Hydrogen Peroxide!

monkeysee1 · 05/06/2017, 07:45 PM

Has anyone used it? If so what was your experience? What were the benefits? What were the negative effects? Is it dangerous to the tank inhabitants? And how much did you dose?

Syntax1325 · 05/06/2017, 07:46 PM

There's several very large threads on this.... do a search for hours of reading.

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saltnewb · 05/06/2017, 08:17 PM

yes , i fell one time and scraped my knee. it bubbled and cleaned out the dirt

Deahttub · 05/06/2017, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeysee1

Has anyone used it? If so what was your experience? What were the benefits? What were the negative effects? Is it dangerous to the tank inhabitants? And how much did you dose?

Careful. Too much can bleach sps...

chefbill · 05/06/2017, 10:25 PM

I used it for cyano

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monkeysee1 · 05/07/2017, 07:28 AM

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I used it for cyano

Did it work for you? If so how much did you did you dose and for how long?
I'm at my wit's end with this cyano sh*t.
I tried the blackout thing a few moons ago now, and it went away and the tank was fine for a good while but now it's back!

nereefpat · 05/07/2017, 08:51 AM

Have you tried chemi-clean? People on here swear by that stuff.

I am trying H2O2 as part of my assault on dinos. I am getting ahead of them, but I can't for sure say that it has anything to do with peroxide. I have also implemented blackouts, added flow, syphoned out some sand, added chaeto to the sump...

Sk8r · 05/07/2017, 10:29 AM

Easiest treatment for cyano, and the safest, unplug your tank lights for 3 days, turn them on blues-only for the next day; and meanwhile pay attention to your skimmer, which uptakes the dieoff. Do this once monthly until you've gotten the crud out. Chemiclean is safer than hp, but can crash a tank due to more dieoff than skimmer can handle.

slickmin · 05/07/2017, 01:11 PM

Chemi clean work great for me over night all cyno was gone. The only problem i had was i couldnt turn on my skimmer until i did a large water change. By large im talkin almost 100 % over a weeks time.

disc1 · 05/07/2017, 01:43 PM

Just keep in mind that between bleach and peroxide, peroxide is the stronger oxidizer. So you shouldn't add more peroxide to your tank than you would be willing to add bleach.

Sk8r · 05/07/2017, 03:36 PM

And this being the novice forum, I really, really, really caution against the use of peroxide in your tank. There are safer ways.

ReeferNoob4ever · 05/07/2017, 06:58 PM

I used Red Slime Remover and didn't even have a skimmer. I did have mechanical filtration though and churned it right away. It cleared my tank permanately. My issue was under cleaning my equipment (pumps, filters, etc).

monkeysee1 · 05/07/2017, 07:15 PM

Thanks everyone!
Then I definitely WON'T be using any HP. Sounds like potential dynamite in a tank!
I'll be getting some Chemi-Clean/Red Slime Remover to add to my arsenal.

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Easiest treatment for cyano, and the safest, unplug your tank lights for 3 days, turn them on blues-only for the next day; and meanwhile pay attention to your skimmer, which uptakes the dieoff. Do this once monthly until you've gotten the crud out. Chemiclean is safer than hp, but can crash a tank due to more dieoff than skimmer can handle.

By that, sk8r, do you mean a three day period of complete darkness in the tank once a month while yanking the skimmer out of my sump and cleaning it COMPLETELY every month, in addition to the cup I clean practically every day??

Stolireef · 05/07/2017, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeysee1

Thanks everyone!
Then I definitely WON'T be using any HP. Sounds like potential dynamite in a tank!
I'll be getting some Chemi-Clean/Red Slime Remover to add to my arsenal.

By that, sk8r, do you mean a three day period of complete darkness in the tank once a month while yanking the skimmer out of my sump and cleaning it COMPLETELY every month, in addition to the cup I clean practically every day??

No. She meant that you need to clean the skimmer cup since the die off of the Cyano will likely cause it to fill quickly. If you are cleaning the skimmer cup daily, you're either over feeding or you are running the skimmer a bit too wet.

Sk8r · 05/07/2017, 09:18 PM

Skimmate should be real dark. Saves effort to run it that way. But go on ambient room light only: just don't run the tank lights.
Cyano needs only 3 things to live: light, water, and carbon source. In our tanks, the easiest thing to deny it is light. 3 day lights-out, it dies, your skimmer uptakes it, you toss it, and eventually, doing this once a month, you get rid of it. Everybody gets a little of it, particularly in spring, when that sunbeam that never hit the tank in winter, begins to touch it. Cyano loves weird-spectrum or slanted light---it saved Earth's bacon during the Permian Extinction; but you can pretty easily get rid of it by making it periodically unwelcome.
The reason you don't totally black out your tank is pretty gruesome: if all light goes, snails may eat your sleeping fish alive. With just a little light, the fish stay aware enough to move.

chefbill · 05/08/2017, 07:52 AM

I used 1 ml per 10 gal, daily. I actually targeted it at any green hair algae I had, hoping to kill two birds with one stone. It got rid of the cyano but did not do much to the green hair algae but may have helped ne eventually win that battle. I saw no ill effects.

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scooter31707 · 05/08/2017, 08:51 AM

I have used chemiclean and API Marine Algaefix with great success against cyano.

Sk8r · 05/08/2017, 09:49 AM

A note: when you've been battling hair algae, your best defense is granulated iron oxide, or GFO, run in a fairly inexpensive reactor. A lot of water comes in with phosphate, which hair loves and corals hate. You have to change that medium out monthly (it saturates and doesn't tell you) until you see relief. SItting there for half a year running dead-saturated GFO and then saying 'it doesn't work' is unfortunately pretty common---but there is just no info on the product box to say 'this stuff can saturate fast and then sit there helpless.' The good news is, when you throw it out, that collected phosphate goes with it and new algae can't get it. Put in new GFO, you take out more phosphate. No phosphate---no hair algae. You'll leave just a trace in on purpose: it has its uses. But very small trace.

Hydrogen Peroxide has 2 uses and one of them is that it WILL kill almost anything that attaches to a rock, if you dip that side of the rock in a bowl of HP for 30 seconds. But you need to rinse it off before you put it back in the tank: bubbles of pure oxygen can kill. We're not saying 'air', which is 90% nitrogen gas or thereabouts: we're saying 'oxygen' ---which is a potent oxidizer and harmful to corals it may hit on its way to the surface. This is why we worry when people start to use it on advice vaguely gotten from the internet----it's a bit risky, and an overdose can really do harm.

monkeysee1 · 05/08/2017, 06:46 PM

Thanks so much for all the input guys!
Thanks chefbill, scooter and Sk8tr!
Now I can implement a plan of progressive attack on this nemesis, with HP as the last resort.
I'll keep you guys posted on what happens soon!

05/06/2017, 07:45 PM	#1
monkeysee1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: MERRIMACK NH Posts: 423	Hydrogen Peroxide! Has anyone used it? If so what was your experience? What were the benefits? What were the negative effects? Is it dangerous to the tank inhabitants? And how much did you dose? __________________ Your "fair share" is not in my wallet; it's in my fish tank!! Current tank info: 90 Gallon saltwater 10 fish with a few inverts; NO CORALS! Tried to go reef; didn't work out so hot; FOWLR's for me!

05/06/2017, 07:46 PM	#2
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05/07/2017, 08:51 AM	#7
nereefpat Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 3,190	Have you tried chemi-clean? People on here swear by that stuff. I am trying H2O2 as part of my assault on dinos. I am getting ahead of them, but I can't for sure say that it has anything to do with peroxide. I have also implemented blackouts, added flow, syphoned out some sand, added chaeto to the sump... __________________ Pat Current Tank Info: 125 in-wall , 40b sump. 6 bulb T5. ASM G2 skimmer. LPS and leathers

05/07/2017, 10:29 AM	#8
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Easiest treatment for cyano, and the safest, unplug your tank lights for 3 days, turn them on blues-only for the next day; and meanwhile pay attention to your skimmer, which uptakes the dieoff. Do this once monthly until you've gotten the crud out. Chemiclean is safer than hp, but can crash a tank due to more dieoff than skimmer can handle. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

05/07/2017, 01:11 PM	#9
slickmin Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Atlantic Highlands nj Posts: 155	Chemi clean work great for me over night all cyno was gone. The only problem i had was i couldnt turn on my skimmer until i did a large water change. By large im talkin almost 100 % over a weeks time. __________________ okay thats cool Current Tank Info: 100 gallon custom glasscage 48 24 20 trigger systems 36 ruby vertex 150 skimmer ai vega lights

05/06/2017, 08:17 PM	#3
saltnewb Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 51	yes , i fell one time and scraped my knee. it bubbled and cleaned out the dirt

05/06/2017, 10:25 PM	#5
chefbill Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 530	I used it for cyano Sent from my LGL52VL using Tapatalk

05/07/2017, 01:43 PM	#10
disc1 -RT * ln(k) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock Posts: 9,705	Just keep in mind that between bleach and peroxide, peroxide is the stronger oxidizer. So you shouldn't add more peroxide to your tank than you would be willing to add bleach. __________________ David Current Tank: Undergoing reconstruction...

05/07/2017, 03:36 PM	#11
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	And this being the novice forum, I really, really, really caution against the use of peroxide in your tank. There are safer ways. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

05/07/2017, 06:58 PM	#12
ReeferNoob4ever Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: NM Posts: 523	I used Red Slime Remover and didn't even have a skimmer. I did have mechanical filtration though and churned it right away. It cleared my tank permanately. My issue was under cleaning my equipment (pumps, filters, etc). __________________ Get a life! Current Tank Info: 20gL mixed reef, 10g mixed reef w/nem & clown, 5g NPS & harlequin

05/07/2017, 09:18 PM	#15
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Skimmate should be real dark. Saves effort to run it that way. But go on ambient room light only: just don't run the tank lights. Cyano needs only 3 things to live: light, water, and carbon source. In our tanks, the easiest thing to deny it is light. 3 day lights-out, it dies, your skimmer uptakes it, you toss it, and eventually, doing this once a month, you get rid of it. Everybody gets a little of it, particularly in spring, when that sunbeam that never hit the tank in winter, begins to touch it. Cyano loves weird-spectrum or slanted light---it saved Earth's bacon during the Permian Extinction; but you can pretty easily get rid of it by making it periodically unwelcome. The reason you don't totally black out your tank is pretty gruesome: if all light goes, snails may eat your sleeping fish alive. With just a little light, the fish stay aware enough to move. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

05/08/2017, 07:52 AM	#16
chefbill Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 530	I used 1 ml per 10 gal, daily. I actually targeted it at any green hair algae I had, hoping to kill two birds with one stone. It got rid of the cyano but did not do much to the green hair algae but may have helped ne eventually win that battle. I saw no ill effects. Sent from my LGL52VL using Tapatalk

05/08/2017, 08:51 AM	#17
scooter31707 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,971	I have used chemiclean and API Marine Algaefix with great success against cyano.

05/08/2017, 09:49 AM	#18
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	A note: when you've been battling hair algae, your best defense is granulated iron oxide, or GFO, run in a fairly inexpensive reactor. A lot of water comes in with phosphate, which hair loves and corals hate. You have to change that medium out monthly (it saturates and doesn't tell you) until you see relief. SItting there for half a year running dead-saturated GFO and then saying 'it doesn't work' is unfortunately pretty common---but there is just no info on the product box to say 'this stuff can saturate fast and then sit there helpless.' The good news is, when you throw it out, that collected phosphate goes with it and new algae can't get it. Put in new GFO, you take out more phosphate. No phosphate---no hair algae. You'll leave just a trace in on purpose: it has its uses. But very small trace. Hydrogen Peroxide has 2 uses and one of them is that it WILL kill almost anything that attaches to a rock, if you dip that side of the rock in a bowl of HP for 30 seconds. But you need to rinse it off before you put it back in the tank: bubbles of pure oxygen can kill. We're not saying 'air', which is 90% nitrogen gas or thereabouts: we're saying 'oxygen' ---which is a potent oxidizer and harmful to corals it may hit on its way to the surface. This is why we worry when people start to use it on advice vaguely gotten from the internet----it's a bit risky, and an overdose can really do harm. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

05/08/2017, 06:46 PM	#19
monkeysee1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: MERRIMACK NH Posts: 423	Thanks so much for all the input guys! Thanks chefbill, scooter and Sk8tr! Now I can implement a plan of progressive attack on this nemesis, with HP as the last resort. I'll keep you guys posted on what happens soon! __________________ Your "fair share" is not in my wallet; it's in my fish tank!! Current tank info: 90 Gallon saltwater 10 fish with a few inverts; NO CORALS! Tried to go reef; didn't work out so hot; FOWLR's for me! Last edited by monkeysee1; 05/08/2017 at 06:56 PM.