Just got my first MP40!

joeman1881 · 11/04/2013, 09:34 AM

Finally! I got my first MP40 for my 90 gal. I put it in last night and it's great. As everyone else says, documentation is not the best. Right now I set it up on short pulses, and everything seems pretty happy. What setting do you guys put on yours for best results?

SloppyWhenWet · 11/04/2013, 10:16 AM

I change it around, its great. I like yellow for reef crest most of the time but use others to change the flow pattern and keep things clean.

h0bite · 11/04/2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SloppyWhenWet

I change it around, its great. I like yellow for reef crest most of the time but use others to change the flow pattern and keep things clean.

I have 2 Mp40wes on my 65 gallons, how I program yellow crest mode.
Thanks
Pump are program master and slave.

EcoTech Marine · 11/04/2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeman1881

Finally! I got my first MP40 for my 90 gal. I put it in last night and it's great. As everyone else says, documentation is not the best. Right now I set it up on short pulses, and everything seems pretty happy. What setting do you guys put on yours for best results?

Please find the full instruction manual here:

http://ecotechmarine.com/wp-content/...evision1.2.pdf

joeman1881 · 11/04/2013, 12:49 PM

Thanks for the info guys. This manual should also help out a lot. I guess I will just have to play around with it until I find the best mode for my tank.

Clamagore · 11/04/2013, 01:23 PM

The MP40 in my tank has been running for only a month, in an empty tank until last Friday no less. Going forward though, I think I'll be sticking with the Reef Crest random mode, set at the maximum speed that doesn't draw sand across the bottom.

Short Pulse mode appears to be good for stirring up the tank with a standing wave and presumably helps to sweep detritus off the rocks and sand, and into the water column.

I'm not sure what Drew Brees is talking about, or why he isn't busy reviewing tape from yesterday's loss, but I think most of us realize the design and manufacture of a quality product in a first-world country doesn't often result in budget pricing.

DrewBrees713 · 11/04/2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Clamagore

I'm not sure what Drew Brees is talking about, or why he isn't busy reviewing tape from yesterday's loss, but I think most of us realize the design and manufacture of a quality product in a first-world country doesn't often result in budget pricing.

Budget pricing is another word for expensive...Gotcha!!! YOu can still get a quality product without the heavy price tag in just about anything bud!

So I'm guessing your team is the KC Chiefs?

Clamagore · 11/04/2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewBrees713

Budget pricing is another word for expensive...Gotcha!!! YOu can still get a quality product without the heavy price tag in just about anything bud!

So I'm guessing your team is the KC Chiefs?

How much would you charge for an equivalent pump if you were tasked with its design, manufacture, distribution, and representation--and did all of those things in either the United States or western Europe? My number would absolutely be in the same ballpark.

Actually I'm an Eagles fan, but I'm happy to see Andy Reid be successful with his new team.

ca1ore · 11/04/2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by h0bite

I have 2 Mp40wes on my 65 gallons, how I program yellow crest mode.
Thanks
Pump are program master and slave.

Jeepers, that's a lot of flow! I'm using a pair of 40s in a 265, and while I might ideally have gone with one 40 and one 60, I don't feel that my tank is flow-deficient.

Vortech's are pretty slick pumps. I have been very happy with mine and while perhaps 'value' is debatable, pricing seems at least semi-reasonable. But you will always pay a hobby premium, just look at the prices of some of these hi-end skimmers - outrageous for a few tubes of cell cast acrylic and a power-head.

Ok, the Chinese knock-off pumps certainly seem appealing at first blush, and maybe they will prove to be a better value, but until they have been out in market for a while and the useful operating life verified, caveat emptor.

Anyhow, to the OP, congrats on your new pump.

DrewBrees713 · 11/05/2013, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Clamagore

How much would you charge for an equivalent pump if you were tasked with its design, manufacture, distribution, and representation--and did all of those things in either the United States or western Europe? My number would absolutely be in the same ballpark.

Actually I'm an Eagles fan, but I'm happy to see Andy Reid be successful with his new team.

If I were to come up with something comparable there's no way on blue Earth I'd mark it up like ...AHEM...you know who.

An Eggo's fan? Now I see where your logic came from.

Clamagore · 11/05/2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DrewBrees713

If I were to come up with something comparable there's no way on blue Earth I'd mark it up like ...AHEM...you know who.

An Eggo's fan? Now I see where your logic came from.

I'm from Philly. What--I'm going to support a team from another town?? That's no fun!

Seriously though, I think you're underestimating the price of running a business that specializes in high-end niche products. It's unlikely that a small company in the US, Canada, or Europe could design and manufacture a product of equal quality and significantly undercut the competition. After all, how much do you think the workers who make Jebao pumps earn?

Meanmike · 11/05/2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Clamagore

I'm from Philly. What--I'm going to support a team from another town?? That's no fun!

Seriously though, I think you're underestimating the price of running a business that specializes in high-end niche products. It's unlikely that a small company in the US, Canada, or Europe could design and manufacture a product of equal quality and significantly undercut the competition. After all, how much do you think the workers who make Jebao pumps earn?

More importantly some seem to think it costs the same to make something in China as it does here. I mean what do you suppose these Chinese company's pay their employees I'm guessing a couple bucks an hour at best. It's much cheaper for them to rip off others.

I run mine in reefcrest but also have them set for Up for the gyro effect which I randomly switch to.

Ben_1313 · 11/05/2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Clamagore

Seriously though, I think you're underestimating the price of running a business that specializes in high-end niche products. It's unlikely that a small company in the US, Canada, or Europe could design and manufacture a product of equal quality and significantly undercut the competition. After all, how much do you think the workers who make Jebao pumps earn?

I'm sure you have the low-down on Eco-tech's financials, please share. We get it, you don't think this pump is a good value but it offers features that the Jebao pumps don't have.

This thread isn't about Jebao, it's about joeman1881 sharing wanting advice on which settings he should run his MP40 so lets keep it on track.

joeman1881, I really like reef crest mode too.

Clamagore · 11/05/2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben_1313

I'm sure you have the low-down on Eco-tech's financials, please share. We get it, you don't think this pump is a good value but it offers features that the Jebao pumps don't have.

This thread isn't about Jebao, it's about joeman1881 sharing wanting advice on which settings he should run his MP40 so lets keep it on track.

joeman1881, I really like reef crest mode too.

I have no criticisms of its value, I'm not sure where you get that. Likewise, I also don't know anything regarding Ecotech's financials, but I know enough about business to understand that I could not sell an equivalent product at a discount unless I exported the manufacturing to a country that offers low-wage labor. I was merely disagreeing with Drew's statement (which has apparently been deleted from this thread) that MP40 buyers are essentially being fleeced.

sirreal63 · 11/05/2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Clamagore

I was merely disagreeing with Drew's statement (which has apparently been deleted from this thread) that MP40 buyers are essentially being fleeced.

Drew has also been deleted.

Joeman, enjoy the pump, and it's ok to play around with the multitude of setting to find what works best for your tank.

joeman1881 · 11/05/2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

Jeepers, that's a lot of flow! I'm using a pair of 40s in a 265, and while I might ideally have gone with one 40 and one 60, I don't feel that my tank is flow-deficient.

Vortech's are pretty slick pumps. I have been very happy with mine and while perhaps 'value' is debatable, pricing seems at least semi-reasonable. But you will always pay a hobby premium, just look at the prices of some of these hi-end skimmers - outrageous for a few tubes of cell cast acrylic and a power-head.

Ok, the Chinese knock-off pumps certainly seem appealing at first blush, and maybe they will prove to be a better value, but until they have been out in market for a while and the useful operating life verified, caveat emptor.

Anyhow, to the OP, congrats on your new pump.

Thanks again for the info guys. Yea, I would like to maybe add the MP10 later to get more even flow, but I think 2 MP40's would be too much. Especially after seeing that you get decent flow in a 265...

joeman1881 · 11/05/2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben_1313

I'm sure you have the low-down on Eco-tech's financials, please share. We get it, you don't think this pump is a good value but it offers features that the Jebao pumps don't have.

This thread isn't about Jebao, it's about joeman1881 sharing wanting advice on which settings he should run his MP40 so lets keep it on track.

joeman1881, I really like reef crest mode too.

Thanks for the info. I will try switching this flow mode tonight and see how it looks.

On a side note, I added 5 chromis the day I added this MP40, and those guys sure love lining up to jump in front of it. They literally spend all day getting blasted across the tank and swimming back. Pretty entertaining to watch.

Kies1 · 11/05/2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewBrees713

If I were to come up with something comparable there's no way on blue Earth I'd mark it up like ...AHEM...you know who.

An Eggo's fan? Now I see where your logic came from.

What is wrong with vortech pumps. If you are happy using the knock offs then good for you, why knock someone who is happy with their vortechs. Everyone has a choice to use whatever equipment they want period.

txaggie09 · 11/05/2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by joeman1881

Thanks again for the info guys. Yea, I would like to maybe add the MP10 later to get more even flow, but I think 2 MP40's would be too much. Especially after seeing that you get decent flow in a 265...

I dont think you'd have too much flow with 2 mp40s in a 90 gal. I have 2 in my 120 running at about 70-75% and its more than enough flow. For your 90 you could dial it back even more and have them run very quietly. I guess it all depends on what you have in the tank. With SPS you could run 2 at 100% and be set, with LPS you can tune it down. With fish only, well its way overkill for that.

I too love the mp40s. I bought both of mine used and got one a little over a week ago. I had it for maybe 2 days before I bought a 2nd one. Really great pumps. I have mine anti synced in reefcrest mode but will probably get the apex module to control them though the apex for more random flow.

mgraf · 11/05/2013, 10:38 PM

I am running four mp10 on a 120 and love it. Two on each shrort side, and two on back wall. Get great variable flow. Would love to jump up to 40's.

joeman1881 · 01/14/2014, 09:16 AM

Just figured I would update this thread rather than open a new one....I have had this MP40 for a little over two months now, and man, TOTALLY worth the investment. I have literally never had my coral respond this well when added to my reef. I thought if you had generally good water quality, and a decent amount of movement in your water, like from the koralias I had, you will probably please almost anything. Boy was I wrong....I replaced all 3 koralias with 1 MP40, and the polyp extension on most my coral now is CRAZY, and I haven't lost anything or seen any receding. My only complaint (which isn't too much of a bother) is that when I spoke with EcoTech they did say an MP40 should be sufficient for my 90gal, but because of the overflow box, I get kind of a dead space in the back corner, which is fine because the dead space is more toward the top water. Another negative for my scenario is my house is flipped from the norm, where my living area is upstairs, and bedrooms are downstairs, and the wave mode can be a little annoying to some people when they are trying to sleep. Other then that though, really happy.

If you are on the fence about these things, just do it. They are totally worth the investment.

klwheat · 01/14/2014, 10:32 AM

I run an MP40 and an MP10 on opposite sides of my 90 gallon. I keep the MP40 dialed down to about 70% on reefcrest (yellow) and run the MP10 on full NTM. The variation in random flow is impressive. Totally eliminated any deadspots by putting them opposite as well.

joeman1881 · 01/15/2014, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by klwheat

I run an MP40 and an MP10 on opposite sides of my 90 gallon. I keep the MP40 dialed down to about 70% on reefcrest (yellow) and run the MP10 on full NTM. The variation in random flow is impressive. Totally eliminated any deadspots by putting them opposite as well.

Thats good to know. I may just monitor craigslist and see if I can locate one for $150 bucks or something. Which one is louder? The mp40 at 70% or the mp10 at 100%?

klwheat · 01/15/2014, 04:20 PM

When the mp10 is pulsing on ntm, it's definitely the louder. At 60-70% the mp40 is fairly quiet.

Mcsommerfeld · 01/15/2014, 09:16 PM

I have one MP40, get great flow out of random reef crest, and the corals love it. It's running between 80% and 90%, and is plenty of flow for my entire 120, but I will set be adding a second MP40, and possibly an MP10 for the back wall. That way I get random flow for the entire tank and can run them all at half power. Great pumps!

11/04/2013, 09:34 AM	#1
joeman1881 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Tracy Ca Posts: 119	Just got my first MP40! Finally! I got my first MP40 for my 90 gal. I put it in last night and it's great. As everyone else says, documentation is not the best. Right now I set it up on short pulses, and everything seems pretty happy. What setting do you guys put on yours for best results?

01/14/2014, 10:32 AM	#22
klwheat Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 676	I run an MP40 and an MP10 on opposite sides of my 90 gallon. I keep the MP40 dialed down to about 70% on reefcrest (yellow) and run the MP10 on full NTM. The variation in random flow is impressive. Totally eliminated any deadspots by putting them opposite as well. __________________ 180 Gallon Mixed reef President/Co-founder Running4Trisomy A Butterfly's Touch

01/15/2014, 04:20 PM	#24
klwheat Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 676	When the mp10 is pulsing on ntm, it's definitely the louder. At 60-70% the mp40 is fairly quiet. __________________ 180 Gallon Mixed reef President/Co-founder Running4Trisomy A Butterfly's Touch

11/04/2013, 10:16 AM	#2
SloppyWhenWet Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 166	I change it around, its great. I like yellow for reef crest most of the time but use others to change the flow pattern and keep things clean.

11/04/2013, 12:49 PM	#5
joeman1881 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Tracy Ca Posts: 119	Thanks for the info guys. This manual should also help out a lot. I guess I will just have to play around with it until I find the best mode for my tank.

11/04/2013, 01:23 PM	#6
Clamagore Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 119	The MP40 in my tank has been running for only a month, in an empty tank until last Friday no less. Going forward though, I think I'll be sticking with the Reef Crest random mode, set at the maximum speed that doesn't draw sand across the bottom. Short Pulse mode appears to be good for stirring up the tank with a standing wave and presumably helps to sweep detritus off the rocks and sand, and into the water column. I'm not sure what Drew Brees is talking about, or why he isn't busy reviewing tape from yesterday's loss, but I think most of us realize the design and manufacture of a quality product in a first-world country doesn't often result in budget pricing.

11/05/2013, 10:38 PM	#20
mgraf Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canal Fulton Posts: 741	I am running four mp10 on a 120 and love it. Two on each shrort side, and two on back wall. Get great variable flow. Would love to jump up to 40's.

01/14/2014, 09:16 AM	#21
joeman1881 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Tracy Ca Posts: 119	Just figured I would update this thread rather than open a new one....I have had this MP40 for a little over two months now, and man, TOTALLY worth the investment. I have literally never had my coral respond this well when added to my reef. I thought if you had generally good water quality, and a decent amount of movement in your water, like from the koralias I had, you will probably please almost anything. Boy was I wrong....I replaced all 3 koralias with 1 MP40, and the polyp extension on most my coral now is CRAZY, and I haven't lost anything or seen any receding. My only complaint (which isn't too much of a bother) is that when I spoke with EcoTech they did say an MP40 should be sufficient for my 90gal, but because of the overflow box, I get kind of a dead space in the back corner, which is fine because the dead space is more toward the top water. Another negative for my scenario is my house is flipped from the norm, where my living area is upstairs, and bedrooms are downstairs, and the wave mode can be a little annoying to some people when they are trying to sleep. Other then that though, really happy. If you are on the fence about these things, just do it. They are totally worth the investment.

01/15/2014, 09:16 PM	#25
Mcsommerfeld Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 281	I have one MP40, get great flow out of random reef crest, and the corals love it. It's running between 80% and 90%, and is plenty of flow for my entire 120, but I will set be adding a second MP40, and possibly an MP10 for the back wall. That way I get random flow for the entire tank and can run them all at half power. Great pumps!