BioLoad & Corals List advice!

expo703 · 11/02/2015, 04:17 PM

Tank is 72x18x24 ~135gal+ 30 gal sump.

Have:
(2) Ocellaris clownfish, CUC ( Hermits and snails)

Want:
(1) Yellow Tang
(1) Blue Tang
(1) Royal Gramma
(1) Long-Horn Cowfish
(1) Fire Angel
(1) Copper Band Butterfly
(2) Lyretail anthias
(1) RBTA

Maybe:
(1) Wrasse?
(1) Marine beta?
(2) Black &White Ocellaris clownfish?

Corals- Want:

Torch, Hammer, Toadstool, Monti Cap, Brain, acro, birdnest, mushrooms

Lights: (3 Hydra 26's)

Flow: Two neptune wav's and two 3rd gen 1350 gph Hydor's

Question on corals - I have Kalkwasser haven't used it yet obviously and a ATO. I hope I don't need a calcium reactor because I don't have much room under my stand and already have a GFO & Carbon reactor. Do you think I will need a calcium reactor?

What you guys think?

Critique on Aquascape? (First timer)

shifty51008 · 11/02/2015, 05:58 PM

Blue tang = Hippo tang? If so skip that as it will get to big for your tank. The rest of your want list looks good but remembrer the cowfish can poision the tank if stressed.

As for your maybe list only 1 clownfish pair per tank so skip a second pair. And im not sure about betta's so wait for others to chime in.

With those corals you should be fine not needing a cal reactor, kalk should keep up or if not you can look into doseing randys 2 part.

As for the aquascape i think it looks good.

Reef Frog · 11/02/2015, 06:35 PM

You'll never "need"'a calcium reactor per se as automated 2 part dosing is always an option. In the beginning, water changes should cover your needs. As you add Stoney corals & others grow, your needs will increase and you can phase in your kalk reactor. Later you may decide on 2 part or a calcium reactor is a better choice. So periodic testing with good kits is a must.

expo703 · 11/02/2015, 10:35 PM

yeah blue tang - I will sell it if it gets too big I heard 135 6 foot long tank should be good as i will get it as a juvenile and will get all my fish small. I was thinking about maybe getting a claim and I know they suck calcium out of the water.. I guess..I do have a apex so i will look at the dos in the future if I need it.. as for the cowfish from what I have read its basically a myth about it crashing a tank.

so you don't think everything on my wanted list is not to heavy on the bio load? I have a vertex omega 150 and 8x8x1 marine pure block in my sump

(1) Yellow Tang
(1) Blue Tang
(1) Royal Gramma
(1) Long-Horn Cowfish
(1) Fire Angel
(1) Copper Band Butterfly
(2) Lyretail anthias
(1) RBTA
(1) Wrasse
(1) Marine beta

shifty51008 · 11/02/2015, 10:57 PM

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1946007

Hippo tangs need a 8' 240 gal tank, its not a matter of if it gets to big but when it gets to big. But other than that you should be ok, copperbands are difficult to get to eat so deff make sure it is eating when you buy it and anthias should be feed multiple times per day so an auto feeder is a good idea, i feed mine 4 times a day with a mix of flakes and pellets and once a day with a mix of frozen.

shifty51008 · 11/02/2015, 10:59 PM

Just looked up the cowfish, they reach a size of 1'8" and are suggested to go into a 250 gal tank so i would skip that fish

expo703 · 11/03/2015, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shifty51008

Just looked up the cowfish, they reach a size of 1'8" and are suggested to go into a 250 gal tank so i would skip that fish

Thanks yeah I know they get big but planned on trading them in once they started getting really big as I was planning on getting all my fish as juvinelies. I will also think about the hippo tang i was thinking maybe kole tang, powder blue, and yellow instead.

Is there any particular order you guys suggest I add these fish? I have a 20 gal QT long that is about 1 more week away from cycling.

Planned on getting coral/RBTA first maybe this weekend then once QT tank is up and going adding the fire angel, anthias, tangs, wrasse, royal not sure on the order though I guess tangs would be last?

Sk8r · 11/03/2015, 01:17 PM

The market for oversized fish is just non-existent. You first have to find a guy with an 8 foot tank that doesn't have his own hippo tang. CHances are you won't even be able to give the fish away.

Clownfish Chris · 11/03/2015, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8r

The market for oversized fish is just non-existent. You first have to find a guy with an 8 foot tank that doesn't have his own hippo tang. CHances are you won't even be able to give the fish away.

You may be able to donate it to a local aquarium?

I have an 8ft tank that I was looking to put one in. It was advised against unless it was the only tang. I wouldn't take it with that knowledge.

expo703 · 11/03/2015, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8r

The market for oversized fish is just non-existent. You first have to find a guy with an 8 foot tank that doesn't have his own hippo tang. CHances are you won't even be able to give the fish away.

I thought I could trade it in for store credit at a LFS or something! If not i'm fine with not buying one but really enjoy the look of them!

I'm not in any rush can someone chime in about the order you would suggest adding to my QT then DT.

So i'm thinking my full tank will be : Seem okay for 135gal?

(2) Clowns ( been in the tank for 2 months )
(1) Yellow Tang
(1) Powder Blue Tang
(1) Kole Tang
(1) Royal Gramma
(1) Fire Angel
(1) Copper Band Butterfly
(2) Lyretail anthias
(1) RBTA
(1) Flasher Wrasse
(1) Marine beta

expo703 · 11/04/2015, 09:35 PM

Anyone? I'm going to buy some fish this weekend and want to know what to get first or how many etc etc I have a 20 gal long (not sure on the order though I guess tangs would be last? ) want to have a game plan!

stingeragent · 11/04/2015, 09:49 PM

A. Slow down
B. Slow down
C. You want to add from least aggressive to most aggressive.
D. Fire angel may be a bad choice if you plan to add coral.
E. It's typically best if you can manage it to only QT 1 fish at a time. The more fish you stick in a QT magnifies the chance one of them will have a disease and spread to the others. Sk8r posted a thread about this a couple days ago. Here. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2535902
F. Be wary of selling fish when they get huge. The premise seems simple, but it is actually much harder than you would think. I tore down one of my tanks a month ago and had 2 aggressive fish I needed to get rid of. Had them posted for sale for at least 2 months, and even cheaply priced never got an offer. Ended up having to donate them to a LFS. Depending on what LFS you have in your area, and how big there tanks are, they may even refuse them.

Gramma/ anthias, wrasse
angel, butterfly, beta,
clowns
3 tangs

Slim_okrug · 11/05/2015, 05:25 AM

Just want to say my expiriance with tangs. 210 cm ( i think about 7 feet ) tank with 25-ish fish in it. Have 3 tangs . Yellow, blue and Achanturus Japonicus. No problem at all.

expo703 · 11/05/2015, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stingeragent

A. Slow down
B. Slow down
C. You want to add from least aggressive to most aggressive.
D. Fire angel may be a bad choice if you plan to add coral.
E. It's typically best if you can manage it to only QT 1 fish at a time. The more fish you stick in a QT magnifies the chance one of them will have a disease and spread to the others. Sk8r posted a thread about this a couple days ago. Here. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2535902
F. Be wary of selling fish when they get huge. The premise seems simple, but it is actually much harder than you would think. I tore down one of my tanks a month ago and had 2 aggressive fish I needed to get rid of. Had them posted for sale for at least 2 months, and even cheaply priced never got an offer. Ended up having to donate them to a LFS. Depending on what LFS you have in your area, and how big there tanks are, they may even refuse them.

Gramma/ anthias, wrasse
angel, butterfly, beta,
clowns
3 tangs

I'm going slow

I just want to know what is aggressive and what isn't b.c i'm new to salt and want to add them in the correct order. I know my clowns are aggressive but they are already in the tank and have been for 2 months.

So you suggest in this order :

1 royal Gramma
2 lytail anthias
1 Flasher wrasse
1 fire angel
1 copperband butterfly
1 marine beta
3 tangs

should the tangs be 1 fish at a time? If so which tangs first thinking yellow,kole,powder blue - I would like to add a yellow tang asap can that move up the list without issues?

Thanks!

coolxborg · 11/05/2015, 11:25 AM

When I was stocking my 150, I asked steve (snorvich) if I can have 3 tangs and he advised against it as they are all algae grazers. I would pick 2 of the 3.

And as others have mentioned, you will need to add the tangs last. If you add the yellow first, he will likely be aggressive towards your additions after him.

Also, you may want to rethink the copperband as it may develop an appetite for your corals.

expo703 · 11/05/2015, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolxborg

When I was stocking my 150, I asked steve (snorvich) if I can have 3 tangs and he advised against it as they are all algae grazers. I would pick 2 of the 3.

And as others have mentioned, you will need to add the tangs last. If you add the yellow first, he will likely be aggressive towards your additions after him.

Also, you may want to rethink the copperband as it may develop an appetite for your corals.

I will keep a eye on him and the angel - would you suggest QT them at same time then and adding them at the same time or one at a time and if so which one is first?

coolxborg · 11/05/2015, 11:50 AM

Stingeragent answered that pretty well for you (and read through Sk8r's post). I personally have QT'd 2-3 fish at the same time, but it doesnt mean its right. I lost fish along the way. Could it be directly related to having them in the same QT? Im not sure.

If you have the means to do it, I would follow Sk8r's post.

expo703 · 11/05/2015, 01:23 PM

I get it he said 1 at a time.. I read sk8r's post the day it came out I'm well aware less fish is better. I'm asking which Tang should be added first, yellow, kole, powder blue, etc etc and I heard adding them at the same time is best..I have a 20gal long and was planning on doing 2 at a time and hopefully they are around the same size. Assuming yellow is more aggressive than kole,powder blue, or achilles tang?

coolxborg · 11/05/2015, 01:44 PM

I dont have an answer as to which tang is more aggressive. I believe its a matter of if they establish a territory.

Yes, I would add the tangs together if you can.

e048 · 11/05/2015, 01:52 PM

Should be fine id skip the flame angel with any of those corals imo lps and angels don't mix and that copperband will nip at your corals too.

Marine betta would work just don't keep small fish of shrimp in the tank. Full size marine betta will eat a full grown cleaner shrimp

expo703 · 11/05/2015, 03:50 PM

Thanks guys! Thanks for noting the marine beta I was planning on getting a skunk cleaner shrimp maybe I won't now..what about fire shrimp same thing? Ahh well hopefully they don't nip I really like the butterfly and fire angel..

So is this a light/medium/heavy bio load for my 160gal total system? How much more can I add or should I not even think about it!

2 clowns ( in DT )
1 royal Gramma ( will add first )
2 lytail anthias (will add second )
1 Carpenter Flasher wrasse (will add 3rd )
1 fire angel - if not fire angel maybe lawnmore blenny or Bluespotted Watchman Goby and shrimp ( will add 4th? )
1 or 2 skunk cleaner shrimp
maybe starfish or tuxido urchin
1 copperband butterfly (will add 5th)
1 marine beta (will add 6th)
3 tangs (will add 7/8/9th)

11/02/2015, 04:17 PM	#1
expo703 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 311	BioLoad & Corals List advice! Tank is 72x18x24 ~135gal+ 30 gal sump. Have: (2) Ocellaris clownfish, CUC ( Hermits and snails) Want: (1) Yellow Tang (1) Blue Tang (1) Royal Gramma (1) Long-Horn Cowfish (1) Fire Angel (1) Copper Band Butterfly (2) Lyretail anthias (1) RBTA Maybe: (1) Wrasse? (1) Marine beta? (2) Black &White Ocellaris clownfish? Corals- Want: Torch, Hammer, Toadstool, Monti Cap, Brain, acro, birdnest, mushrooms Lights: (3 Hydra 26's) Flow: Two neptune wav's and two 3rd gen 1350 gph Hydor's Question on corals - I have Kalkwasser haven't used it yet obviously and a ATO. I hope I don't need a calcium reactor because I don't have much room under my stand and already have a GFO & Carbon reactor. Do you think I will need a calcium reactor? What you guys think? Critique on Aquascape? (First timer) Last edited by expo703; 11/02/2015 at 04:28 PM.

11/02/2015, 05:58 PM	#2
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Blue tang = Hippo tang? If so skip that as it will get to big for your tank. The rest of your want list looks good but remembrer the cowfish can poision the tank if stressed. As for your maybe list only 1 clownfish pair per tank so skip a second pair. And im not sure about betta's so wait for others to chime in. With those corals you should be fine not needing a cal reactor, kalk should keep up or if not you can look into doseing randys 2 part. As for the aquascape i think it looks good. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/02/2015, 10:57 PM	#5
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1946007 Hippo tangs need a 8' 240 gal tank, its not a matter of if it gets to big but when it gets to big. But other than that you should be ok, copperbands are difficult to get to eat so deff make sure it is eating when you buy it and anthias should be feed multiple times per day so an auto feeder is a good idea, i feed mine 4 times a day with a mix of flakes and pellets and once a day with a mix of frozen. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/02/2015, 10:59 PM	#6
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Just looked up the cowfish, they reach a size of 1'8" and are suggested to go into a 250 gal tank so i would skip that fish __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/03/2015, 01:17 PM	#8
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	The market for oversized fish is just non-existent. You first have to find a guy with an 8 foot tank that doesn't have his own hippo tang. CHances are you won't even be able to give the fish away. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

11/02/2015, 06:35 PM	#3
Reef Frog Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,121	You'll never "need"'a calcium reactor per se as automated 2 part dosing is always an option. In the beginning, water changes should cover your needs. As you add Stoney corals & others grow, your needs will increase and you can phase in your kalk reactor. Later you may decide on 2 part or a calcium reactor is a better choice. So periodic testing with good kits is a must.

11/02/2015, 10:35 PM	#4
expo703 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 311	yeah blue tang - I will sell it if it gets too big I heard 135 6 foot long tank should be good as i will get it as a juvenile and will get all my fish small. I was thinking about maybe getting a claim and I know they suck calcium out of the water.. I guess..I do have a apex so i will look at the dos in the future if I need it.. as for the cowfish from what I have read its basically a myth about it crashing a tank. so you don't think everything on my wanted list is not to heavy on the bio load? I have a vertex omega 150 and 8x8x1 marine pure block in my sump (1) Yellow Tang (1) Blue Tang (1) Royal Gramma (1) Long-Horn Cowfish (1) Fire Angel (1) Copper Band Butterfly (2) Lyretail anthias (1) RBTA (1) Wrasse (1) Marine beta

11/04/2015, 09:35 PM	#11
expo703 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 311	Anyone? I'm going to buy some fish this weekend and want to know what to get first or how many etc etc I have a 20 gal long (not sure on the order though I guess tangs would be last? ) want to have a game plan!

11/04/2015, 09:49 PM	#12
stingeragent Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,032	A. Slow down B. Slow down C. You want to add from least aggressive to most aggressive. D. Fire angel may be a bad choice if you plan to add coral. E. It's typically best if you can manage it to only QT 1 fish at a time. The more fish you stick in a QT magnifies the chance one of them will have a disease and spread to the others. Sk8r posted a thread about this a couple days ago. Here. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2535902 F. Be wary of selling fish when they get huge. The premise seems simple, but it is actually much harder than you would think. I tore down one of my tanks a month ago and had 2 aggressive fish I needed to get rid of. Had them posted for sale for at least 2 months, and even cheaply priced never got an offer. Ended up having to donate them to a LFS. Depending on what LFS you have in your area, and how big there tanks are, they may even refuse them. Gramma/ anthias, wrasse angel, butterfly, beta, clowns 3 tangs

11/05/2015, 05:25 AM	#13
Slim_okrug Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Okrug Gornji Posts: 47	Just want to say my expiriance with tangs. 210 cm ( i think about 7 feet ) tank with 25-ish fish in it. Have 3 tangs . Yellow, blue and Achanturus Japonicus. No problem at all.

11/05/2015, 11:25 AM	#15
coolxborg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 190	When I was stocking my 150, I asked steve (snorvich) if I can have 3 tangs and he advised against it as they are all algae grazers. I would pick 2 of the 3. And as others have mentioned, you will need to add the tangs last. If you add the yellow first, he will likely be aggressive towards your additions after him. Also, you may want to rethink the copperband as it may develop an appetite for your corals.

11/05/2015, 11:50 AM	#17
coolxborg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 190	Stingeragent answered that pretty well for you (and read through Sk8r's post). I personally have QT'd 2-3 fish at the same time, but it doesnt mean its right. I lost fish along the way. Could it be directly related to having them in the same QT? Im not sure. If you have the means to do it, I would follow Sk8r's post.

11/05/2015, 01:23 PM	#18
expo703 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 311	I get it he said 1 at a time.. I read sk8r's post the day it came out I'm well aware less fish is better. I'm asking which Tang should be added first, yellow, kole, powder blue, etc etc and I heard adding them at the same time is best..I have a 20gal long and was planning on doing 2 at a time and hopefully they are around the same size. Assuming yellow is more aggressive than kole,powder blue, or achilles tang?

11/05/2015, 01:44 PM	#19
coolxborg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 190	I dont have an answer as to which tang is more aggressive. I believe its a matter of if they establish a territory. Yes, I would add the tangs together if you can.

11/05/2015, 01:52 PM	#20
e048 Registered Member. Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 598	Should be fine id skip the flame angel with any of those corals imo lps and angels don't mix and that copperband will nip at your corals too. Marine betta would work just don't keep small fish of shrimp in the tank. Full size marine betta will eat a full grown cleaner shrimp

11/05/2015, 03:50 PM	#21
expo703 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 311	Thanks guys! Thanks for noting the marine beta I was planning on getting a skunk cleaner shrimp maybe I won't now..what about fire shrimp same thing? Ahh well hopefully they don't nip I really like the butterfly and fire angel.. So is this a light/medium/heavy bio load for my 160gal total system? How much more can I add or should I not even think about it! 2 clowns ( in DT ) 1 royal Gramma ( will add first ) 2 lytail anthias (will add second ) 1 Carpenter Flasher wrasse (will add 3rd ) 1 fire angel - if not fire angel maybe lawnmore blenny or Bluespotted Watchman Goby and shrimp ( will add 4th? ) 1 or 2 skunk cleaner shrimp maybe starfish or tuxido urchin 1 copperband butterfly (will add 5th) 1 marine beta (will add 6th) 3 tangs (will add 7/8/9th) Last edited by expo703; 11/05/2015 at 04:37 PM.