90 gallon marineland with bad seal??

_ld99 · 01/15/2017, 08:35 PM

So I bought a 90 gallon reef ready marineland from a guy on craigslist. I filled it up with water and noticed in the silicone between the side panel of glass and front panel, there are a bunch of tiny white bubbles. They only appeared when I filled the tank. I had it full for about 3 hours with no leaks then emptied it because I didn't want to risk it. What do you guys think? I have a new one on order at a lfs. Should I cancel the order and stick with this tank. I would rather not spend the $400 on a new one but it's also pretty stressful to imagine 90 gallons of water destroying 3 levels of floor. Thanks guys
https://plus.google.com/107785918218...ts/5rfbhpRcrLz

ReefCowboy · 01/15/2017, 08:41 PM

$400 isnt as bad as 90 gals of saltwater going down the living room. Think about it, would you enjoy a tank that would constantly remind you it could be bursting at any minute?
That is the worst thing that can happen. Get the new one and sell the one with the seam bubbles.
If possible warn the new buyer of the seams...
I would not fill that tank up again IMO

ericarenee · 01/15/2017, 08:42 PM

Posted to you on the link.

I really cant say for sure one way or the other as far as trusting it. but well i have a similar tank ..

davocean · 01/15/2017, 08:53 PM

I can't say much for the bubbles but boy has marineland had a lot of posts lately w/ unhappy people, even though you bought it used I'd contact them and maybe send pics just to see what they say, and also give them the feedback they may need to resolve some of their recent issues.

_ld99 · 01/15/2017, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReefCowboy

$400 isnt as bad as 90 gals of saltwater going down the living room. Think about it, would you enjoy a tank that would constantly remind you it could be bursting at any minute?
That is the worst thing that can happen. Get the new one and sell the one with the seam bubbles.
If possible warn the new buyer of the seams...
I would not fill that tank up again IMO

I was thinking the same thing. I would never be able to enjoy the tank because I'd always be stressed out thinking about it haha. I just feel like if I order a new one it may have the same problem (lfs only gets marineland)

_ld99 · 01/15/2017, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by davocean

I can't say much for the bubbles but boy has marineland had a lot of posts lately w/ unhappy people, even though you bought it used I'd contact them and maybe send pics just to see what they say, and also give them the feedback they may need to resolve some of their recent issues.

I was thinking about trying that. I'll try giving them a call tomorow and see if they'll warranty it even without proof of purchase. If they won't replace it, would you suggest I cancel the order on the new tank? It is a marineland also. I'm worried the new one may have the same problem.

davocean · 01/15/2017, 09:18 PM

They won't warranty any tank that is not on one of their stands just FYI, and I doubt they will do anything like replace a tank bought used, but at least you'll get a straight answer as to whether it's an issue or not.
You are not trapped into your LFS, many builders ship, I can't say enough good about SCA, what I have, and they will ship to you.

Centurio · 01/15/2017, 11:33 PM

I was actually researching the 93 gallon Marineland cube today because I love the dimensions. I also saw one for sale on CL and invested some time in researching the tank and people that had purchased them. Many people complained of bubbles in the silicon when they received the tank and there were more than a few reports of them failing. I decided against that tank.

_ld99 · 01/16/2017, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurio

I was actually researching the 93 gallon Marineland cube today because I love the dimensions. I also saw one for sale on CL and invested some time in researching the tank and people that had purchased them. Many people complained of bubbles in the silicon when they received the tank and there were more than a few reports of them failing. I decided against that tank.

It seems like the DD tanks are known for giving out on the bottom seal. Anyway, I just called marineland and they are covering the tank!

kendrid · 01/16/2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurio

I was actually researching the 93 gallon Marineland cube today because I love the dimensions. I also saw one for sale on CL and invested some time in researching the tank and people that had purchased them. Many people complained of bubbles in the silicon when they received the tank and there were more than a few reports of them failing. I decided against that tank.

Do you have links to the failing 93 gallon tanks? I researched that tank a lot and I never found one that failed except for some guy that drilled it, incorrectly installed a bulkhead and cracked it.

There are/were bubble issues with the 93. I purchased one new with stand and it had bubbles like the OP's photo at the top edges of two seams. They went away after a few months. On "another" forum is there a discussion about this issue and for most people the bubbles go away after the silicon cures. In the OP's case the tank is old so not sure what to think.

I emailed Marineland when I got my tank and they said it was normal.

If you search for 'bubbles in tank seams' even the custom tank manufacturers have issues with it. They also say it is normal.

kendrid · 01/16/2017, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ld99

It seems like the DD tanks are known for giving out on the bottom seal. Anyway, I just called marineland and they are covering the tank!

That is awesome, especially if it wasn't on their stand and the fact you aren't the original owner.

Dealseer · 01/16/2017, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ld99

It seems like the DD tanks are known for giving out on the bottom seal. Anyway, I just called marineland and they are covering the tank!

What is a DD tank?

kendrid · 01/16/2017, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dealseer

What is a DD tank?

Deep Dimensions. It is a type of Marineland tank.

_ld99 · 01/23/2017, 09:20 PM

Well I just got my replacement and it did the same exact thing........

Ou8me2 · 01/23/2017, 10:45 PM

On the original tank, you have a picture of the silicone is peeling outside inward and should not look all chewed up. That's never a good sign and air bubbles in the structural seams are bad news. The tank may work for a while but I would never trust it without doing a full re-seal of the tank.

Apparently, they have some QA issues if the new replacement did the same thing.

_ld99 · 01/30/2017, 07:28 PM

I called my lfs because of the fact that the replacement did the same thing. Marineland sent yet another tank. I went tonight to pick it up and it had a few scratches on the front glass so I stuck with the other tank. Im just nervous since the air bubbles in the silicone go all the way from the top to bottom. I am just going to use it. It's a brand new tank so it SHOULD hold. This was the 3Rd tank and they all did the same thing and it's too much of a hassle carrying a 90 gallon tank back and forth from home to the store.

inthedeep2 · 01/30/2017, 08:06 PM

honestly id ask for your money back if its not up to your standards then don't just settle. you will regret it eventually.

cpllongjk · 01/31/2017, 04:01 AM

Yeah LD99 I would not use that tank. It might not be right away but eventually that seal will break and you will have a mess and a lot of dead stuff on your hands.

Imagine the cost of replacing whatever the water damages as well as the loss of the fish and corals. I'm pretty sure that would kill the hobby for you in one shot if the tank blew out, I know it would kill it for me if I were a newer owner.

Just my 0.02 cents,

Jared

_ld99 · 02/01/2017, 07:57 AM

Thanks for the advice guys, but I went ahead and set it up. The bubbles in the silicone haven't moved at all(knock on wood), so I think I am fine. Not saying they won't expand over time but I'm just hoping. Anyway here's some pictures.
https://plus.google.com/107785918218...ts/93aNjyvSAvx

_ld99 · 02/01/2017, 09:13 AM

I am about to start the cycle, should I toss a shrimp into the dt or should I put it in the filter sock going to my sump?

_ld99 · 04/05/2017, 02:06 PM

I figured i'd give an update for anyone else that comes across this problem. The tanks been full for about 2 and a half months and now the bubbles are practically gone. A few weeks after I set the DT up i went out and bought a 20 gallon Marineland for qt....same bubbles. They went away over time too. I'm not sure what caused this, but it seems like it is a really common thing in Marinelands. In my case it wasn't anything to worry about, although i'm not saying that's the case for everyone.
Here's some shots of the tank.
https://plus.google.com/photos/10778...PqXzuCosKu91AE

shred5 · 04/05/2017, 02:28 PM

Yea This bubble thing is common in Marineland aquariums. . I threw out my brand new 93 last year because of them. I had drilled the tank first so warranty would not cover it. I would not trust a tank with bubbles in the seams. I have seen way to many tanks in my life fail.

Pond Boy · 04/05/2017, 05:27 PM

I have resealed many tanks over the years they do hold water and are easy to do. But if I bought a new tank I would expect a pro seal job that's sad they are putting out a product that has QC issues..

_ld99 · 04/06/2017, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pond Boy

I have resealed many tanks over the years they do hold water and are easy to do. But if I bought a new tank I would expect a pro seal job that's sad they are putting out a product that has QC issues..

Yea that's how I felt. When I spend $400 on a glass box I expect the seals to be clean. But like I said, they have dissipated overtime so it wasn't anything to worry about in my case........ but there is always the possibility of the tank giving out.

outssider · 04/07/2017, 06:09 PM

Just because the bubble isn't visible anymore doesn't mean that the tank has magically resealed itself......?????.....am I right ??...I don't believe in magic !!!

01/15/2017, 08:35 PM	#1
_ld99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 84	90 gallon marineland with bad seal?? So I bought a 90 gallon reef ready marineland from a guy on craigslist. I filled it up with water and noticed in the silicone between the side panel of glass and front panel, there are a bunch of tiny white bubbles. They only appeared when I filled the tank. I had it full for about 3 hours with no leaks then emptied it because I didn't want to risk it. What do you guys think? I have a new one on order at a lfs. Should I cancel the order and stick with this tank. I would rather not spend the $400 on a new one but it's also pretty stressful to imagine 90 gallons of water destroying 3 levels of floor. Thanks guys https://plus.google.com/107785918218...ts/5rfbhpRcrLz

01/15/2017, 08:41 PM	#2
ReefCowboy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,742	$400 isnt as bad as 90 gals of saltwater going down the living room. Think about it, would you enjoy a tank that would constantly remind you it could be bursting at any minute? That is the worst thing that can happen. Get the new one and sell the one with the seam bubbles. If possible warn the new buyer of the seams... I would not fill that tank up again IMO __________________ Rimless 150 Gal Sps System: Giesemann Spectra/New Apex/2x MP40qd's+ 2x Gyre XF250's/Cor20/Custom Stand, Sump and Algae Scrubber/2x DOS dosing/Skimz Octa 205i Skimmer

01/15/2017, 08:42 PM	#3
ericarenee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Louisville Kentucky Posts: 3,110	Posted to you on the link. I really cant say for sure one way or the other as far as trusting it. but well i have a similar tank .. __________________ 240+G Mixed BB Reef tank.. 350 G Marine Pond. And the expensive stuff that runs it. Chic's are for Chic's You silly men Go Fishing or something... Current Tank Info: 240= gal Reef /550 Gallon Saltwater pond 72 G Bay front Tropical aquarium

01/15/2017, 08:53 PM	#4
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	I can't say much for the bubbles but boy has marineland had a lot of posts lately w/ unhappy people, even though you bought it used I'd contact them and maybe send pics just to see what they say, and also give them the feedback they may need to resolve some of their recent issues. __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

01/15/2017, 09:18 PM	#7
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	They won't warranty any tank that is not on one of their stands just FYI, and I doubt they will do anything like replace a tank bought used, but at least you'll get a straight answer as to whether it's an issue or not. You are not trapped into your LFS, many builders ship, I can't say enough good about SCA, what I have, and they will ship to you. __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

01/15/2017, 11:33 PM	#8
Centurio Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 398	I was actually researching the 93 gallon Marineland cube today because I love the dimensions. I also saw one for sale on CL and invested some time in researching the tank and people that had purchased them. Many people complained of bubbles in the silicon when they received the tank and there were more than a few reports of them failing. I decided against that tank.

01/23/2017, 09:20 PM	#14
_ld99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 84	Well I just got my replacement and it did the same exact thing........

01/23/2017, 10:45 PM	#15
Ou8me2 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 743	On the original tank, you have a picture of the silicone is peeling outside inward and should not look all chewed up. That's never a good sign and air bubbles in the structural seams are bad news. The tank may work for a while but I would never trust it without doing a full re-seal of the tank. Apparently, they have some QA issues if the new replacement did the same thing.

01/30/2017, 07:28 PM	#16
_ld99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 84	I called my lfs because of the fact that the replacement did the same thing. Marineland sent yet another tank. I went tonight to pick it up and it had a few scratches on the front glass so I stuck with the other tank. Im just nervous since the air bubbles in the silicone go all the way from the top to bottom. I am just going to use it. It's a brand new tank so it SHOULD hold. This was the 3Rd tank and they all did the same thing and it's too much of a hassle carrying a 90 gallon tank back and forth from home to the store.

01/30/2017, 08:06 PM	#17
inthedeep2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SAN DIEGO Posts: 378	honestly id ask for your money back if its not up to your standards then don't just settle. you will regret it eventually.

01/31/2017, 04:01 AM	#18
cpllongjk Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 1,066	Yeah LD99 I would not use that tank. It might not be right away but eventually that seal will break and you will have a mess and a lot of dead stuff on your hands. Imagine the cost of replacing whatever the water damages as well as the loss of the fish and corals. I'm pretty sure that would kill the hobby for you in one shot if the tank blew out, I know it would kill it for me if I were a newer owner. Just my 0.02 cents, Jared

02/01/2017, 07:57 AM	#19
_ld99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 84	Thanks for the advice guys, but I went ahead and set it up. The bubbles in the silicone haven't moved at all(knock on wood), so I think I am fine. Not saying they won't expand over time but I'm just hoping. Anyway here's some pictures. https://plus.google.com/107785918218...ts/93aNjyvSAvx

02/01/2017, 09:13 AM	#20
_ld99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 84	I am about to start the cycle, should I toss a shrimp into the dt or should I put it in the filter sock going to my sump?

04/05/2017, 02:06 PM	#21
_ld99 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 84	I figured i'd give an update for anyone else that comes across this problem. The tanks been full for about 2 and a half months and now the bubbles are practically gone. A few weeks after I set the DT up i went out and bought a 20 gallon Marineland for qt....same bubbles. They went away over time too. I'm not sure what caused this, but it seems like it is a really common thing in Marinelands. In my case it wasn't anything to worry about, although i'm not saying that's the case for everyone. Here's some shots of the tank. https://plus.google.com/photos/10778...PqXzuCosKu91AE

04/05/2017, 02:28 PM	#22
shred5 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Waukesha , WI Posts: 4,998	Yea This bubble thing is common in Marineland aquariums. . I threw out my brand new 93 last year because of them. I had drilled the tank first so warranty would not cover it. I would not trust a tank with bubbles in the seams. I have seen way to many tanks in my life fail. __________________ David Polzin

04/05/2017, 05:27 PM	#23
Pond Boy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: In a tube amp Posts: 141	I have resealed many tanks over the years they do hold water and are easy to do. But if I bought a new tank I would expect a pro seal job that's sad they are putting out a product that has QC issues.. __________________ Bringing back a 12g JBJ from some serious neglect... Current Tank Info: JBJ 12g

04/07/2017, 06:09 PM	#25
outssider Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Reseda, Ca. Posts: 1,717	Just because the bubble isn't visible anymore doesn't mean that the tank has magically resealed itself......?????.....am I right ??...I don't believe in magic !!!