QT Hyposalinity treat NEW fish

boshk · 04/01/2016, 04:12 PM

How many instantly assume their 'new' fish has Ich and use Hyposalinity in their QT?

I have 2 QT atm

1) I have a YWG for 2 weeks in a small QT (normal parameters)......eats well, no spots as yet......IF he has Ich hidden, I would see at least 1 spot within the next 1-2 weeks right?

2) I bought a few new fish yesterday and placed them in the bigger QT.
Just debating whether I should hyposalinity now for 4 weeks OR wait 2-3 weeks to see if they develop spots

opinions?

thegrun · 04/01/2016, 05:37 PM

IMHO the tank transfer method is much less stressful to the fish than hypo-salinity and is easier to preform than keeping a tank in a very narrow salinity window. I use the TTM on all new fish but if I was using hypo-salinity I would take a wait and see approach rather than treat without reason. I also treat all new fish with PraziPro during the TTM.

Sonyardo · 04/01/2016, 06:41 PM

I treat with prazi pro and follow up with 6 weeks of hypo-salinity for observation.

snorvich · 04/01/2016, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thegrun

IMHO the tank transfer method is much less stressful to the fish than hypo-salinity and is easier to preform than keeping a tank in a very narrow salinity window. I use the TTM on all new fish but if I was using hypo-salinity I would take a wait and see approach rather than treat without reason. I also treat all new fish with PraziPro during the TTM.

This.

boshk · 04/02/2016, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thegrun

IMHO the tank transfer method is much less stressful to the fish than hypo-salinity and is easier to preform than keeping a tank in a very narrow salinity window. I use the TTM on all new fish but if I was using hypo-salinity I would take a wait and see approach rather than treat without reason. I also treat all new fish with PraziPro during the TTM.

so you basically start right away with TTM and assume the new fish you got has ich or do you wait 2 weeks to see if any of the fish comes out with white spots on pectoral fin?

kmbyrnes · 04/02/2016, 05:31 AM

I assume all new fish have ich and do TTM from the start. It is really very little effort for a huge return.
They have to be isolated anyway, so a few extra moves won't matter much, and I have never noticed a fish get over stressed from the transfer process itself.

snorvich · 04/02/2016, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by boshk

so you basically start right away with TTM and assume the new fish you got has ich or do you wait 2 weeks to see if any of the fish comes out with white spots on pectoral fin?

I do TTM immediately but precede that with a formalin bath. Ich may not be visibly present.

hvacman250 · 04/02/2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by snorvich

I do TTM immediately but precede that with a formalin bath. Ich may not be visibly present.

Same for me.

30-45 min Formalin bath, then into TT #1.
TT#2 PraziPro.
TT#3.
TT#4 PraziPro.
TT#5 Formalin bath, then into QT tank and observe for 4-6 weeks.

Sometimes I will do a 3rd PraziPro in the observation tank, but rarely.

Then 3rd Formalin bath before releasing fish into tank (into an acclimation container,)

bjolly · 04/02/2016, 10:41 AM

are there any fish that can't handle the formalin bath? or is this safe for all fish?

snorvich · 04/02/2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bjolly

are there any fish that can't handle the formalin bath? or is this safe for all fish?

All species should be fine. I do not know about eels.

Tripp102370 · 04/03/2016, 09:46 PM

I've read the TTM and QT stickies but didn't see anything regarding wrasses during this time. How is the sand issue addressed? I assume a small bowl of sand for them to sleep in is ok and it will need to be discarded after each 72 hrs period? How is the cycle handled then? I wouldn't think pulling from the DT sand would be advisable as if there is ich in the tank-I'd constantly introduce it to the TTM?

I have a purple tang that decided to go rogue and kill all but 6 fish in my tank... I'm going to give him away and thought I should do the TTM method for the remaining fish and Qt afterwards to allow my display to go fallow for 72 days-just to be safe, but two of the remaining fish (and new ones to be added in the future) are wrasses... Also, there are two mated/hosting clowns... How are they handled being pulled from their nem?

Sorry for the long post, but this is a process I want to get right...

Thanks!

Tripp

thegrun · 04/04/2016, 12:06 AM

Wrasses are fine during the TTM by providing them with a few PVC elbows and short lengths of pipe for them to hide in. Once I have them in the quarantine tank after the TTM I provide them with a bowl of sand to burrow into. You need to use new sand, nothing from an infected tank.

ThRoewer · 04/04/2016, 02:17 AM

While I don't agree that hyposalinity is stressful for fish nor that it is difficult to maintain the salinity stable (the latter remark usually comes from people who have never tried it, otherwise they should know better), it is usually not an ideal preventive measure for small numbers of new fish.

For new fish TTM is usually more suitable and more flexible if you have to switch to a different treatment. Though I would probably reduce the salinity to 1.016 for stress reduction and to save some salt.

Though when you have to treat a large number of fish against a clearly identified case of ich, hyposalinity is easier.

snorvich · 04/04/2016, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ThRoewer

While I don't agree that hyposalinity is stressful for fish nor that it is difficult to maintain the salinity stable (the latter remark usually comes from people who have never tried it, otherwise they should know better), it is usually not an ideal preventive measure for small numbers of new fish.

For new fish TTM is usually more suitable and more flexible if you have to switch to a different treatment. Though I would probably reduce the salinity to 1.016 for stress reduction and to save some salt.

Though when you have to treat a large number of fish against a clearly identified case of ich, hyposalinity is easier.

I agree.

04/02/2016, 05:31 AM	#6
kmbyrnes Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 2,055	I assume all new fish have ich and do TTM from the start. It is really very little effort for a huge return. They have to be isolated anyway, so a few extra moves won't matter much, and I have never noticed a fish get over stressed from the transfer process itself. __________________ 125g Mixed Reef 5/26/2015; 350 Butterfly Dominated FOWLR 11/26/2015 - 11/17/20217 & 07/31/18 to ??? ; 100g Mixed Reef 11/16/2013 to 06/16/2017 Current Tank Info: Too small

04/04/2016, 02:17 AM	#13
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	While I don't agree that hyposalinity is stressful for fish nor that it is difficult to maintain the salinity stable (the latter remark usually comes from people who have never tried it, otherwise they should know better), it is usually not an ideal preventive measure for small numbers of new fish. For new fish TTM is usually more suitable and more flexible if you have to switch to a different treatment. Though I would probably reduce the salinity to 1.016 for stress reduction and to save some salt. Though when you have to treat a large number of fish against a clearly identified case of ich, hyposalinity is easier. __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

04/01/2016, 04:12 PM	#1
boshk Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 184	QT Hyposalinity treat NEW fish How many instantly assume their 'new' fish has Ich and use Hyposalinity in their QT? I have 2 QT atm 1) I have a YWG for 2 weeks in a small QT (normal parameters)......eats well, no spots as yet......IF he has Ich hidden, I would see at least 1 spot within the next 1-2 weeks right? 2) I bought a few new fish yesterday and placed them in the bigger QT. Just debating whether I should hyposalinity now for 4 weeks OR wait 2-3 weeks to see if they develop spots opinions?

04/01/2016, 05:37 PM	#2
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	IMHO the tank transfer method is much less stressful to the fish than hypo-salinity and is easier to preform than keeping a tank in a very narrow salinity window. I use the TTM on all new fish but if I was using hypo-salinity I would take a wait and see approach rather than treat without reason. I also treat all new fish with PraziPro during the TTM.

04/01/2016, 06:41 PM	#3
Sonyardo Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: OC California Posts: 522	I treat with prazi pro and follow up with 6 weeks of hypo-salinity for observation.

04/02/2016, 10:41 AM	#9
bjolly Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Baltimore Posts: 599	are there any fish that can't handle the formalin bath? or is this safe for all fish?

04/03/2016, 09:46 PM	#11
Tripp102370 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Dallas Posts: 25	I've read the TTM and QT stickies but didn't see anything regarding wrasses during this time. How is the sand issue addressed? I assume a small bowl of sand for them to sleep in is ok and it will need to be discarded after each 72 hrs period? How is the cycle handled then? I wouldn't think pulling from the DT sand would be advisable as if there is ich in the tank-I'd constantly introduce it to the TTM? I have a purple tang that decided to go rogue and kill all but 6 fish in my tank... I'm going to give him away and thought I should do the TTM method for the remaining fish and Qt afterwards to allow my display to go fallow for 72 days-just to be safe, but two of the remaining fish (and new ones to be added in the future) are wrasses... Also, there are two mated/hosting clowns... How are they handled being pulled from their nem? Sorry for the long post, but this is a process I want to get right... Thanks! Tripp

04/04/2016, 12:06 AM	#12
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	Wrasses are fine during the TTM by providing them with a few PVC elbows and short lengths of pipe for them to hide in. Once I have them in the quarantine tank after the TTM I provide them with a bowl of sand to burrow into. You need to use new sand, nothing from an infected tank.