Something is wrong but I don't know what

tanyamikephil · 03/09/2016, 12:34 PM

All of a sudden my Zenia and Devils Hand have closed up and won't open as of yesterday. Ive had them both for a couple of months with no problems. Can anyone tell me what the problem might be please?

My calcium was low but not bad at all and I've already been treating that to correct the issue. My Nitrate was also up but again not bad, and this is being corrected too, however I don't think this is the issue because i have been working on these 2 levels to correct them for the past couple weeks and zenia and devils hand were fine up until yesterday.

I recently added a frogspawn and a long tentacles anemone to the tank, but I have made sure they are not able to touch anything to sting it.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

thegrun · 03/09/2016, 12:43 PM

#1 suggestion: list all your known water parameters. "Not bad at all" tells us absolutely nothing! We need something to help diagnose your problem, the more information you provide the better. List all known water parameters, equipment you are using, any dosing you are doing....
Give us something to work with.

scooter31707 · 03/09/2016, 12:46 PM

The Devils Hand which is a leather that closes up from time to time to shed their skin. This process can last from a day to a week, IME. I don't have any experience with Zenia. What are the results for Alk? What fish are in the tank, are they nipping? More info..

nuttyd · 03/09/2016, 01:13 PM

Have you noticed that the anemone has changed locations at all?

Sk8r · 03/09/2016, 01:23 PM

Good advice.
Alkalinity is a must to track with any coral. s/b 7.9-9, and 8.3 is a good middling figure.

Mixing stony with softies is difficult for beginners. Get your parameters stable, and put all softies 'down current' of the stonies, plus run carbon habitually; change that out at least monthly or it may saturate and start releasing problems.

thelawnwrangler · 03/09/2016, 01:30 PM

What are you doing to reduce nitrates? I have never had Xenia, but heard that the like some nitrates.

tanyamikephil · 03/09/2016, 02:39 PM

If alkalinity is the same thing as carbonate hardness then that is fine and within normal levels. To reduce nitrate we are doing a 20% water change every 2 weeks using RO/DI water, have put in a new carbon filter, and bought a Purigen product that we added to the sump to help reduce it. For the low calcium I am treating with Aquavitro calcification twice a week until the levels come up, as per instructions. I am also making sure that Im not overfeeding. I have 2 test kits, saltwater and reef. The nitrate is coming in at 10ppm and the calcium 340. All of the other levels, ph, kh, phosphate, nitrite are fine. The anemome has not changed locations.
Equipment wise we have a sump pump on the back of the tank and a protein skimmer, both highly rated.

Sk8r · 03/09/2016, 03:01 PM

If your calcium is holding at 340, it is low, and likely so is your alk and magnesium. Set your parameters as per my sig line and the situation may improve, but carbon will uptake the toxic spit that softies give off to discourage stonies.

tanyamikephil · 03/09/2016, 03:12 PM

Getting a tank established is very stressful

Deefish714 · 03/09/2016, 03:16 PM

stressful at times yes. but the outcome is def worth the stress involved.

tanyamikephil · 03/09/2016, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deefish714

stressful at times yes. but the outcome is def worth the stress involved.

Sapelo · 03/09/2016, 03:59 PM

There is no magic wand to reefing, it takes time and patience and both in abundance.

heathlindner25 · 03/09/2016, 04:31 PM

If your calcium slipped I know your alkalinity did..... Coral hate alkalinity swings

tanyamikephil · 03/09/2016, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heathlindner25

If your calcium slipped I know your alkalinity did..... Coral hate alkalinity swings

Thank you. I hope that's it and things will improve with treatments

tanyamikephil · 03/09/2016, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapelo

There is no magic wand to reefing, it takes time and patience and both in abundance.

well i intend to figure this out and then eventually can relax and enjoy

03/09/2016, 01:23 PM	#5
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Good advice. Alkalinity is a must to track with any coral. s/b 7.9-9, and 8.3 is a good middling figure. Mixing stony with softies is difficult for beginners. Get your parameters stable, and put all softies 'down current' of the stonies, plus run carbon habitually; change that out at least monthly or it may saturate and start releasing problems. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

03/09/2016, 03:01 PM	#8
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	If your calcium is holding at 340, it is low, and likely so is your alk and magnesium. Set your parameters as per my sig line and the situation may improve, but carbon will uptake the toxic spit that softies give off to discourage stonies. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

03/09/2016, 03:16 PM	#10
Deefish714 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 215	stressful at times yes. but the outcome is def worth the stress involved. __________________ Deefish714

03/09/2016, 12:34 PM	#1
tanyamikephil Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 129	Something is wrong but I don't know what All of a sudden my Zenia and Devils Hand have closed up and won't open as of yesterday. Ive had them both for a couple of months with no problems. Can anyone tell me what the problem might be please? My calcium was low but not bad at all and I've already been treating that to correct the issue. My Nitrate was also up but again not bad, and this is being corrected too, however I don't think this is the issue because i have been working on these 2 levels to correct them for the past couple weeks and zenia and devils hand were fine up until yesterday. I recently added a frogspawn and a long tentacles anemone to the tank, but I have made sure they are not able to touch anything to sting it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

03/09/2016, 12:43 PM	#2
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	#1 suggestion: list all your known water parameters. "Not bad at all" tells us absolutely nothing! We need something to help diagnose your problem, the more information you provide the better. List all known water parameters, equipment you are using, any dosing you are doing.... Give us something to work with.

03/09/2016, 12:46 PM	#3
scooter31707 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,971	The Devils Hand which is a leather that closes up from time to time to shed their skin. This process can last from a day to a week, IME. I don't have any experience with Zenia. What are the results for Alk? What fish are in the tank, are they nipping? More info..

03/09/2016, 01:13 PM	#4
nuttyd Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Coral Gables Posts: 520	Have you noticed that the anemone has changed locations at all?

03/09/2016, 01:30 PM	#6
thelawnwrangler Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Northern New Jersey Posts: 863	What are you doing to reduce nitrates? I have never had Xenia, but heard that the like some nitrates.

03/09/2016, 02:39 PM	#7
tanyamikephil Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 129	If alkalinity is the same thing as carbonate hardness then that is fine and within normal levels. To reduce nitrate we are doing a 20% water change every 2 weeks using RO/DI water, have put in a new carbon filter, and bought a Purigen product that we added to the sump to help reduce it. For the low calcium I am treating with Aquavitro calcification twice a week until the levels come up, as per instructions. I am also making sure that Im not overfeeding. I have 2 test kits, saltwater and reef. The nitrate is coming in at 10ppm and the calcium 340. All of the other levels, ph, kh, phosphate, nitrite are fine. The anemome has not changed locations. Equipment wise we have a sump pump on the back of the tank and a protein skimmer, both highly rated.

03/09/2016, 03:12 PM	#9
tanyamikephil Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 129	Getting a tank established is very stressful

03/09/2016, 03:59 PM	#12
Sapelo Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: North Georgia Posts: 869	There is no magic wand to reefing, it takes time and patience and both in abundance.

03/09/2016, 04:31 PM	#13
heathlindner25 Moved On Join Date: May 2012 Location: flowery branch georgia Posts: 3,644	If your calcium slipped I know your alkalinity did..... Coral hate alkalinity swings