40 breeder

[ThatReefLife]

Hey everyone, just looking for some ideas for rockwork in 40 breeder...any suggestions or pictures you have feel free to post. Thanks.

[hibb304]

That's a pretty popular tank sz,just search around and you'll find what you need.
GL

[postshawn]

It's also a good tank size because of it's width compared to other comparable length and volume tanks. You can do just about anything in that tank.

You can do small islands of rock because you have the width for the fish to get around it completely. You can do large rock walls because you have the width to still keep a lot of swim space in front of it. Or you can do just about anything you can think of. Any rock scape can be done in any tank, it's just a matter of proportion of rock you use. Just google stuff like rockscape and saltwater aquarium and start seeing what you like. If you have any question on how to achieve a similar layout then post the picture on the forums and ask. I'm sure someone will chime in.

I'm just about to rockscape a new tank for my self too and have been doing a lot of looking around. I was set on a way I thought I would go and then found others I liked too. So who knows. In a couple weeks I will go see what my LFS has in stock and really figure out what my tank will look like.

[ThatReefLife]

Yeahh im gonna look around online and see if i can find any i like... Thanks for the reply.

[greech]

Not much to look at but I like my scape pretty well. Lots of options for coral placement. I like the dual island look too...

[MARINECRITTERS]

Main thing you want to keep in mind is to keep the rock work open, allowing for copious amounts of water movement throughout the rock structure itself. More flow, less detritus, algaes, and healthier corals.
The new thing seems to be the minimalistic aqua scape.

[Michigan Mike]

If I had a 40b it would have islands & minimalist setup. I hate my rock wall in my 29g. Maybe bb or a thin layer of crushed coral or large sand to cover the bottom, but I want lots of flow so it can't blow around, never do fine sand again,ever. SPS with my 4x24 Sunpower with 2 reefbrite strip..

[maddmaxx]

[ThatReefLife]

I really appreciate the posts guys both of your tanks Are sweet. I do like the idea of a minimalistic aqua scape. I feel like the wall scape everyone has and i wanted to do something a little different. Im liking the idea of separate open islands.

[Michigan Mike]

Originally Posted by maddmaxx

Your tank is sweet but your avatar is CrAzY! HAha

[mikem101]

cant really see it they are cell phone pics! but heres my 40 breeder.

[ThatReefLife]

What about some ideas for fish. I like anthias as i had them in my larger tank and want them again just not sure if a 40b is big enough.

[hibb304]

That's something I wished I spent more time on. My rock scape.

[mikem101]

I would stay away from anthias in a 40. IMO you need a 75 or so but im sure its up for debate just like everything else. If it were me i would stick with clowns, gobies, wrasse fire fish/ dart fish, or blennies.

[warfanax]

Here is mine.

[warfanax]

Originally Posted by mikem101

I would stay away from anthias in a 40. IMO you need a 75 or so but im sure its up for debate just like everything else. If it were me i would stick with clowns, gobies, wrasse fire fish/ dart fish, or blennies.

Anthias is absolutely fine for 40. I have one and it doesn't even swim much.

[TimeConsumer]

I like yashas paired with a pistol shrimp. I'm also a huge fan of the Tanaka's pygmy wrasse. Can't go wrong with a banggai cardinal. A couple of percula or ocellaris clowns is never a bad idea either.

And probably my favorite fish in my tank is a yellowtail damsel, but these can be hit or miss. Sometimes they're very aggressive, mine is completely passive and doesn't bother a thing. They are a gamble.

[mikem101]

Originally Posted by warfanax

Anthias is absolutely fine for 40. I have one and it doesn't even swim much.

You also have a hippo tang in a 40 which is CRAZY, so im not trying to be nasty, but i really wouldnt take advice from someone with a tang that requires 200 gallons in a 40 breeder? and to answer the real question it all depends on what anthias you but i should have been more clear Blotched Anthias no you need a way bigger tank but Ventralis Anthias would be fine. So i guess it does depend on what Anthias you are talking about!

[ThatReefLife]

That tank is sweet and i agree that a 40 is small for tangs but when they are 2in or smaller i doubt its much of a problem. You can just give them away as they grow bigger. I definitley want a school of chromis. I saw red chromis at the lfs but heard they lose their color over time. So think ill go for blue green chromis.

[mikem101]

Originally Posted by ThatReefLife

That tank is sweet and i agree that a 40 is small for tangs but when they are 2in or smaller i doubt its much of a problem. You can just give them away as they grow bigger.

There are some great threads on here that explained why this is an issue, Not only is it very stressful on the fish but also stunts their growth and causes many problems in the long run. A good rule to go by is dont get a fish that will ever out grow your tank. Not really fair to the fish.

[ThatReefLife]

Originally Posted by mikem101

There are some great threads on here that explained why this is an issue, Not only is it very stressful on the fish but also stunts their growth and causes many problems in the long run. A good rule to go by is dont get a fish that will ever out grow your tank. Not really fair to the fish.

No i fully agree with you about it, its not fair to the fish and it does stunt their growth. However the fact of the matter is that certain fish their is exceptions. Such as the foxface... Sure its recomended tank size is 125 but they are not open water swimmers and can be happy in a 55 or 75. Everyone has their own oppinions but what it comes down to is making the right decision so u dont have to get rid of a fish u love cuz they get too big.

[warfanax]

Originally Posted by mikem101

You also have a hippo tang in a 40 which is CRAZY, so im not trying to be nasty, but i really wouldnt take advice from someone with a tang that requires 200 gallons in a 40 breeder? and to answer the real question it all depends on what anthias you but i should have been more clear Blotched Anthias no you need a way bigger tank but Ventralis Anthias would be fine. So i guess it does depend on what Anthias you are talking about!

Just because its my choice to put a tang in it, doesn't mean I have no idea what I am doing. Definitely doesn't mean I am a newbie to this hobby. When I got that tang it was smaller than 2" so I wanted to keep it until it gets to a certain size, and I will be selling it soon anyway.

I don't understand why everyone is a tang police. Who decides this size anyway? You say 200g for a tang, some say 75g, some say 120g....everyone has a different idea. If I listen others in this forum and get a 100g tank, I would be still flamed by you. Why do you think a YT damsel doesn't need a big tank? Just because they are small? If so, have you ever seen how they live in ocean?

My point is non of these fish belong to an aquarium. I see no difference between a 3" damsel that can BELONG to my aquarium and a 3" tang that can't.

[mikem101]

Originally Posted by warfanax

My point is non of these fish belong to an aquarium. I see no difference between a 3" damsel that can BELONG to my aquarium and a 3" tang that can't.

Exactly why I couldn’t take advice when research wasn’t done there is a HUGE difference in the two. I thought that went without saying comparing a fish that gets 3" max size to one that should be 12-18" is crazy! Tang police isn’t the word I would use but, yes tangs are commonly put into tanks that are to small thus people have explain over and over why tanks are to small! Weather 125-200 you would be hard pressed to get anyone agree that a blue is ok in a 40 no matter the size when it went in! One what we talked about before it has shown to stunt growth and shorten the life span of these beautiful fish! But again its not my tank just feel bad for the fish that get put into tanks much to small for their needs because someone thinks they will look pretty in their tank.

[Fish_Freek]

Originally Posted by warfanax

Here is mine.

Man, I think your tank looks really great! Love the seperate islands! As far as the tang goes...(and its not the point of the original post)...to each their own. If its only 2", you can sell it in a while when it seems like its outgrowing the tank. Personaly, I love hippo tangs and have a 3-1/2" in my 75g reef. I don't feel this harms the fish in the least. Mine seems happy, unstressed and has a huge gut! In a few months i know I'll have to trade him back to the LFS or give him away to a local reefer with a larger tank. I'm ok with that and those were my intnsions when I added him to the tank.Just my 2 cents.

[warfanax]

Originally Posted by mikem101

Exactly why I couldn’t take advice when research wasn’t done there is a HUGE difference in the two. I thought that went without saying comparing a fish that gets 3" max size to one that should be 12-18" is crazy! Tang police isn’t the word I would use but, yes tangs are commonly put into tanks that are to small thus people have explain over and over why tanks are to small! Weather 125-200 you would be hard pressed to get anyone agree that a blue is ok in a 40 no matter the size when it went in! One what we talked about before it has shown to stunt growth and shorten the life span of these beautiful fish! But again its not my tank just feel bad for the fish that get put into tanks much to small for their needs because someone thinks they will look pretty in their tank.

I don't wanna continue this pointless debate and repeat myself over and over again. I already answered your new post in my previous one. If you still don't understand my point and this makes me less credible to you, so be it.