Bubble tip anchored upside down?

Rokiman · 04/17/2013, 10:55 AM

Hey guys

New to the saltwater community
I have a question about my bta. Acclimated him yesterday and turned off power heads to let him get comfy but to realize later on he anchored upside down on a live rock where there was barely any exposure to light. I freaked out and flipped him and the live rock right side up so he has access to light and what not. He looks like he s flourishing right now but I was wondering if that was a normal thing. I know that they do indeed move around but never thought that he would hide in a crevice with no light exposure.

29 gallon a it over stocked
2 ocellaris clownfish
Filefish goby
Green chromis
Chocolate chip starfish
Coral banded shrimp
2 Cortez hermit
Turbo snail
Random snail

I have done all tests and passed
Temp is 80.2

Aqueon 55/75 running without filter cartridges
2 power heads
Heater

I know I m gonna get flamed for this but my tank has only been 7 days xD and i do not have a skimmer yet. Looking into a eshopp psk 75h as we speak.

Tips and advice greatly appreciated!

mikem101 · 04/17/2013, 11:47 AM

IMO not over stocked but your going to have to do more water changes then normal since its such a small tank and cc star fish arent reef safe is this a FOWLR tank?

Mr. Schwarz · 04/17/2013, 11:50 AM

I just bought a Condy Nem and it did the same thing last night. He has tons of flow and excellent light, guess he just wanted to hang out upside down for a couple hours. Now he is back up where he should be and flourishing. Make sure he has room to "dim" the light he gets by getting closer or further away from the light and also make sure his flow isn't too much or too little, he will move away if he doesn't like it.

TomTheWicked · 04/17/2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rokiman

I know I m gonna get flamed for this but my tank has only been 7 days xD

I'll go first. If you've added all of those fish in the last 7-days, they're likely all going to die from the huge ammonia spike that's about to occur. Does that 7-days include the cycle? It's bad (if not plain irresponsible) to expose your fish to the conditions they're probably in right now. I'd really recommend you do an ammonia test and post the results.

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Originally Posted by Rokiman

I have done all tests and passed

I've never head of any pass/fail tests. These tests have numbers, and for a good reason. Would you mind posting them so other can have a looksy?

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Originally Posted by Rokiman

Hey guys

New to the saltwater community
I have a question about my bta. Acclimated him yesterday and turned off power heads to let him get comfy but to realize later on he anchored upside down on a live rock where there was barely any exposure to light. I freaked out and flipped him and the live rock right side up so he has access to light and what not. He looks like he s flourishing right now but I was wondering if that was a normal thing. I know that they do indeed move around but never thought that he would hide in a crevice with no light exposure.

What type of lighting do you have? If the BTA is bleached then could possibly be sensitive to really intense lighting, and trying to hide.

ptreef · 04/17/2013, 11:59 AM

BTA will move where ever he feels safe footing and good light he likes as well as flow. A lot of times they like to have their foot well buried or hidden and then extend up into light

You can move him around and he may stay for a bit or move!

only setup 7 days and already added nem and fish? or 7 days after cycle? Or is this prviously established rock and sand??

aydemir · 04/17/2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TomTheWicked

If you've added all of those fish in the last 7-days, they're likely all going to die from the huge ammonia spike that's about to occur.

+1 Hate to be a downer but your fish will almost certainly die...you could try using a large bucket to house your livestock when the levels of ammonia and nitrite get higher than 1ppm. If you don't know how to cycle your tank, there are a few methods outlines on this site:
http://www.saltwateraquarium.com/cyc...water-aquarium
If you don't know about the cycle, check the chemistry forum or do some research
Also, the bta is known to run around till it finds a spot it likes, it is probably just getting acclimated to the light you have, which may be much brighter or darker than what it is used to, etc. Flow is also a factor when an anemone moves around, if you really want it to move you can 'blast' it with a powerhead until it moves. Dont try to move it with your hands, you'll end up damaging its foot unless you're really careful
edit: also, you will get flamed for adding an anemone not only before your cycle, but your tank has not been established at least 6 months (the very minimum amount of time b4 adding a nem). I would return the nem to the LFS if I were you, it may survive, but you'll probably be out of 80 bucks in 3 weeks, not to mention the fish that may die as well :S

TimeConsumer · 04/17/2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rokiman

Tips and advice greatly appreciated!

Slow down.

Welcome to RC.

mikem101 · 04/17/2013, 12:43 PM

i didnt even read the bottom till now adding fish after 7 days is bad but a nem after 7 days is going to die no matter what you do. I would see if your LF can baby sit everything till your tank is cycled. If not most likey everything will die thats a lot of bio load for an established tank!

ptreef · 04/17/2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikem101

IMO not over stocked but your going to have to do more water changes.......

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Originally Posted by mikem101

thats a lot of bio load for an established tank!

yowzas!

eastfernstreet · 04/17/2013, 01:39 PM

In my admitted limited experience, there is nothing "normal" about anemones. We call ours anEMOne.

mikem101 · 04/17/2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ptreef

yowzas!

It is a big bio load but with frequent water changes in an established tank i think it would be fine. Overstocked for a established reef I dont think so for a new tank FOR SURE!

Rokiman · 04/17/2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mikem101

IMO not over stocked but your going to have to do more water changes then normal since its such a small tank and cc star fish arent reef safe is this a FOWLR tank?

Ahh! unfortunately it's not a fowlr. And I just took out the CC! Thanks for the heads up. The starfish was free but never looked into if it was reef safe or not.

Rokiman · 04/17/2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Schwarz

I just bought a Condy Nem and it did the same thing last night. He has tons of flow and excellent light, guess he just wanted to hang out upside down for a couple hours. Now he is back up where he should be and flourishing. Make sure he has room to "dim" the light he gets by getting closer or further away from the light and also make sure his flow isn't too much or too little, he will move away if he doesn't like it.

Yeah my bta just went back to normal now

MTF7 · 04/17/2013, 09:54 PM

Watch your parameters veryyyyyyyyy close like 2 times a day not necessarily everything but ammonia is a key then nitrates then nitrites. Check in the morning and at night. What I would do is if you are wanting to invest and keep with it, is to get a 20g tank and put about 5 gallons of your tank water in the 20g tank and get a power head to circle the water and put your fish+coral and inverts sorry but the cc starfish HAS to go not reef safe at all! Put a few or one big piece of LR into the 20g with the fish and coral. So go get 20 gallons of SW take out 5 gallons from your tank and put it into the 20g then fill it with the rest of the 15new SW. If you go with the power head to circulate take 1-2 gallons out of the 20g tank and put it in your 29 and vise versa with the 29g tank to 20g tank once a week and just keep checking the ammonia levels twice daily for about 2 weeks. IF your livestock survives and then on the 3rd week and your ammonia nitrate and nitrates are 0 or ok levels stop the 1-2 gallon weekly water replacement and add one coral and your clowns to the 29g tank but keep the 20g tank up still. And still keep a close eye on the ammonia when it drops to 0 and your Nitrates and nitrites look good you can add another fish and coral and just keep this up until their is no more live stock left in your 20g tank. Hopefully this works out for you!

Rokiman · 04/17/2013, 10:03 PM

ammonia is 0
nitrite is 0
nitrate is close to 0

MTF7 · 04/17/2013, 10:06 PM

Oh keep an eye on that nem too if that puppy dies and you don't get it out quick enough you might as well just dump your whole tank and start again but slower

Rokiman · 04/18/2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MTF7

Oh keep an eye on that nem too if that puppy dies and you don't get it out quick enough you might as well just dump your whole tank and start again but slower

Yeah I heard about the infamous nuke... Let's see if I can pull this through. I shall be back in a month with good or bad news!

smaione618 · 04/18/2013, 12:22 PM

rokiman let me ask you a question...... do you think you will still want to be in this hobby if you had to buy everything twice? Please before you post another thing about your tank read as many of the stickies as possible. It does not matter if you get something for free like your starfish make sure it will line up with the rest of you inhabitants. You have a responsibility to make sure your take and fish stay alive and healthy.

btw welcome to rc

KeepNitReel · 04/18/2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rokiman

ammonia is 0
nitrite is 0
nitrate is close to 0

I'm just curious and would like to know if your tank is cycled or not? I've read the thread but don't see where you answered that question. Please forgive me if you did.

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TomTheWicked · 04/18/2013, 01:50 PM

I'm sorry, but if you've added 2 clownfish, Firefish, chromis, and a starfish to a 29G tank in the last 7 days, I think it's pretty unlikely that your tests will all be 0. Can you get your LFS or someone else to check those numbers? What test kit are you using?

Rokiman · 04/20/2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TomTheWicked

I'm sorry, but if you've added 2 clownfish, Firefish, chromis, and a starfish to a 29G tank in the last 7 days, I think it's pretty unlikely that your tests will all be 0. Can you get your LFS or someone else to check those numbers? What test kit are you using?

I brought the water to my lfs... they said nothing was wrong. All my guys are healthy. anemone is just fine. Flourishing to be exact.

Rokiman · 04/20/2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepNitReel

I'm just curious and would like to know if your tank is cycled or not? I've read the thread but don't see where you answered that question. Please forgive me if you did.

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I get my water from fishaholic which is 0 ppm and what not. my live rocks are entirely covered in corilline algae.

Tank is now 10 days old.

I got an aquac remora nano a couple of days ago. running it with an aqueon 55/75 filter and i wash the filters everyday so it doesnt become a nitrite factory.

If there were to be a an ammonia spike when would you suspect it be?

Rokiman · 04/20/2013, 09:57 PM

To freak you guys out a bit more I now have
4 heads of baby blue candy cane
frogspawn
multicolor hammer
star polyps
zooanthides
torch anddd
ricordea

Pearson · 04/20/2013, 10:21 PM

possible troll?

Welcome to RC and please listen to the advice that has been given to you so far.

Rokiman · 04/20/2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearson

possible troll?

Welcome to RC and please listen to the advice that has been given to you so far.

Oh no, no troll here. Even though I am a troll on crsx.com, everything i've posted has been true. Recently removed my green chromis and chocolate chip.

I now have
2 ocellaris clownfish
1 firefish goby
2 cortez hermit crab
1 turbo snail
1 random snail
1 bubble tip anemone

head of green tip torch
4 heads of baby blue candy cane
head of multicolored hammer
small colony of star polyp
small colony of zooanthides
couple of red mushrooms popped up out of my live rock, and no they're not aiptasia. I also have aiptasia though >.<
and a blue mushroom

day #10

thank you all for the advice

I really appreciate it, otherwise my chocolate would've had a hell of a meal.

04/18/2013, 01:50 PM	#20
TomTheWicked Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Frednecksburg, VA Posts: 170	I'm sorry, but if you've added 2 clownfish, Firefish, chromis, and a starfish to a 29G tank in the last 7 days, I think it's pretty unlikely that your tests will all be 0. Can you get your LFS or someone else to check those numbers? What test kit are you using? __________________ "If it ain't broke, fix it 'till it is" Current Tank Info: 40B w/20G sump, custom stand

04/20/2013, 10:21 PM	#24
Pearson Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 212	possible troll? Welcome to RC and please listen to the advice that has been given to you so far. __________________ 125g: 40g long sump w/ fuge, asm-g3 skimmer, hydor koralai powerheads, magdrive pumps 90g: Currently in the building process (will be replacing the 29g) 29g: fw community/lightly planted Current Tank Info: 29 gal fw and 125 gal salt

04/17/2013, 10:55 AM	#1
Rokiman Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 49	Bubble tip anchored upside down? Hey guys New to the saltwater community I have a question about my bta. Acclimated him yesterday and turned off power heads to let him get comfy but to realize later on he anchored upside down on a live rock where there was barely any exposure to light. I freaked out and flipped him and the live rock right side up so he has access to light and what not. He looks like he s flourishing right now but I was wondering if that was a normal thing. I know that they do indeed move around but never thought that he would hide in a crevice with no light exposure. 29 gallon a it over stocked 2 ocellaris clownfish Filefish goby Green chromis Chocolate chip starfish Coral banded shrimp 2 Cortez hermit Turbo snail Random snail I have done all tests and passed Temp is 80.2 Aqueon 55/75 running without filter cartridges 2 power heads Heater I know I m gonna get flamed for this but my tank has only been 7 days xD and i do not have a skimmer yet. Looking into a eshopp psk 75h as we speak. Tips and advice greatly appreciated!

04/17/2013, 11:47 AM	#2
mikem101 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 819	IMO not over stocked but your going to have to do more water changes then normal since its such a small tank and cc star fish arent reef safe is this a FOWLR tank?

04/17/2013, 11:50 AM	#3
Mr. Schwarz Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Springfield, TN Posts: 3	I just bought a Condy Nem and it did the same thing last night. He has tons of flow and excellent light, guess he just wanted to hang out upside down for a couple hours. Now he is back up where he should be and flourishing. Make sure he has room to "dim" the light he gets by getting closer or further away from the light and also make sure his flow isn't too much or too little, he will move away if he doesn't like it.

04/17/2013, 11:59 AM	#5
ptreef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 746	BTA will move where ever he feels safe footing and good light he likes as well as flow. A lot of times they like to have their foot well buried or hidden and then extend up into light You can move him around and he may stay for a bit or move! only setup 7 days and already added nem and fish? or 7 days after cycle? Or is this prviously established rock and sand??

04/17/2013, 12:43 PM	#8
mikem101 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 819	i didnt even read the bottom till now adding fish after 7 days is bad but a nem after 7 days is going to die no matter what you do. I would see if your LF can baby sit everything till your tank is cycled. If not most likey everything will die thats a lot of bio load for an established tank!

04/17/2013, 01:39 PM	#10
eastfernstreet Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 150	In my admitted limited experience, there is nothing "normal" about anemones. We call ours anEMOne. __________________ Learning Patience In hobby since 09/12. Current Tank Info: 90 gal., 2 2x54w T5 w/ATI's, 100+ lbs. LR, 125 Coralife SuperSkimmer, 2x Maxspect Gyre XF250, 2 O. Clowns, 1 Longnosed Hawk, 1 Tomini Tang, 1 Flame Angel, 1 Green Mandarin, Rics, Fox, Montis, GSP, Zoas, Gorg, Birdsnest, Shrooms, Shrimp, Crabs, etc.

04/17/2013, 09:54 PM	#14
MTF7 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 285	Watch your parameters veryyyyyyyyy close like 2 times a day not necessarily everything but ammonia is a key then nitrates then nitrites. Check in the morning and at night. What I would do is if you are wanting to invest and keep with it, is to get a 20g tank and put about 5 gallons of your tank water in the 20g tank and get a power head to circle the water and put your fish+coral and inverts sorry but the cc starfish HAS to go not reef safe at all! Put a few or one big piece of LR into the 20g with the fish and coral. So go get 20 gallons of SW take out 5 gallons from your tank and put it into the 20g then fill it with the rest of the 15new SW. If you go with the power head to circulate take 1-2 gallons out of the 20g tank and put it in your 29 and vise versa with the 29g tank to 20g tank once a week and just keep checking the ammonia levels twice daily for about 2 weeks. IF your livestock survives and then on the 3rd week and your ammonia nitrate and nitrates are 0 or ok levels stop the 1-2 gallon weekly water replacement and add one coral and your clowns to the 29g tank but keep the 20g tank up still. And still keep a close eye on the ammonia when it drops to 0 and your Nitrates and nitrites look good you can add another fish and coral and just keep this up until their is no more live stock left in your 20g tank. Hopefully this works out for you!

04/17/2013, 10:03 PM	#15
Rokiman Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 49	ammonia is 0 nitrite is 0 nitrate is close to 0

04/17/2013, 10:06 PM	#16
MTF7 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 285	Oh keep an eye on that nem too if that puppy dies and you don't get it out quick enough you might as well just dump your whole tank and start again but slower

04/18/2013, 12:22 PM	#18
smaione618 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: akron Posts: 284	rokiman let me ask you a question...... do you think you will still want to be in this hobby if you had to buy everything twice? Please before you post another thing about your tank read as many of the stickies as possible. It does not matter if you get something for free like your starfish make sure it will line up with the rest of you inhabitants. You have a responsibility to make sure your take and fish stay alive and healthy. btw welcome to rc

04/20/2013, 09:57 PM	#23
Rokiman Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 49	To freak you guys out a bit more I now have 4 heads of baby blue candy cane frogspawn multicolor hammer star polyps zooanthides torch anddd ricordea