Garlic?

leewish · 05/03/2014, 09:58 PM

I see people posting about feeding garlic with food to get fish to eat. My question is how do you do this?

Are you mixing minced garlic with the food? Are you mixing the food in the juice from minced garlic? Or are you using garlic powder?

ynot65 · 05/03/2014, 10:03 PM

http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...rlicGuard.html

cloak · 05/03/2014, 10:57 PM

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php

ca1ore · 05/03/2014, 11:39 PM

Waste of time IMO, and potentially detrimental to your fish. Cilantro, on the other hand ...... oh, never mind .....

bnumair · 05/04/2014, 01:50 AM

red chilli peppers or jalepenos......... oh never mind

cloak · 05/04/2014, 02:06 AM

Mint Julep?

snorvich · 05/04/2014, 03:53 AM

Garlic is not good for fish long term. And it has no value in preventing or curing parasites.

ahmed_iAM · 05/04/2014, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by snorvich

Garlic is not good for fish long term. And it has no value in preventing or curing parasites.

If it has no value why do people use it?

snorvich · 05/04/2014, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ahmed_iAM

If it has no value why do people use it?

Because it is easy and most people always prefer an easy solution.

ahmed_iAM · 05/04/2014, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by snorvich

Because it is easy and most people always prefer an easy solution.

Garlic is effective against several types of bacteria. Though it has never been proven to help with apatite or marine ich, it still isn't an awful idea. Have never hear of it hurting coral.

Sleepiness · 05/04/2014, 07:56 AM

+1 on Garlic. I would not say it cures anything though. I had an ich outbreak and 2 of my 3 fish did not survive. My gramma was the lone survivor. He had ich and a serious case of fin rot. and I used seachem garlic for 2 weeks until real medication came in the mail.The gramma had practically zero fins from the rot. He did not swim much, he would just rest on a rock until food came. He did not have much of an appetite until I started using the garlic. I would just mix some with water with the garlic and suck it up in a small baster. The gramma would swim up to the baster and just swim around in the garlic solution like a maniac. I never feed with a baster so I am assuming he liked the garlic. I cant say for certain garlic helped but I believe it kept him around long enough to administer kanamycin. That was over a year ago and the happy little gramma is fully healed up.

Denbf58 · 05/04/2014, 07:57 AM

There is not any proven benefits but when my puffer gets finicky I add garlic guard and it eats it up

snorvich · 05/04/2014, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ahmed_iAM

Garlic is effective against several types of bacteria. Though it has never been proven to help with apatite or marine ich, it still isn't an awful idea. Have never hear of it hurting coral.

No, it has no effect on coral that I am aware of. It is long term bad for fish. Please provide the reference on why it is thought to be effective on bacteria. Here is the reference on garlic.

ahmed_iAM · 05/04/2014, 08:04 AM

Here's the article http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php

snorvich · 05/04/2014, 08:04 AM

And from Steven Pro.

Sleepiness · 05/04/2014, 08:11 AM

Antimicrobial properties of allicin from garlic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976

Sleepiness · 05/04/2014, 08:13 AM

last time I checked ich is a protozoa

tmz · 05/04/2014, 08:36 AM

Yes crytocaryon is a protoist not a bacteria. Allicn only lasts an hour or two when fresh garlic is crushed or damaged. Doubt you'll find any active allicin in the garlic juices and concentrates used in the hobby. Even if you could use fresh garlic as some have tried it wouldn't have an effect on marine fish disease.

Sleepiness · 05/04/2014, 09:16 AM

Maybe so, but many of the compounds created by the decomposition of allicin have the same antimicrobial properties. Though not nearly as potent.

snorvich · 05/04/2014, 09:38 AM

Go back and read Steven Pro's article, which says:

"The bad news is that this paper dealt with a bacterial infection. There is no relationship between garlic's effect on bacterial infections and parasitic infestations. Also, the fish were not fed garlic-laced food; they were injected with garlic extract. That brings into question whether feeding fish garlic extract would be as effective as injecting them with it. Additionally, the garlic extract was prepared freshly for every injection. This is particularly important when taking into account the effectiveness of commercial preparation, and also in light of the fact that allicin, the active ingredient in garlic, is unstable and prone to breakdown in a relatively short amount of time (Cortes-Jorge 2000). Furthermore, since garlic is a non-natural food, the antigen effect of a novel compound may have been responsible for increased immune response, and although they used a negative control (nothing), they did not use a similar variable - i.e. onion, paprika, nutmeg, or whatever else one has in their spice cabinet that they think might somehow help their fish fight disease). And finally, even though all the fish showed improvement by the end of the study, none of the fish was completely healed. They all remained infected with Mycobacterium marinum, although at low levels."

However everyone is free to choose whatever method they think is viable.

Sleepiness · 05/04/2014, 10:24 AM

I did not feed it either. It was more topical in nature. I am just speaking from my own personal experience when I say it helped prolong the life of the fish until I could administer a real medication. Take it for what its worth.

whosurcaddie · 05/04/2014, 10:53 AM

Fish go nuts for ginger root powder.

http://www.amazon.com/Simply-Organic...ds=ginger+root

ca1ore · 05/04/2014, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahmed_iAM

If it has no value why do people use it?

There are lots of things folks do with their tanks because 'somebody said it was a good idea' or 'I read it somewhere'. The mere fact something exists in a commercially available product does not mean it is based on any verifiable science or has undergone ANY kind of efficacy trails. No FRTA (Federal Reef Tank Admininstration

) I'm afraid.

Perhaps the the thing that seems to attract the most bad science is in the treatment of ich. Even seasoned reefers, who ought to know better, proliferate these myths. Doesn't mean, under certain circumstances, ich isn't manageable, but more often than not it proves disaterous to try.

tmz · 05/04/2014, 12:08 PM

I'm always concerned about organics I put in the aquarium water.

snorvich · 05/04/2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tmz

I'm always concerned about organics I put in the aquarium water.

Yes, there is that issue as well.

05/03/2014, 09:58 PM	#1
leewish Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Philly PA suburbs Posts: 156	Garlic? I see people posting about feeding garlic with food to get fish to eat. My question is how do you do this? Are you mixing minced garlic with the food? Are you mixing the food in the juice from minced garlic? Or are you using garlic powder? __________________ 22G zero edge lps tank Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer 250

05/03/2014, 10:03 PM	#2
ynot65 Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: okeechobee florida Posts: 385	http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...rlicGuard.html __________________ Keep on reefin Independence Tank, build http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2309295 Current Tank Info: DT 150gal w/ a 55 gal sump, also have a 55gal mixed reef as well as a 40 breeder and a 16gal nano. All are SW

05/03/2014, 11:39 PM	#4
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Waste of time IMO, and potentially detrimental to your fish. Cilantro, on the other hand ...... oh, never mind ..... __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

05/04/2014, 01:50 AM	#5
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05/04/2014, 03:53 AM	#7
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Garlic is not good for fish long term. And it has no value in preventing or curing parasites. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

05/03/2014, 10:57 PM	#3
cloak Moved On Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 14,854	http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php

05/04/2014, 02:06 AM	#6
cloak Moved On Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 14,854	Mint Julep?

05/04/2014, 07:56 AM	#11
Sleepiness Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 53	+1 on Garlic. I would not say it cures anything though. I had an ich outbreak and 2 of my 3 fish did not survive. My gramma was the lone survivor. He had ich and a serious case of fin rot. and I used seachem garlic for 2 weeks until real medication came in the mail.The gramma had practically zero fins from the rot. He did not swim much, he would just rest on a rock until food came. He did not have much of an appetite until I started using the garlic. I would just mix some with water with the garlic and suck it up in a small baster. The gramma would swim up to the baster and just swim around in the garlic solution like a maniac. I never feed with a baster so I am assuming he liked the garlic. I cant say for certain garlic helped but I believe it kept him around long enough to administer kanamycin. That was over a year ago and the happy little gramma is fully healed up.

05/04/2014, 07:57 AM	#12
Denbf58 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: selden N.Y. Posts: 885	There is not any proven benefits but when my puffer gets finicky I add garlic guard and it eats it up __________________ Life is good Current Tank Info: 75gal reef ready koralia 3, 30g sump, 4b 48" t5s lighting, 29g reef with breeding pair clowns 55g reef 55g freshwater

05/04/2014, 08:04 AM	#14
ahmed_iAM Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 419	Here's the article http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/index.php

05/04/2014, 08:04 AM	#15
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	And from Steven Pro. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

05/04/2014, 08:11 AM	#16
Sleepiness Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 53	Antimicrobial properties of allicin from garlic. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976

05/04/2014, 08:13 AM	#17
Sleepiness Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 53	last time I checked ich is a protozoa

05/04/2014, 08:36 AM	#18
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	Yes crytocaryon is a protoist not a bacteria. Allicn only lasts an hour or two when fresh garlic is crushed or damaged. Doubt you'll find any active allicin in the garlic juices and concentrates used in the hobby. Even if you could use fresh garlic as some have tried it wouldn't have an effect on marine fish disease. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

05/04/2014, 09:16 AM	#19
Sleepiness Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 53	Maybe so, but many of the compounds created by the decomposition of allicin have the same antimicrobial properties. Though not nearly as potent.

05/04/2014, 09:38 AM	#20
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Go back and read Steven Pro's article, which says: "The bad news is that this paper dealt with a bacterial infection. There is no relationship between garlic's effect on bacterial infections and parasitic infestations. Also, the fish were not fed garlic-laced food; they were injected with garlic extract. That brings into question whether feeding fish garlic extract would be as effective as injecting them with it. Additionally, the garlic extract was prepared freshly for every injection. This is particularly important when taking into account the effectiveness of commercial preparation, and also in light of the fact that allicin, the active ingredient in garlic, is unstable and prone to breakdown in a relatively short amount of time (Cortes-Jorge 2000). Furthermore, since garlic is a non-natural food, the antigen effect of a novel compound may have been responsible for increased immune response, and although they used a negative control (nothing), they did not use a similar variable - i.e. onion, paprika, nutmeg, or whatever else one has in their spice cabinet that they think might somehow help their fish fight disease). And finally, even though all the fish showed improvement by the end of the study, none of the fish was completely healed. They all remained infected with Mycobacterium marinum, although at low levels." However everyone is free to choose whatever method they think is viable. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

05/04/2014, 10:24 AM	#21
Sleepiness Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 53	I did not feed it either. It was more topical in nature. I am just speaking from my own personal experience when I say it helped prolong the life of the fish until I could administer a real medication. Take it for what its worth.

05/04/2014, 10:53 AM	#22
whosurcaddie Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,354	Fish go nuts for ginger root powder. http://www.amazon.com/Simply-Organic...ds=ginger+root

05/04/2014, 12:08 PM	#24
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	I'm always concerned about organics I put in the aquarium water. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.