LFS- has a fish I want but...

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 10:50 AM

The fish has ich... She told me should "dip" the fish and it would be ready to go in a few days..

Now maybe I am over thinking this, but Im not certain I want the fish anymore. I really do not want to have any problems in my tank or with my other fish. Considering its a pretty new tank.

Am I being overly insane about this or what??

sde1500 · 08/09/2016, 10:52 AM

Considering it is pretty common to just assume all fish have ich, and QT them, unless the outbreak is really really bad I don't see why not. Unless it is an easier to get fish, then can't hurt to wait on another.

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sde1500

Considering it is pretty common to just assume all fish have ich, and QT them, unless the outbreak is really really bad I don't see why not. Unless it is an easier to get fish, then can't hurt to wait on another.

ok, thank you. I knew it was common, I am just being crazy about this tank. I have been searching for this certain fish for a while, with no luck until sunday. Figures it would have a problem and couldn't come home with me.

gone fishin · 08/09/2016, 10:57 AM

Do you plan on QT the fish? if so then if the fish still seems healthy other than the ich get it.

If you do not plan to QT then it is a crap shoot either way. Good luck just my 2cents.

Sk8r · 08/09/2016, 10:58 AM

No way. She sheds the fish, you get the bill---and she makes a profit if it kills all your other fish and then dies.

Whatever it is, you can order it online, maybe not as cheaply, but life is long, tanks last for years, and this is not the last of its kind, not even if it's a coelocanth. Dip the fish and it'll be ok, indeed---not!

JohnnyHildo · 08/09/2016, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8r

No way. She sheds the fish, you get the bill---and she makes a profit if it kills all your other fish and then dies.

Whatever it is, you can order it online, maybe not as cheaply, but life is long, tanks last for years, and this is not the last of its kind, not even if it's a coelocanth. Dip the fish and it'll be ok, indeed---not!

agreed.
i'm not sticking anything in my tank that already has obvious signs of stress.
would you stick a coral frag in that is covered with apstasia and bubble algae? i sure don't.

texdoc77 · 08/09/2016, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8r

not even if it's a coelocanth.

This, its hard enough to start with healthy fish, don't make it harder.

By the way this is an absolutely hilarious response, made my day!!!

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8r

No way. She sheds the fish, you get the bill---and she makes a profit if it kills all your other fish and then dies.

Whatever it is, you can order it online, maybe not as cheaply, but life is long, tanks last for years, and this is not the last of its kind, not even if it's a coelocanth. Dip the fish and it'll be ok, indeed---not!

Ok thank you Sk8r. That was my gut feeling that it wouldnt matter what she did, that some how i would end up dealing with it.

I have been iffy about ordering fish online, but at this time it may be my only option.

Thank you again.

toothybugs · 08/09/2016, 11:44 AM

What kind of fish are we talking about here?

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHildo

agreed.
i'm not sticking anything in my tank that already has obvious signs of stress.
would you stick a coral frag in that is covered with apstasia and bubble algae? i sure don't.

nope sure wouldnt.

Lrfox · 08/09/2016, 11:48 AM

OP, as a newbie who is "obsessed" with his tank, I can relate. I've wanted a Flameback Angel badly since I started up my most recent tank (in fact, I wanted one before I started). One of my LFS had/has one that's about an inch long, active, happy, etc. I said I would wait until my tank is mature to buy one and I have to admit, the impulse has been hard to fight now that I've seen it in person. However, I know I can get one on LiveAquaria or another site when I'm actually ready (set an in-stock alert if it's not currently available). I'd rather have to pay extra for shipping than have to buy the same fish twice because I wasn't ready/ it wasn't healthy.

I lost a coral beauty (bought the first one I saw even though it had clear physical injuries) on my first SW tank over a decade ago. It's tough to fight the urge, but listen to the others here.

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toothybugs

What kind of fish are we talking about here?

I knew that was coming..
Don't laugh.. promise.....

It was a tiny tiny itty bitty blue tang for my daughter. She has been asking for one and I finally found a wee little baby one....
It was a sad car ride home.

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lrfox

OP, as a newbie who is "obsessed" with his tank, I can relate. I've wanted a Flameback Angel badly since I started up my most recent tank (in fact, I wanted one before I started). One of my LFS had/has one that's about an inch long, active, happy, etc. I said I would wait until my tank is mature to buy one and I have to admit, the impulse has been hard to fight now that I've seen it in person. However, I know I can get one on LiveAquaria or another site when I'm actually ready (set an in-stock alert if it's not currently available). I'd rather have to pay extra for shipping than have to buy the same fish twice because I wasn't ready/ it wasn't healthy.

I lost a coral beauty (bought the first one I saw even though it had clear physical injuries) on my first SW tank over a decade ago. It's tough to fight the urge, but listen to the others here.

We have lost a whole tank before.. 150 gallon went bye bye in the blink of an eye because of a boxfish... Ever since then, I am so paranoid.

Ou8me2 · 08/09/2016, 11:51 AM

I wouldn't risk it myself. There are plenty of places to get healthy fish and I don't think I would buy anything from that store livestock wise. She want's to sell it and not deal with it and make money with no guarantee it will live or make it. She needs to treat it and then you can buy it if you feel the need.

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ou8me2

I wouldn't risk it myself. There are plenty of places to get healthy fish and I don't think I would buy anything from that store livestock wise. She want's to sell it and not deal with it and make money with no guarantee it will live or make it. She needs to treat it and then you can buy it if you feel the need.

I am researching other places to get fish.. Where I am there are not a ton of fish stores. Closest one is a half hour away and they just get farther from there.

But I think I am going to pass on this fish, and just wait till I find another one. I really do not want to chance it with this little one.

billdogg · 08/09/2016, 12:12 PM

What Sk8r said, x 10,000. Especially a Blue Tang. They may very well be the worst fish there is when it comes to being disease prone. In addition, the very small ones have a dismal survival rate even if purchased in good health.

Can you tell us about your tank? Size, age, filtration, lighting, water parameters (with actual numbers).

Perhaps we could offer a suitable alternative.

Regardless, not using a proper QT for ANY fish is sorta like playing Russian roulette with 5 of 6 chambers loaded, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE QT, and think long and hard about TTM (tank transfer method) to prevent problems in the DT.

sde1500 · 08/09/2016, 12:21 PM

Oh yea, blue tangs aren't hard to get at all. I wouldn't bother.

Ou8me2 · 08/09/2016, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JodiM

I am researching other places to get fish.. Where I am there are not a ton of fish stores. Closest one is a half hour away and they just get farther from there.

But I think I am going to pass on this fish, and just wait till I find another one. I really do not want to chance it with this little one.

I feel your pain. All I have in my town is Petco and a Local Pet Store that has been in business for 30+ years. The Local Pet Store is horrible and I honestly don't know how they have survived all these years. The Local Pet Store makes Petco look good!!! So I have to drive at least an hour to get to good quality places to buy from.

Sk8r · 08/09/2016, 12:45 PM

We had an amusing thread going re 'Dory' in which it became apparent that kids (and many adults) have a real good imagination and would happily settle for any yellow and blue fish named Dory. The little yellowtail damsel stays a very appropriate size for Nemo, and they can partner forever. Real Dory gets a foot long, fat, and cranky.

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8r

We had an amusing thread going re 'Dory' in which it became apparent that kids (and many adults) have a real good imagination and would happily settle for any yellow and blue fish named Dory. The little yellowtail damsel stays a very appropriate size for Nemo, and they can partner forever. Real Dory gets a foot long, fat, and cranky.

Yup we have a yellowtail damsel now that everyone calls Dory, so it isn't a huge deal.
But situations like this is exactly why I dislike taking my children with me to the fish store! haha

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billdogg

What Sk8r said, x 10,000. Especially a Blue Tang. They may very well be the worst fish there is when it comes to being disease prone. In addition, the very small ones have a dismal survival rate even if purchased in good health.

Can you tell us about your tank? Size, age, filtration, lighting, water parameters (with actual numbers).

Perhaps we could offer a suitable alternative.

Regardless, not using a proper QT for ANY fish is sorta like playing Russian roulette with 5 of 6 chambers loaded, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE QT, and think long and hard about TTM (tank transfer method) to prevent problems in the DT.

Starting off small this time,
36 gallon bow front with sump
I am about 3 weeks in I think, I jump started my cycle to get it moving more quickly. So far so good.
I have an LED Fluval sea 25000K
My water levels, are pretty good (imo anyways)
Salt: 1.024
PH:8.1
Temp: 80.5
NH3:0
NO2:0
NO3:10ppm
Calcium: 410
Magnesium: 1200

Please let me know if you see anything wrong with those numbers. From what I have been reading, they are within normal limits

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sde1500

Oh yea, blue tangs aren't hard to get at all. I wouldn't bother.

True, just never seen one this small. Which would be perfect, it would give me plenty of time to set up a larger tank. But the want is not worth the risk in this case.

hkgar · 08/09/2016, 01:31 PM

I admit I haven't read every post and this may have been said.

To the OP (and others) I believe that all new fish should go through TTM (with 2PraziPro treatments) then into QT for an additional 4 weeks. ALL fish

JodiM · 08/09/2016, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkgar

I admit I haven't read every post and this may have been said.

To the OP (and others) I believe that all new fish should go through TTM (with 2PraziPro treatments) then into QT for an additional 4 weeks. ALL fish

Does TTM take 2 tanks? I am thinking of the correct thing here?

billdogg · 08/09/2016, 02:00 PM

two tanks, 2 5g buckets, whatever will work thats big enough.

08/09/2016, 10:50 AM	#1
JodiM Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Michigan Posts: 119	LFS- has a fish I want but... The fish has ich... She told me should "dip" the fish and it would be ready to go in a few days.. Now maybe I am over thinking this, but Im not certain I want the fish anymore. I really do not want to have any problems in my tank or with my other fish. Considering its a pretty new tank. Am I being overly insane about this or what??

08/09/2016, 10:52 AM	#2
sde1500 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glocester, RI Posts: 3,336	Considering it is pretty common to just assume all fish have ich, and QT them, unless the outbreak is really really bad I don't see why not. Unless it is an easier to get fish, then can't hurt to wait on another. __________________ My build thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2548422 Current Tank Info: 65 gallon mixed reef, Eshopps sump and HOB overflow, RO-110int skimmer, Reefbreeder 32" photons V1.

08/09/2016, 10:57 AM	#4
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	Do you plan on QT the fish? if so then if the fish still seems healthy other than the ich get it. If you do not plan to QT then it is a crap shoot either way. Good luck just my 2cents. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

08/09/2016, 10:58 AM	#5
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	No way. She sheds the fish, you get the bill---and she makes a profit if it kills all your other fish and then dies. Whatever it is, you can order it online, maybe not as cheaply, but life is long, tanks last for years, and this is not the last of its kind, not even if it's a coelocanth. Dip the fish and it'll be ok, indeed---not! __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/09/2016, 12:12 PM	#16
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	What Sk8r said, x 10,000. Especially a Blue Tang. They may very well be the worst fish there is when it comes to being disease prone. In addition, the very small ones have a dismal survival rate even if purchased in good health. Can you tell us about your tank? Size, age, filtration, lighting, water parameters (with actual numbers). Perhaps we could offer a suitable alternative. Regardless, not using a proper QT for ANY fish is sorta like playing Russian roulette with 5 of 6 chambers loaded, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE QT, and think long and hard about TTM (tank transfer method) to prevent problems in the DT. __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

08/09/2016, 11:44 AM	#9
toothybugs In Memoriam Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The smallest county in Illinois Posts: 1,986	What kind of fish are we talking about here?

08/09/2016, 11:48 AM	#11
Lrfox Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Posts: 38	OP, as a newbie who is "obsessed" with his tank, I can relate. I've wanted a Flameback Angel badly since I started up my most recent tank (in fact, I wanted one before I started). One of my LFS had/has one that's about an inch long, active, happy, etc. I said I would wait until my tank is mature to buy one and I have to admit, the impulse has been hard to fight now that I've seen it in person. However, I know I can get one on LiveAquaria or another site when I'm actually ready (set an in-stock alert if it's not currently available). I'd rather have to pay extra for shipping than have to buy the same fish twice because I wasn't ready/ it wasn't healthy. I lost a coral beauty (bought the first one I saw even though it had clear physical injuries) on my first SW tank over a decade ago. It's tough to fight the urge, but listen to the others here.

08/09/2016, 11:51 AM	#14
Ou8me2 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 743	I wouldn't risk it myself. There are plenty of places to get healthy fish and I don't think I would buy anything from that store livestock wise. She want's to sell it and not deal with it and make money with no guarantee it will live or make it. She needs to treat it and then you can buy it if you feel the need.

08/09/2016, 12:21 PM	#17
sde1500 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glocester, RI Posts: 3,336	Oh yea, blue tangs aren't hard to get at all. I wouldn't bother. __________________ My build thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2548422 Current Tank Info: 65 gallon mixed reef, Eshopps sump and HOB overflow, RO-110int skimmer, Reefbreeder 32" photons V1.

08/09/2016, 12:45 PM	#19
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	We had an amusing thread going re 'Dory' in which it became apparent that kids (and many adults) have a real good imagination and would happily settle for any yellow and blue fish named Dory. The little yellowtail damsel stays a very appropriate size for Nemo, and they can partner forever. Real Dory gets a foot long, fat, and cranky. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/09/2016, 01:31 PM	#23
hkgar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dewitt MI Posts: 5,051	I admit I haven't read every post and this may have been said. To the OP (and others) I believe that all new fish should go through TTM (with 2PraziPro treatments) then into QT for an additional 4 weeks. ALL fish __________________ Gary 180 gallon, 40 gallon sump, 3 250 W MH + 4 80W ATI T5's, MTC MVX 36 Skimmer, Apex controller Aquamaxx T-3 CaRx Current Tank Info: A 2 Barred Rabbitfish, Red Head Salon, Yellow/Purple, McMaster Fairy, Possum, 2 Leopard Wrasses, Kole, & Atlantic Blue Tangs, 2 Percula Clown, 3 PJ and 1 Banggai Cardinalfish , Swallowtail, Bellus and Coral Beauty Angels

08/09/2016, 02:00 PM	#25
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	two tanks, 2 5g buckets, whatever will work thats big enough. __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer