Add another tang, choices ?

Scubaken · 09/10/2015, 05:59 PM

Tank is 6x3x3

Been set up for 4 + years.

Current stocking
Emperor Angel 8inches
Regal tang 5 inches
Yellow tang 4 inches
Choc tang 4 inches
Bristle tooth tang 4 inches
Clown wrasse adult
Leopard Wrasse adult
Cleaner wrasse adult
2 fire fish
4 clowns
Black back butterfly
12 chromis blue
Coral beauty
2 gobies (Bert and ernie)
Enormous sandsifting star fish
Blue star fish

Want to add another tang, unicorn, orange shoulder, Achilles, powder blue ? Something that will deal with my very grumpy emperor angel, all my fish have been in there for years, so I'm a little concerned with aggression.

Thoughts guys ?

thegrun · 09/10/2015, 08:34 PM

Your tank is large enough, but with an establish fish population I suspect it will be very difficult, I just don't see the existing tangs welcoming a newbie.

Scubaken · 09/10/2015, 09:04 PM

What about a harlequin Tusk ?

Would a tusk eat my star fish ?
What about a Picasso trigger ? Would a Picasso eat my star fish ?

figuerres · 09/10/2015, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scubaken

What about a harlequin Tusk ?

Would a tusk eat my star fish ?
What about a Picasso trigger ? Would a Picasso eat my star fish ?

how long has each fish been in the tank ?
have any of them been there for more than 2 years ?

Scubaken · 09/10/2015, 09:17 PM

All been in there 4+ years now, I don't lose fish except for the odd jumping chromis 😉

lagatbezan · 09/10/2015, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scubaken

What about a harlequin Tusk ?

Would a tusk eat my star fish ?
What about a Picasso trigger ? Would a Picasso eat my star fish ?

I believe they would make a nice meal out of your starfish. Your clowns might also be at risk with the trigger.

Scubaken · 09/11/2015, 11:33 AM

Yeah that's my worry too. I need something that will.stand up.to.the tyrant angel, but won't eat my other things? Oh decisions decisions.

nuxx · 09/11/2015, 12:17 PM

Chevron!

anthonys51 · 09/11/2015, 12:20 PM

your tank seems awesome and doing great. why mess with it

WaReefer458 · 09/11/2015, 04:16 PM

Vlamingy tangs are awesome! Should have no problem as long as you get one over 5" or so

Scubaken · 09/11/2015, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonys51

your tank seems awesome and doing great. why mess with it

I'm not messing with it, I am trying to grow it further.
I want to increase the livestock and add more personalities and colour

mattgumaer · 09/12/2015, 06:18 AM

I'm sure others have way more knowledge on the subject but, I think adding a new tang to a tank with that many established tangs, is going to be a gamble, at best. There could be some clues given by your current tangs' behavior. Is one dominant? Are they all more-or-less evenly matched, giving each other a little bit of a hard time periodically? Have they been together so long they completely ignore each other? I would think #2 would be the situation most likely to be successful but it would still be far from a guarantee. I might also try adding a smaller tang (one more likely not to be perceived as 'competition' for dominance rather than trying to add a large tang that can 'hold his own'). Again, I'm sure others have way more experience so take the above with a grain of salt. Good luck.

Matt

jminick2 · 09/12/2015, 06:41 AM

a big naso or Achilles or both adding two might help.

figuerres · 09/12/2015, 06:59 AM

Well I will just say this, that tank has several fish that should be growing every year; as they grow the behavior will become more pronounced, the swimming of some will use more open water, some of them may start to fight. I would not want to complicate this by adding more to that mix.
Some tangs can grow an inch a year and reach a foot long, some angels can be a foot and a half long. Yes this tank is large but is it large enough for the fish you have? Not when they are all adults In my opinion. It' not just gallons it's also swim space and can they get far enough apart to not feel territorial aggression kick in.
Also I am wondering if the growth so far is normal, did they start as really small fish? Are they getting enough food? Are the dominant ones getting all the food and holding back growth of others?
Ok I may be wrong but that is what I wonder about with the information given.

Scubaken · 09/12/2015, 09:12 AM

The fish are all "over weight" that's coming from the local fish store who pops in once a mo th for tea, and my friends, who have similar fish, I have owned all these fish since they were very small, most of them used to live in a 93 cube, I also have a very large 6 foot sump which is full of live rock, critters and algae, there is a great deal of swimming space available, most of the fish listed above spend their day swimming through the cave and rock formation, yes there are fish like the clowns who never move from the bottom corner where they believe they are king, the gobies only come out at night, the chromis swim mid to upper level, the big boy swims where he likes, the big regal pretty much swims where she likes.
I believe my tangs are about the right size for their age, my big boy is heading towards the foot mark and will probably out grow this tank at that point, (10 foot tank is already designed and approved, although I am trying to have it built in my new house, as this would require building in the house and that's never a good thing to try and move EVER.

I feed the fish 2 times a day with frozen (3 cubes of each food), 4 times a day (2 pellets, and 2 dried, through timers) I use 4 sheets of nori, and everyone says I over feed, the 1st feed of the day is a frenzy , after that things are very mellow, all food is gone in a matter of a couple of minutes.

Scubaken · 09/12/2015, 10:44 AM

http://youtu.be/JNxh2WfQ-e4

Here is the tank. I can't upload on here, I don't know why ?

figuerres · 09/12/2015, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scubaken

The fish are all "over weight" that's coming from the local fish store who pops in once a mo th for tea, and my friends, who have similar fish, I have owned all these fish since they were very small, most of them used to live in a 93 cube, I also have a very large 6 foot sump which is full of live rock, critters and algae, there is a great deal of swimming space available, most of the fish listed above spend their day swimming through the cave and rock formation, yes there are fish like the clowns who never move from the bottom corner where they believe they are king, the gobies only come out at night, the chromis swim mid to upper level, the big boy swims where he likes, the big regal pretty much swims where she likes.
I believe my tangs are about the right size for their age, my big boy is heading towards the foot mark and will probably out grow this tank at that point, (10 foot tank is already designed and approved, although I am trying to have it built in my new house, as this would require building in the house and that's never a good thing to try and move EVER.

I feed the fish 2 times a day with frozen (3 cubes of each food), 4 times a day (2 pellets, and 2 dried, through timers) I use 4 sheets of nori, and everyone says I over feed, the 1st feed of the day is a frenzy , after that things are very mellow, all food is gone in a matter of a couple of minutes.

ok thanks that video helps a lot to see the tank and the fish...
I hope you did not take offense at my questions, this is posted in "new to the hobby" and between the fish count and the time given and where you posted I just was a bit skeptical.

I think you have plenty of fish in that tank, imho I think i's stick with what is there and look at what you will do with moving to the new setup and what fish to add when you have it up and running. that's my op anyway.

Scubaken · 09/12/2015, 12:50 PM

I always post in the newbie section, you get a lots of opinions and answers and it gives the newer guys a opportunity to get involved in the conversation and see what others are doing.

ca1ore · 09/12/2015, 01:25 PM

Adding a new fish to an established population is always a risk. You can shift the odds in favor of the newcomer by running it through a period if QT to ensure that its eating and has a healthy weight. When adding a 'conditioned' tang to my tank, and employing a bit of common sense with choice of fish, I'm successful about 80% of the time. 20% failure does not mean fish demise, necessarily, just removal.

nuxx · 09/14/2015, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scubaken

http://youtu.be/JNxh2WfQ-e4

Here is the tank. I can't upload on here, I don't know why ?

Looking good

Add the video like this... remove spaces

[ youtube ] JNxh2WfQ-e4 [/ youtube ]

Will end up like this:

Scubaken · 09/14/2015, 09:08 PM

Thank you, I'm away from the tank and home right now, I sure miss these guys ��

My big angel is a terrible poser ! LoL.

09/10/2015, 05:59 PM	#1
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	Add another tang, choices ? Tank is 6x3x3 Been set up for 4 + years. Current stocking Emperor Angel 8inches Regal tang 5 inches Yellow tang 4 inches Choc tang 4 inches Bristle tooth tang 4 inches Clown wrasse adult Leopard Wrasse adult Cleaner wrasse adult 2 fire fish 4 clowns Black back butterfly 12 chromis blue Coral beauty 2 gobies (Bert and ernie) Enormous sandsifting star fish Blue star fish Want to add another tang, unicorn, orange shoulder, Achilles, powder blue ? Something that will deal with my very grumpy emperor angel, all my fish have been in there for years, so I'm a little concerned with aggression. Thoughts guys ?

09/11/2015, 12:17 PM	#8
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09/12/2015, 06:41 AM	#13
jminick2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,226	a big naso or Achilles or both adding two might help. __________________ “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” Current Tank Info: 300g sps tank

09/12/2015, 06:59 AM	#14
figuerres Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Plant City,FL,USA Posts: 1,339 Blog Entries: 15	Well I will just say this, that tank has several fish that should be growing every year; as they grow the behavior will become more pronounced, the swimming of some will use more open water, some of them may start to fight. I would not want to complicate this by adding more to that mix. Some tangs can grow an inch a year and reach a foot long, some angels can be a foot and a half long. Yes this tank is large but is it large enough for the fish you have? Not when they are all adults In my opinion. It' not just gallons it's also swim space and can they get far enough apart to not feel territorial aggression kick in. Also I am wondering if the growth so far is normal, did they start as really small fish? Are they getting enough food? Are the dominant ones getting all the food and holding back growth of others? Ok I may be wrong but that is what I wonder about with the information given. __________________ Denny, Geek of all things... I guess I could fit the phrase "inquiring minds want to know..." :-) Current Tank Info: 150 reef tank underway, getting it stocked

09/12/2015, 01:25 PM	#19
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Adding a new fish to an established population is always a risk. You can shift the odds in favor of the newcomer by running it through a period if QT to ensure that its eating and has a healthy weight. When adding a 'conditioned' tang to my tank, and employing a bit of common sense with choice of fish, I'm successful about 80% of the time. 20% failure does not mean fish demise, necessarily, just removal. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

09/10/2015, 08:34 PM	#2
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	Your tank is large enough, but with an establish fish population I suspect it will be very difficult, I just don't see the existing tangs welcoming a newbie.

09/10/2015, 09:04 PM	#3
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	What about a harlequin Tusk ? Would a tusk eat my star fish ? What about a Picasso trigger ? Would a Picasso eat my star fish ?

09/10/2015, 09:17 PM	#5
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	All been in there 4+ years now, I don't lose fish except for the odd jumping chromis 😉

09/11/2015, 11:33 AM	#7
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	Yeah that's my worry too. I need something that will.stand up.to.the tyrant angel, but won't eat my other things? Oh decisions decisions.

09/11/2015, 12:20 PM	#9
anthonys51 Registered Member. Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kings Park, NY Posts: 2,789	your tank seems awesome and doing great. why mess with it

09/11/2015, 04:16 PM	#10
WaReefer458 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 333	Vlamingy tangs are awesome! Should have no problem as long as you get one over 5" or so

09/12/2015, 06:18 AM	#12
mattgumaer Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 561	I'm sure others have way more knowledge on the subject but, I think adding a new tang to a tank with that many established tangs, is going to be a gamble, at best. There could be some clues given by your current tangs' behavior. Is one dominant? Are they all more-or-less evenly matched, giving each other a little bit of a hard time periodically? Have they been together so long they completely ignore each other? I would think #2 would be the situation most likely to be successful but it would still be far from a guarantee. I might also try adding a smaller tang (one more likely not to be perceived as 'competition' for dominance rather than trying to add a large tang that can 'hold his own'). Again, I'm sure others have way more experience so take the above with a grain of salt. Good luck. Matt

09/12/2015, 09:12 AM	#15
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	The fish are all "over weight" that's coming from the local fish store who pops in once a mo th for tea, and my friends, who have similar fish, I have owned all these fish since they were very small, most of them used to live in a 93 cube, I also have a very large 6 foot sump which is full of live rock, critters and algae, there is a great deal of swimming space available, most of the fish listed above spend their day swimming through the cave and rock formation, yes there are fish like the clowns who never move from the bottom corner where they believe they are king, the gobies only come out at night, the chromis swim mid to upper level, the big boy swims where he likes, the big regal pretty much swims where she likes. I believe my tangs are about the right size for their age, my big boy is heading towards the foot mark and will probably out grow this tank at that point, (10 foot tank is already designed and approved, although I am trying to have it built in my new house, as this would require building in the house and that's never a good thing to try and move EVER. I feed the fish 2 times a day with frozen (3 cubes of each food), 4 times a day (2 pellets, and 2 dried, through timers) I use 4 sheets of nori, and everyone says I over feed, the 1st feed of the day is a frenzy , after that things are very mellow, all food is gone in a matter of a couple of minutes.

09/12/2015, 10:44 AM	#16
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	http://youtu.be/JNxh2WfQ-e4 Here is the tank. I can't upload on here, I don't know why ?

09/12/2015, 12:50 PM	#18
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	I always post in the newbie section, you get a lots of opinions and answers and it gives the newer guys a opportunity to get involved in the conversation and see what others are doing.

09/14/2015, 09:08 PM	#21
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	Thank you, I'm away from the tank and home right now, I sure miss these guys �� My big angel is a terrible poser ! LoL.