Herbie/Bean with dual overflow tank?

rtparty · 03/16/2017, 11:55 AM

I am helping a friend of mine setup a new 180g tank. It will have dual corner overflows. He wants the tank to be quiet so I suggested a Herbie or BeanAnimal setup if we can make it work.

I am assuming the tank has 2 holes in each overflow. Not sure on sizes on just yet but should know them soon. So how have you plumbed a siphon style drain with two overflows? Is it even possible?

Thanks!

tkeracer619 · 03/16/2017, 12:21 PM

I don't have any experience with a bean but in a herbie since each full siphon has a valve for adjustment you adjust how much each full siphon drains. The second drain in the setup would be for the emergency and you'll adjust each overflow such that they both barely keep the emergency wet.

ddanis60 · 03/16/2017, 01:49 PM

Same as a single overflow herbie I would think. As tke said above, the main full siphon will have a valve to adjust the siphon flow and use that and the return pump to adjust the water level in your overflow box to just a trickle into the emergency. Just do this twice. Might take a few extra minutes getting the valves set correctly on the main siphon. Should work just fine and be completely silent. I have my main drain 6" below my emergency, and my emergency 1/2" below the overflow teeth to keep things quiet. I have a single overflow tho

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rtparty · 03/16/2017, 05:03 PM

I found some good info. The easiest way is to see if one pipe can handle the flow. If so, keep one overflow box dry by raising the height of the weir slightly. In the dry overflow you have an emergency and the return. In the wet overflow you have the main siphon and a return or another emergency.

Since we'll be pushing 1000gph at most, a 1" full siphon should handle it no problem.

elFloyd · 03/16/2017, 05:10 PM

Set mine up with two siphons and two emergency drains. Ran two returns over the back.

ca1ore · 03/16/2017, 07:19 PM

I'm running a dual overflow marineland 265. I've played around with just about all combinations and permutations. Overflows aren't big enough to be able to keep one dry. What's worked best for me is dual, independent herbies in each overflow. Necessitated an over the back rim, which is a aesthetic foul, but such is life.

tjnorthdakota · 03/17/2017, 09:10 PM

Not sure if allowed to post link from competing forum but here is my build of a 120. I have also plumbed this way on a 180, tested it at around 3000gpm through the one 1" drain with no problem. If worried about no flow in the one box just throw a maxi jet in it with a loc line return hooked to it to create circulation with the rest of your tank. http://www.*********.com/threads/120.../#post-2949183

tjnorthdakota · 03/17/2017, 09:15 PM

Sorry I tried, I would post pictures here but they show up upsidedown when I upload them for some reason

TUNDRA_85 · 03/22/2017, 07:39 AM

ca1ore do you have any pictures of your setup? I am setting the same exact tank now. The sump is going to be on the other side of the wall for ease of maintenance and expantion.

fishgate · 03/22/2017, 07:49 AM

This explains it all.

TUNDRA_85 · 03/22/2017, 08:14 AM

Very nice video. Thank you fishgate.

03/16/2017, 11:55 AM	#1
rtparty Raise The Reef! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 7,404	Herbie/Bean with dual overflow tank? I am helping a friend of mine setup a new 180g tank. It will have dual corner overflows. He wants the tank to be quiet so I suggested a Herbie or BeanAnimal setup if we can make it work. I am assuming the tank has 2 holes in each overflow. Not sure on sizes on just yet but should know them soon. So how have you plumbed a siphon style drain with two overflows? Is it even possible? Thanks! __________________ Ryan Click on my user name and check out my homepage! Current Tank Info: 50g Cadlights/Giesemann Spectra (250w Radium, 2 ATI Blue Plus, 2 ATI Actinic)/2 x Vortech MP10wQD/Skimz SN123/Eheim Compact 3000+

03/16/2017, 12:21 PM	#2
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	I don't have any experience with a bean but in a herbie since each full siphon has a valve for adjustment you adjust how much each full siphon drains. The second drain in the setup would be for the emergency and you'll adjust each overflow such that they both barely keep the emergency wet. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

03/16/2017, 05:03 PM	#4
rtparty Raise The Reef! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 7,404	I found some good info. The easiest way is to see if one pipe can handle the flow. If so, keep one overflow box dry by raising the height of the weir slightly. In the dry overflow you have an emergency and the return. In the wet overflow you have the main siphon and a return or another emergency. Since we'll be pushing 1000gph at most, a 1" full siphon should handle it no problem. __________________ Ryan Click on my user name and check out my homepage! Current Tank Info: 50g Cadlights/Giesemann Spectra (250w Radium, 2 ATI Blue Plus, 2 ATI Actinic)/2 x Vortech MP10wQD/Skimz SN123/Eheim Compact 3000+

03/16/2017, 07:19 PM	#6
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	I'm running a dual overflow marineland 265. I've played around with just about all combinations and permutations. Overflows aren't big enough to be able to keep one dry. What's worked best for me is dual, independent herbies in each overflow. Necessitated an over the back rim, which is a aesthetic foul, but such is life. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

03/22/2017, 07:49 AM	#10
fishgate Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Damascus, MD Posts: 3,340	This explains it all. __________________ 125RR in-wall, 40B Sump, CS180 BM Skimmer, ATI 4x80 watt, eheim 1262, custom wrap around rock wall, ReefKeeper Elite 120g in-wall, 40B Sump, PC 54wx4, Jabao DC-6000 (full siphon), future seahorse t Current Tank Info: 125g, 120g, 2x40b sumps, ATI 4x80 T5HO

03/16/2017, 01:49 PM	#3
ddanis60 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minot, North Dakota Posts: 105	Same as a single overflow herbie I would think. As tke said above, the main full siphon will have a valve to adjust the siphon flow and use that and the return pump to adjust the water level in your overflow box to just a trickle into the emergency. Just do this twice. Might take a few extra minutes getting the valves set correctly on the main siphon. Should work just fine and be completely silent. I have my main drain 6" below my emergency, and my emergency 1/2" below the overflow teeth to keep things quiet. I have a single overflow tho Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03/16/2017, 05:10 PM	#5
elFloyd Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 421	Set mine up with two siphons and two emergency drains. Ran two returns over the back.

03/17/2017, 09:10 PM	#7
tjnorthdakota Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 51	Not sure if allowed to post link from competing forum but here is my build of a 120. I have also plumbed this way on a 180, tested it at around 3000gpm through the one 1" drain with no problem. If worried about no flow in the one box just throw a maxi jet in it with a loc line return hooked to it to create circulation with the rest of your tank. http://www.*********.com/threads/120.../#post-2949183

03/17/2017, 09:15 PM	#8
tjnorthdakota Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 51	Sorry I tried, I would post pictures here but they show up upsidedown when I upload them for some reason

03/22/2017, 07:39 AM	#9
TUNDRA_85 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: CENTRAL FLORIDA Posts: 15	ca1ore do you have any pictures of your setup? I am setting the same exact tank now. The sump is going to be on the other side of the wall for ease of maintenance and expantion.

03/22/2017, 08:14 AM	#11
TUNDRA_85 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: CENTRAL FLORIDA Posts: 15	Very nice video. Thank you fishgate. __________________ Under construction 265G reef ready Marineland with remote sump room. Temporary 40 breeder and 20 long frag tank. Had 92 corner with 20g sump & 10g refugium.