New Tank ; Major problems!

cwindham · 05/13/2014, 02:29 AM

So I am brand new to the hobby and really jumped into it not knowing much about it. I have had my 60G tank now almost 4 weeks and started it with some LR and LS to really get a good jump. It is a fish only tank and I started with 2 clowns about a week after setting up my tank. Everything seemed to be going well! The clowns were doing great so i waited another week and went to PETCO and bought a yellow tang to go along with them as i was told that they would get along really well. After putting the Tang in my tank, both of my clowns died within days of the Tang being added. Both clowns started to lose color on the ends of their tails and both layed on the bottom of my tank lethargic and not eating. Now 4 days after my clowns died, my tang also did the same thing! This is getting very upsetting because i was really happy about starting my first salt water aquarium and now I have lost all 3 fish i have put in it?! Please can someone help me out!?

StaticM · 05/13/2014, 02:31 AM

Did you test your water to see if your cycle is complete before you added the fish? ammonia levels 0, Nitrite levels 0 and nitrate level below 10?

StaticM · 05/13/2014, 02:35 AM

also I would read up about the fish you want to keep seeing as the Yellow Tang needs a minimum tank size of around 100g. Some people do keep them when young and sell when they grow larger if the tank is small

cwindham · 05/13/2014, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by StaticM

Did you test your water to see if your cycle is complete before you added the fish? ammonia levels 0, Nitrite levels 0 and nitrate level below 10?

I took a sample of my tank water to PETCO and they tested it for me and told me that it was ready to go. The gentlemen there did also advise me that the tang would get too big for my tank and that I would eventually have to take him out. What could cause all of these suddens deaths? I'm getting very distraught about this. I added water to my tank as well but i did use a water purifier because i was adding tap water.

StaticM · 05/13/2014, 02:48 AM

I would say post as much detail possible about your tank setup and then see if any of the more experienced reefers cant help.

The only thing I can think of is toxins in the water, temp or saltanity

As I said post tank setup and updated parameters of your water.

doofed300 · 05/13/2014, 02:55 AM

even with LR and LS i suspect that your water aren't quite ready (are you using rodi water?) .. taking it somewhere to test might not be a great idea... You need to test constantly (once a weak at least, ammonia level is very important). I think what happen is the water quality aren't that great (toxic) to your fish and they are just hanging on... then you add a fish that you probably didn't quarantine (common problem will be ich). That added stress to your fish and they couldn't handle it.. What I recommend is get a "reef or salt water" test kit that measure ammonia, nitrite, nitrate at least those 3, make sure your water is cycled and test to make sure ammonia is 0. Then add some hardy fish (clown, damsel) let see if it doing well... test often, then slowly add more fish and read up on the hobby. (btw tang need a large space as well 60g barely up for a small tang)

cwindham · 05/13/2014, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doofed300

even with LR and LS i suspect that your water aren't quite ready (are you using rodi water?) .. taking it somewhere to test might not be a great idea... You need to test constantly (once a weak at least, ammonia level is very important). I think what happen is the water quality aren't that great (toxic) to your fish and they are just hanging on... then you add a fish that you probably didn't quarantine (common problem will be ich). That added stress to your fish and they couldn't handle it.. What I recommend is get a "reef or salt water" test kit that measure ammonia, nitrite, nitrate at least those 3, make sure your water is cycled and test to make sure ammonia is 0. Then add some hardy fish (clown, damsel) let see if it doing well... test often, then slowly add more fish and read up on the hobby. (btw tang need a large space as well 60g barely up for a small tang)

I have a 60G tank, with 10lbs of LR, an Emperor power filter 400 and an aqueon 200w heater. I have only filled my tank with regular tap water and used tap water conditioner to rid of toxins in the tap water. I will go buy a test kit and make sure that everything is alright with my water quality before going to get more fish. I was really worried that adding the tang i bought might have brought brooklynella into my tank? I've done some research on the disease but was not sure because of how the clowns lost their color on their tails before they died.

julie180 · 05/13/2014, 04:13 AM

Several problems.
#1 Slow down and start reading.
#2 You need more live rock 10lbs in a 60 gallon tank is way to little. Rule of thumb is approx 1 lb per gallon.
#3 Your fish mostly likely died from ammonia poisoning. Clown fish are extremely hardy and probably could handle the toxic ammonia, but when you added the tang, the ammonia spiked and killed everyone.
#4 To avoid problems in the future, using RODI water is a worthy investment. With tap water, you do not know what is dissolved in it.
#5 Learn to test your own water and keep a journal. This is the only way to track a cycle and know that it is complete. It will also help you diagnoses problems that might arise later.
#6 While there are PETCO employees that know saltwater, its probably not the norm. Do your own research before making purchases and do not rely on one persons opinion.

All that said, you can recover and have a successful tank if you educate yourself by reading and asking questions on this forum and take things VERY slowly.

Best of luck

scott3569 · 05/13/2014, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by julie180

Several problems.
#1 Slow down and start reading.
#2 You need more live rock 10lbs in a 60 gallon tank is way to little. Rule of thumb is approx 1 lb per gallon.
#3 Your fish mostly likely died from ammonia poisoning. Clown fish are extremely hardy and probably could handle the toxic ammonia, but when you added the tang, the ammonia spiked and killed everyone.
#4 To avoid problems in the future, using RODI water is a worthy investment. With tap water, you do not know what is dissolved in it.
#5 Learn to test your own water and keep a journal. This is the only way to track a cycle and know that it is complete. It will also help you diagnoses problems that might arise later.
#6 While there are PETCO employees that know saltwater, its probably not the norm. Do your own research before making purchases and do not rely on one persons opinion.

+1 I have had a 56 gal tank for about two months and just now getting to the point to where I can add CUC..most of the people in your local petco have little to no experience, Start doing so research here..

Search setting up a new tank..

Search Ich and how to control it.

sounds to me you need much more knowledge before going any further or else you are just going to continue to have problems.

All that said, you can recover and have a successful tank if you educate yourself by reading and asking questions on this forum and take things VERY slowly.

Best of luck

Hoopz87 · 05/13/2014, 06:06 AM

Agreed above, you need to buy the test kits and start doing them on your own, it's very easy. Only takes a few minutes. Get ones for your ammonia, nitrate, ph and as you go you should get others but those are the important tests for now. Tap water in certain areas just are not suitable, and products like prime and such do not take out your tds of your tap which also spikes phosphate and promotes rapid algae growth. I learned this firsthand, rodi water is extremely cheap And would only cost you a few bucks if even, per water change. It's normal to get a bit discouraged when losing fish, I did as well but you will learn, do a lot of reading and researching this forum, search and you won't believe how much you can learn.

Mrramsey · 05/13/2014, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by julie180

Several problems.
#1 Slow down and start reading.
#2 You need more live rock 10lbs in a 60 gallon tank is way to little. Rule of thumb is approx 1 lb per gallon.
#3 Your fish mostly likely died from ammonia poisoning. Clown fish are extremely hardy and probably could handle the toxic ammonia, but when you added the tang, the ammonia spiked and killed everyone.
#4 To avoid problems in the future, using RODI water is a worthy investment. With tap water, you do not know what is dissolved in it.
#5 Learn to test your own water and keep a journal. This is the only way to track a cycle and know that it is complete. It will also help you diagnoses problems that might arise later.
#6 While there are PETCO employees that know saltwater, its probably not the norm. Do your own research before making purchases and do not rely on one persons opinion.

All that said, you can recover and have a successful tank if you educate yourself by reading and asking questions on this forum and take things VERY slowly.

Best of luck

Yep Julie pretty much summed it up.

Get yourself a good quality test kit and learn to test your own water. What is the salinity of your water? Get a refractometer if you don't already have one. Finding a petco employee that knows fish is rare...finding one that knows saltwater is even rarer. I watched in awe one evening as a family was sold a tank, all of the equipment, rock, decorations etc. this was a little girls tank she was buying with some money she saved. Oh yes they had fish in hand when they purchased all with the help of their petco employee. Sad.

Also get yourself a quarantine tank. This needs no be nothing special but a place to house new fish for 4-6 weeks prior to putting them into the main tank with others. This allows the fish to adapt to your water and allows you to monitor them closely for disease or parasites so you can medicate them prior to introducing them. You have seen the harsh reality of moving too quickly in this hobby. The only things that happen fast in this hobby are bad.

Start today like it is a brand new tank at square one. Let the cycle run it's course. When the cycle is completed wait another week or so before adding your first hopefully quarantined fish. Once the new fish are in the tank you can get another one and load them into quarantine for 4-6 weeks. This will allow the time your tank needs to stabilize from adding the first fish. Patience is the key.

Cymonous · 05/13/2014, 08:23 AM

+1 to the above

Also, you can get dry rock that will eventually become live rock. Dry rock is a lot cheaper.

Definitely get your own test kits. Skip API, they are crap. And don't bother with a hydrometer, they are innacurate. Get a refractometer.

You can do a lot of shopping on bulkreefsupply.com , marinedepot.com , and even liveaquaria.com (they have suggestive tank sizes for fish)

I would suggest to read the stickies at the top of the forum(New to the Hobby). You need to read up on a proper cycle and the proper waiting period before adding fish.

arizona tech · 05/14/2014, 05:56 AM

how about a quarantine tank. if the clowns were fine for a week. then u brought in the tang and they all perished. i would think the tang brought in a disease. cant stress enough about a hospital tank.

Mrramsey · 05/14/2014, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by arizona tech

how about a quarantine tank. if the clowns were fine for a week. then u brought in the tang and they all perished. i would think the tang brought in a disease. cant stress enough about a hospital tank.

The clown were likely not fine. They were essentially in an up cycled tank for a week then the tang was added. The tank was too young to handle the load IMHO.

sponger0 · 05/14/2014, 06:14 AM

Slow down. You need to stop now. Start reading alot more.

Add more rock. Dont buy anymore fish. Read about the nitrogen cycle. Get test kits to do your own tests.

I know all this has been said but cant be expressed enough. There is alot more you need to know before starting

iceet · 05/14/2014, 06:16 AM

Get a quarantine tank bro.

EnderTurtle · 05/14/2014, 06:58 AM

Your fish were poisoned by their own waste.

zeroalpha · 05/14/2014, 07:02 AM

Yeah, I setup my tank back in early April and I know how you feel man. You're super excited to be getting your saltwater tank up and running and can't wait to add pretty fishies. I'd say it was very possible that your cycle hadn't even started yet. Or it if had, the small amount of biofiltration you had in the sand and rock could only handle two small fish (clowns). By adding the tang, you spiked ammonia that your tank couldn't handle. I doubt it was Ich.
One last note, and I might be a bit paranoid, but I've been duped by a couple of local fish stores now. I actually did the same thing as you and took a small baggie of my water to be tested. They told me I was "good to go." You've got to realize that you are buying a product at a store. Specifically a product that can't be returned. Lots of these employees are taught to sell, sell, sell. They sell, they look good and it doesn't matter that your fish died, it was fine at the store so it must be your tank parameters. Do your own research don't listen to the LFS guys, they'll sell you an Ich infested fish and tell you its not Ich but the newest hybrid bubble fish or some such. Good luck.

Triggerfish · 05/14/2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cwindham

So I am brand new to the hobby and really jumped into it not knowing much about it. It is a fish only tank and I started with 2 clowns about a week after setting up my tank.

did you do any basic research at all prior to adding fish to a week old tank? jeeez

GilliganReef · 05/14/2014, 11:43 AM

You will learn from your mistakes. When I first started with saltwater 9 years ago, I couldnt wait to get my first clown, but I waited until my tank was ready for the bio load. Next time try buying a cheap fish to make sure your tank can handle the load. Plus it will help with the cycle. My first damsel I have ever bought died a few days after being in the tank. It just takes time and reading a lot of information. When I started my third tank in the last year. I did my research for a year before starting another tank. I made sure I had all the tests kits and went out and bought RODI. In time with using tap you usually always ened up with brown algae or some sort of algae that is annoying. I rather spend my 7 bucks a week on buying 20 gallons of RODI over spending hundred of dollars trying to get rid of algae.

m0nkie · 05/14/2014, 12:12 PM

1) this hobby is going to take ALOT more studying than asking Petco.
2) there will be ALOT of maintenance/testing in the future. Petco should not be involved, beside buying some dry goods.
3) goooood luck! and start cashing in all your remaining pay checks. It's going to get a lot more expensive from here.

some items that you will need if you want to continue with this hobby:
-Lights, (LED, T5, Halogen)
-Your Emperor power filter 400 needs to go! Replace it with a sump + refugium
-Powerhead (for better flow inside the tank)
-Testing kits (ATC refractometer, Hannah Phosphate checker, Salfrite Nitrate, Nitrite, PH test Kits)
-RO/DI unit
-Auto top off systems
-Water reservoir for your auto top off and emergency salt water
-Quarantine tank

Also, are you acclimating your new fish by the drip method? Or did you dump the bag of salt water in your tank?

Nhunt · 05/14/2014, 12:35 PM

Don't get discouraged this hobby will teach you patience. When reading your responses remember we all have been in your shoes don't feel bad for doing what you did learn and move on.

airtime23 · 05/14/2014, 12:49 PM

You need to take a step back and a deep breath. You simply cannot rush anything in this hobby.

You have to be an informed customer. Read, research, get an understanding of the basics of water chemistry, husbandry, and being able to keep various species of fish and other livestock.

You're going to continue to kill livestock if you don't slow down and learn more about this hobby first.

Here's a good starting place. Read every thread in this link:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1031074

sponger0 · 05/14/2014, 12:54 PM

The OP may have gotten run off lol.

Be we can all see the trend everyone is getting at.

Stop now. Go research. Then act once the research is done. Understand, the nitrogen cycle , different species and their relationship towards one another then take a stab at being a reefer once you are informed.

m0nkie · 05/14/2014, 01:38 PM

I think you guys scared him off too..

OP. I spent about a month or two on the forums to learn to build the "perfect" setup for me. Probably will take the next few months of cycle time to build my fish list and learn their behaviors.

Same as you, I went to a local fish store and got all pumped after seeing the fish. Came home with $1000 worth of stuff (mostly junk that I had to sell or return) and expected to have fish in a week or two. Signed up on the forum, got REALLY disappointed.. I literally STOPPED everything and started reading every single thread :P

$3000 later I'm ready to add water

my friends now call me the fishless tank guy..

05/13/2014, 08:23 AM	#12
Cymonous My Clown Attacks Me Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,105	+1 to the above Also, you can get dry rock that will eventually become live rock. Dry rock is a lot cheaper. Definitely get your own test kits. Skip API, they are crap. And don't bother with a hydrometer, they are innacurate. Get a refractometer. You can do a lot of shopping on bulkreefsupply.com , marinedepot.com , and even liveaquaria.com (they have suggestive tank sizes for fish) I would suggest to read the stickies at the top of the forum(New to the Hobby). You need to read up on a proper cycle and the proper waiting period before adding fish. __________________ 100 Gallon Long with 20L sump 10 Gallon Office Tank Current Tank Info: 2 False Percula Clowns, One Spot Foxface, Diamond Watchman Goby, Yellow Tail Damsel, Engineer Goby

05/14/2014, 07:02 AM	#18
zeroalpha Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 56	Yeah, I setup my tank back in early April and I know how you feel man. You're super excited to be getting your saltwater tank up and running and can't wait to add pretty fishies. I'd say it was very possible that your cycle hadn't even started yet. Or it if had, the small amount of biofiltration you had in the sand and rock could only handle two small fish (clowns). By adding the tang, you spiked ammonia that your tank couldn't handle. I doubt it was Ich. One last note, and I might be a bit paranoid, but I've been duped by a couple of local fish stores now. I actually did the same thing as you and took a small baggie of my water to be tested. They told me I was "good to go." You've got to realize that you are buying a product at a store. Specifically a product that can't be returned. Lots of these employees are taught to sell, sell, sell. They sell, they look good and it doesn't matter that your fish died, it was fine at the store so it must be your tank parameters. Do your own research don't listen to the LFS guys, they'll sell you an Ich infested fish and tell you its not Ich but the newest hybrid bubble fish or some such. Good luck. __________________ "Do or do not, there is no try." Tank: 90G reef, 120lbs of live rock, .5 to 1 inch of medium sand, 2 eBay 165w LEDs, 3 hydor 1150 powerheads, sc302 180 skimmer in a 10g sump, 1 150w heater. Current Tank Info: Livestock: CuC: ~60 snails (Cerith, Nerite, Nassarius), 2 Peppermint Shrimp, 1 dwarf blue leg hermit

05/14/2014, 12:12 PM	#21
m0nkie Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: LA Posts: 6,264	1) this hobby is going to take ALOT more studying than asking Petco. 2) there will be ALOT of maintenance/testing in the future. Petco should not be involved, beside buying some dry goods. 3) goooood luck! and start cashing in all your remaining pay checks. It's going to get a lot more expensive from here. some items that you will need if you want to continue with this hobby: -Lights, (LED, T5, Halogen) -Your Emperor power filter 400 needs to go! Replace it with a sump + refugium -Powerhead (for better flow inside the tank) -Testing kits (ATC refractometer, Hannah Phosphate checker, Salfrite Nitrate, Nitrite, PH test Kits) -RO/DI unit -Auto top off systems -Water reservoir for your auto top off and emergency salt water -Quarantine tank Also, are you acclimating your new fish by the drip method? Or did you dump the bag of salt water in your tank? __________________ 560gal in the making Last edited by m0nkie; 05/14/2014 at 12:20 PM.

05/14/2014, 01:38 PM	#25
m0nkie Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: LA Posts: 6,264	I think you guys scared him off too.. OP. I spent about a month or two on the forums to learn to build the "perfect" setup for me. Probably will take the next few months of cycle time to build my fish list and learn their behaviors. Same as you, I went to a local fish store and got all pumped after seeing the fish. Came home with $1000 worth of stuff (mostly junk that I had to sell or return) and expected to have fish in a week or two. Signed up on the forum, got REALLY disappointed.. I literally STOPPED everything and started reading every single thread :P $3000 later I'm ready to add water my friends now call me the fishless tank guy.. __________________ 560gal in the making

05/13/2014, 02:29 AM	#1
cwindham Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 9	New Tank ; Major problems! So I am brand new to the hobby and really jumped into it not knowing much about it. I have had my 60G tank now almost 4 weeks and started it with some LR and LS to really get a good jump. It is a fish only tank and I started with 2 clowns about a week after setting up my tank. Everything seemed to be going well! The clowns were doing great so i waited another week and went to PETCO and bought a yellow tang to go along with them as i was told that they would get along really well. After putting the Tang in my tank, both of my clowns died within days of the Tang being added. Both clowns started to lose color on the ends of their tails and both layed on the bottom of my tank lethargic and not eating. Now 4 days after my clowns died, my tang also did the same thing! This is getting very upsetting because i was really happy about starting my first salt water aquarium and now I have lost all 3 fish i have put in it?! Please can someone help me out!?

05/13/2014, 02:31 AM	#2
StaticM Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: South Africa Posts: 53	Did you test your water to see if your cycle is complete before you added the fish? ammonia levels 0, Nitrite levels 0 and nitrate level below 10?

05/13/2014, 02:35 AM	#3
StaticM Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: South Africa Posts: 53	also I would read up about the fish you want to keep seeing as the Yellow Tang needs a minimum tank size of around 100g. Some people do keep them when young and sell when they grow larger if the tank is small

05/13/2014, 02:48 AM	#5
StaticM Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: South Africa Posts: 53	I would say post as much detail possible about your tank setup and then see if any of the more experienced reefers cant help. The only thing I can think of is toxins in the water, temp or saltanity As I said post tank setup and updated parameters of your water.

05/13/2014, 02:55 AM	#6
doofed300 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 166	even with LR and LS i suspect that your water aren't quite ready (are you using rodi water?) .. taking it somewhere to test might not be a great idea... You need to test constantly (once a weak at least, ammonia level is very important). I think what happen is the water quality aren't that great (toxic) to your fish and they are just hanging on... then you add a fish that you probably didn't quarantine (common problem will be ich). That added stress to your fish and they couldn't handle it.. What I recommend is get a "reef or salt water" test kit that measure ammonia, nitrite, nitrate at least those 3, make sure your water is cycled and test to make sure ammonia is 0. Then add some hardy fish (clown, damsel) let see if it doing well... test often, then slowly add more fish and read up on the hobby. (btw tang need a large space as well 60g barely up for a small tang)

05/13/2014, 04:13 AM	#8
julie180 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Raymore, MO Posts: 2,556	Several problems. #1 Slow down and start reading. #2 You need more live rock 10lbs in a 60 gallon tank is way to little. Rule of thumb is approx 1 lb per gallon. #3 Your fish mostly likely died from ammonia poisoning. Clown fish are extremely hardy and probably could handle the toxic ammonia, but when you added the tang, the ammonia spiked and killed everyone. #4 To avoid problems in the future, using RODI water is a worthy investment. With tap water, you do not know what is dissolved in it. #5 Learn to test your own water and keep a journal. This is the only way to track a cycle and know that it is complete. It will also help you diagnoses problems that might arise later. #6 While there are PETCO employees that know saltwater, its probably not the norm. Do your own research before making purchases and do not rely on one persons opinion. All that said, you can recover and have a successful tank if you educate yourself by reading and asking questions on this forum and take things VERY slowly. Best of luck

05/13/2014, 06:06 AM	#10
Hoopz87 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 414	Agreed above, you need to buy the test kits and start doing them on your own, it's very easy. Only takes a few minutes. Get ones for your ammonia, nitrate, ph and as you go you should get others but those are the important tests for now. Tap water in certain areas just are not suitable, and products like prime and such do not take out your tds of your tap which also spikes phosphate and promotes rapid algae growth. I learned this firsthand, rodi water is extremely cheap And would only cost you a few bucks if even, per water change. It's normal to get a bit discouraged when losing fish, I did as well but you will learn, do a lot of reading and researching this forum, search and you won't believe how much you can learn.

05/14/2014, 05:56 AM	#13
arizona tech Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south elgin Posts: 342	how about a quarantine tank. if the clowns were fine for a week. then u brought in the tang and they all perished. i would think the tang brought in a disease. cant stress enough about a hospital tank.

05/14/2014, 06:14 AM	#15
sponger0 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 6,659	Slow down. You need to stop now. Start reading alot more. Add more rock. Dont buy anymore fish. Read about the nitrogen cycle. Get test kits to do your own tests. I know all this has been said but cant be expressed enough. There is alot more you need to know before starting

05/14/2014, 06:16 AM	#16
iceet Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 194	Get a quarantine tank bro.

05/14/2014, 06:58 AM	#17
EnderTurtle BAR - Sponsorships Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 521	Your fish were poisoned by their own waste.

05/14/2014, 11:43 AM	#20
GilliganReef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 379	You will learn from your mistakes. When I first started with saltwater 9 years ago, I couldnt wait to get my first clown, but I waited until my tank was ready for the bio load. Next time try buying a cheap fish to make sure your tank can handle the load. Plus it will help with the cycle. My first damsel I have ever bought died a few days after being in the tank. It just takes time and reading a lot of information. When I started my third tank in the last year. I did my research for a year before starting another tank. I made sure I had all the tests kits and went out and bought RODI. In time with using tap you usually always ened up with brown algae or some sort of algae that is annoying. I rather spend my 7 bucks a week on buying 20 gallons of RODI over spending hundred of dollars trying to get rid of algae.

05/14/2014, 12:35 PM	#22
Nhunt Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: East Bay Posts: 87	Don't get discouraged this hobby will teach you patience. When reading your responses remember we all have been in your shoes don't feel bad for doing what you did learn and move on.

05/14/2014, 12:49 PM	#23
airtime23 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Charlotte Posts: 488	You need to take a step back and a deep breath. You simply cannot rush anything in this hobby. You have to be an informed customer. Read, research, get an understanding of the basics of water chemistry, husbandry, and being able to keep various species of fish and other livestock. You're going to continue to kill livestock if you don't slow down and learn more about this hobby first. Here's a good starting place. Read every thread in this link: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1031074

05/14/2014, 12:54 PM	#24
sponger0 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 6,659	The OP may have gotten run off lol. Be we can all see the trend everyone is getting at. Stop now. Go research. Then act once the research is done. Understand, the nitrogen cycle , different species and their relationship towards one another then take a stab at being a reefer once you are informed.