted was for a standpipe on a bottom drilled tank the one i posted was for HOB overflows

Tuscaquatics · 02/27/2013, 07:36 PM

Crazy enough method that actually works and will help at least for now. Take a standard drinking straw. Take a wooden toothpick. Jam the toothpick through the straw perpendicularly an inch or so from the end. Now drop it in the drain tube so the toothpick holds the straw up in the tube with the tip above the water. See what happens. Report back.

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 08:12 PM

lol I'm gonna try that out now..!!!!

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 08:18 PM

turns out, im strawless =(

Tuscaquatics · 02/27/2013, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM_SOHC

turns out, im strawless =(

I see a milkshake run in your future...

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by degibson84

the one he posted was for a standpipe on a bottom drilled tank the one i posted was for HOB overflows

Ohh ok, thanks for the fix..!!

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuscaquatics

I see a milkshake run in your future...

lmao if I wasn't tryna lose weight i would most def be on a milkshake run right now.!! not fat @ all, but I actually work @ a gym and I'm in a bodyfat loss contest with a few of the trainers haha..

Could I just cut a piece of vinyl tubing like 8" and poke a hole in it with same effect..?

Tuscaquatics · 02/27/2013, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM_SOHC

lmao if I wasn't tryna lose weight i would most def be on a milkshake run right now.!! not fat @ all, but I actually work @ a gym and I'm in a bodyfat loss contest with a few of the trainers haha..

Could I just cut a piece of vinyl tubing like 8" and poke a hole in it with same effect..?

I can't think of any possible reason it wouldn't be worth a shot. Pretty sure the point is to inject air down into the drain one way or another. Straw is just nice and rigid.

EllieSuz · 02/27/2013, 08:24 PM

If you have airline tubing already, please read my thread again for a simple, cost effective solution to the noise problem. The length has to be fiddled with a bit but plan on a piece of tubing at least 3/4 of the way down the return pipe.

Tuscaquatics · 02/27/2013, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EllieSuz

If you have airline tubing already, please read my thread again for a simple, cost effective solution to the noise problem. The length has to be fiddled with a bit but plan on a piece of tubing at least 3/4 of the way down the return pipe.

Why does one need to go 3/4 of the way down the pipe? Have you tried just the straw? That alone did it for me.

JDM_SOHC · 02/27/2013, 08:39 PM

the one I have is about 2ft long so I'll give it a shot.. Is there something im lookin for or listening for..?

kimle · 02/28/2013, 02:41 AM

This is what I did with my CPR overflow box. Notice the gate valve for the main drain and the secondary drain on the side which is the black pipe. The black pipe is connected to a PVC tube at the end. I would tune the gate valve just so a little water is flowing into the secondary drain line. This setup is completely silent.

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kimle · 02/28/2013, 02:44 AM

Btw I tried the dorsal and air tubing tricks, but I was never able to adjust them to be quiet. The herbie was much easier to tune.

With the dorsal, air still gets into the drain and it makes a bunch of noise and bubbles in the sump. With the herbie, no air, no bubbles, no splashing in the sump.

JDM_SOHC · 02/28/2013, 10:03 AM

is that picture that u posted a "herbie" I assume..?

Do you have any better pictures of it..?? Also, for my specific overflow do you know what supplies I need..?? I've read other DIY's but they are all using totally different overflows with completely different measurements and all that.. I like the idea of an emergency drain also, just incase I lose siphon..

JDM_SOHC · 02/28/2013, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimle

This is what I did with my CPR overflow box. Notice the gate valve for the main drain and the secondary drain on the side which is the black pipe. The black pipe is connected to a PVC tube at the end. I would tune the gate valve just so a little water is flowing into the secondary drain line. This setup is completely silent.

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also, did u buy ur gate valve locally..??

02/27/2013, 01:53 AM	#1
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	Unsure of HOB Overflow brand, but have a noise issue.! So here is a picture of my 55g (48x13x20)'s HOB siphon overflow system.. This entire setup was gifted to me (tank, stand, wet/dry, etc) so I'm unsure of any of the manufacturer names, specs, and all that jazz except for the Mag 7 pump I just bought... Well the issue is that my drain seems to be draining to fast and it creates a gargling noise until it has time to catch back up with the intank overflow and that is soooo annoying when I'm trying to sleep... Is there anyway to perhaps slow the draining down so the overflow box on the outside of the tank can fill up a bit more with water before it drains out..?? The water level is about .5"-1" above the drain so it's constantly being sucked out and I can hear it, whereas I see some HOB overflows that are about 2" above the drain and it's a constant silent drain, peaceful, quiet, no noise... Like stated my return pump is a Mag 7 and with my 3-4' head loss I'm still supposed to be well over 300gph so I think this may be the issue since my overflow box is unknown GPH, so does anyone have any tips or perhaps know what kind of overflow this is and what my rating is for GPH so I know if I need to slow down my return or slow down my drain somehow..?? [IMG]http://oi51.*****.com/2wdr6ko.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://oi53.*****.com/69qg4o.jpg[/IMG]

02/27/2013, 05:06 PM	#5
EllieSuz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 3,858	I have an overflow very much like yours. A Durso standpipe is applicable to a drilled tank, if I'm not mistaken and not an exterior box. I had noise issues when I started out too. Here's my recommendation for two things that will vastly improve the noise problem. First, install a ball valve on the return connection from your pump. This will allow you to adjust the flow. Secondly, get a length of flexible airline tubing and thread it through the hose leading to your sump. Play with the length of it until you find that "sweet spot" that reduces noise. You'll want to affix it to something so it doesn't end up in the sump (learned this one the hard way). This really works, although I have no idea why. Oh, and the same "sweet spot" applies to that ball valve on your return pump. If you play with it a while, you'll find an amount of flow that's just right and reduces noise too. __________________ "You can't learn this hobby one question at a time." (Mr. Tuskfish) Eileen Current Tank Info: I'm out of the hobby, but used to have a60 gal. reef, refugium in sump, Internal Mag 9 return, SC 302 skimmer, two Maxi-Jet 1200's modded, four bulb T5 Lighting, Reefkeeper Lite Controller with three PC4's, Little Fishes GFO reactor.

02/27/2013, 05:25 PM	#6
Dre59 Z&P Addict from IL Join Date: May 2008 Location: Laveen AZ Posts: 1,654	Just buy one of these and have more sleep http://premiumaquatics.com/aquatic-s...s/GEO-SP2.html __________________ 20 years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. Explore. Dream. Tank info: Mr Aqua Cube 18x18x18 and 15gal sump.. Current Tank Info: It's to small

02/27/2013, 06:44 PM	#8
wildman926 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: CTX Posts: 2,904	Anything that draws air, will make noise. If you want completely silent, either put a second drain pipe as mentioned, or buy one. Here is what you are wanting, total silence. Click on the picture to see/hear the video - __________________ Beware of recommendations by those who don't actually use their recommendation!! The search function actually works quite well!! Tanks:Planet Aquarium 150g LPS, Planet Aquarium 90g Softie

02/27/2013, 07:36 PM	#12
Tuscaquatics Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 1,324	Crazy enough method that actually works and will help at least for now. Take a standard drinking straw. Take a wooden toothpick. Jam the toothpick through the straw perpendicularly an inch or so from the end. Now drop it in the drain tube so the toothpick holds the straw up in the tube with the tip above the water. See what happens. Report back. Last edited by Tuscaquatics; 02/27/2013 at 08:17 PM.

02/27/2013, 02:56 AM	#2
kimle Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Irvine (Westpark) Posts: 191	Put a gate valve on the main drain line and also drill another bulkhead on the side of your overflow box. Run that second bulkhead to your sump. This setup is called a Herbie drain. It's completely silent once you tune the gate valve.

02/27/2013, 04:35 PM	#3
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	Thank you for the advice..! Where would that second bulkhead be drilled as far as location, and I assume that means it's ok to drill into the plastic overflow..?? Also, is it ok to cut this type of hose, or do I need to replace it with a different type of hose to add in the gate valve...?? [IMG]http://oi52.*******.com/2qas6ki.jpg[/IMG]

02/27/2013, 04:48 PM	#4
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	Also is the Herbie preferred over the Durso Standpipe..??

02/27/2013, 05:52 PM	#7
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	Nice find..!! I suppose I could even make that myself to save on time & money.. I've done irrigation work before so I assume it's not much different.. I would just need to find out the measurements right..??

02/27/2013, 06:48 PM	#9
degibson84 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 2,393	this one is built for HOB style overflows http://premiumaquatics.com/store/mer...Category_Code=

02/27/2013, 07:13 PM	#10
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	That's similar to what the other fella posted.. I assume SP1 and SP2 are just the order they were made..?? With SP2 being the newer, quieter version..?? Thanks for the great info..!

02/27/2013, 07:14 PM	#11
degibson84 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 2,393	the one he posted was for a standpipe on a bottom drilled tank the one i posted was for HOB overflows

02/27/2013, 08:12 PM	#13
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	lol I'm gonna try that out now..!!!!

02/27/2013, 08:18 PM	#14
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	turns out, im strawless =(

02/27/2013, 08:24 PM	#19
EllieSuz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 3,858	If you have airline tubing already, please read my thread again for a simple, cost effective solution to the noise problem. The length has to be fiddled with a bit but plan on a piece of tubing at least 3/4 of the way down the return pipe. __________________ "You can't learn this hobby one question at a time." (Mr. Tuskfish) Eileen Current Tank Info: I'm out of the hobby, but used to have a60 gal. reef, refugium in sump, Internal Mag 9 return, SC 302 skimmer, two Maxi-Jet 1200's modded, four bulb T5 Lighting, Reefkeeper Lite Controller with three PC4's, Little Fishes GFO reactor.

02/27/2013, 08:39 PM	#21
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	the one I have is about 2ft long so I'll give it a shot.. Is there something im lookin for or listening for..?

02/28/2013, 02:41 AM	#22
kimle Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Irvine (Westpark) Posts: 191	This is what I did with my CPR overflow box. Notice the gate valve for the main drain and the secondary drain on the side which is the black pipe. The black pipe is connected to a PVC tube at the end. I would tune the gate valve just so a little water is flowing into the secondary drain line. This setup is completely silent. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1362040682.853917.jpg

02/28/2013, 02:44 AM	#23
kimle Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Irvine (Westpark) Posts: 191	Btw I tried the dorsal and air tubing tricks, but I was never able to adjust them to be quiet. The herbie was much easier to tune. With the dorsal, air still gets into the drain and it makes a bunch of noise and bubbles in the sump. With the herbie, no air, no bubbles, no splashing in the sump.

02/28/2013, 10:03 AM	#24
JDM_SOHC Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 239, Lee County Posts: 369	is that picture that u posted a "herbie" I assume..? Do you have any better pictures of it..?? Also, for my specific overflow do you know what supplies I need..?? I've read other DIY's but they are all using totally different overflows with completely different measurements and all that.. I like the idea of an emergency drain also, just incase I lose siphon..