bacteira using during diatom ?

Massive.Reefer · 02/26/2018, 11:59 AM

Hi

Im new on the forum.
I re-start my tank. ı used vinegar and carbonate for rocks and sand.After started system, added live fiji rock about 1 kg.
first day i used biodigest and bioptim.

Thats 20. day of the tank and 8. day of diatom. That is spreading fast i think.
So should i use bioptim and biodigest? 14 day passed already. But bioptim can cause cyano or more diatoms. Im not sure about that.

tank is 20 gallon.
Water parameters;
amonia/nitrite=0
phosphate: 0,01
nitrate:3
saltinity:1026
kh:9.7

i need your supports;

thank you

mcgyvr · 02/26/2018, 01:04 PM

I would suggest you don't add anything and just wait for the diatoms to pass..
There really shouldn't be any need to add more bacterial product to the water but it also really shouldn't hurt much if you do..

New tanks almost always go through what we commonly call the "ugly stages" which are diatoms then green hair/film algae and then even cyanobacteria and usually in that order..

They will all pass with time as the tank matures some..
Those ugly stages are TOTALLY NORMAL and will go away in time..
That is usually just a few weeks..

Massive.Reefer · 02/27/2018, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgyvr

I would suggest you don't add anything and just wait for the diatoms to pass..
There really shouldn't be any need to add more bacterial product to the water but it also really shouldn't hurt much if you do..

New tanks almost always go through what we commonly call the "ugly stages" which are diatoms then green hair/film algae and then even cyanobacteria and usually in that order..

They will all pass with time as the tank matures some..
Those ugly stages are TOTALLY NORMAL and will go away in time..
That is usually just a few weeks..

First, thank you very much for your answer.
First starting the tank , i used everything dead so my brain says me that ; add more Bacteria for faster processes. But i wont add anything.
And i want to ask a few basic but important question.
1-there is nothing like cleanup crew or fishes etc..
when should i add conches ? (I think i can add 4 conches after 3-4 days. )
2- when should i do water changes. ? After diatom and all types of algae passed?
Or doing water changes can helps to get out diatom ?
3- for cycle i must add a fish ilke percula or chromis. But when can i put my first fish to tank. ?
4- and what can i do anything different for nice and tide cycle process.

Tank you

mcgyvr · 02/27/2018, 06:55 AM

You used live rock right so the cycle is likely over and happened already..
If ammonia/nitrite are zero at day 20+ then you can start slowly stocking the tank with clean up crew now to take care of the diatoms,etc.. and even start adding your fish whenever you want..

You can also start doing water changes now too.. Like 20% every 2 weeks is a good starting point..

Massive.Reefer · 02/27/2018, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgyvr

You used live rock right so the cycle is likely over and happened already..
If ammonia/nitrite are zero at day 20+ then you can start slowly stocking the tank with clean up crew now to take care of the diatoms,etc.. and even start adding your fish whenever you want..

You can also start doing water changes now too.. Like 20% every 2 weeks is a good starting point..

Thank you again. And there is important thing which i forgot to ask.
My pH value is not so good i think.
Last 10-12 days, i always open my window about 2-3 hours each day.
But my pH valule is about 7.8 when lights opening and near to closing.
When lights fully on maybe that can be 8.0-8.1 but not at all time. Sometimes during max time pH is about 7.8. Is that important parameter or should i forgot about pH value ? Im testing with salifert.

mcgyvr · 02/27/2018, 10:58 AM

Your PH value is totally fine..
In general a range of like 7.8-8.5 is totally acceptable..

and I would suggest you just forget about PH..

Massive.Reefer · 03/02/2018, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgyvr

Your PH value is totally fine..
In general a range of like 7.8-8.5 is totally acceptable..

and I would suggest you just forget about PH..

Hi again. I try to load picture on mobile but i did not find where to load.
That 30. day of tank and 15. day of diatom.
But diatom is continuing slowly.
Is it normal ? 15 days for diatom?
Also i saw some new brown points on glass. Diatom bloom continuing.
I did not do any water changes. But i will do this week. But im not sure for is it correct or that can feed diatoms ?
I put conches yesterday but they are not so hardworking. Two of them sleeping all times in sand.
Im not using any active carbon or anything. Should i use them ?
Thank you again

mcgyvr · 03/02/2018, 05:29 PM

Are you using RO/DI water or just tap water?..
Tap water may contain silicates which may fuel diatom growth..

If you are going to do water changes then you should use ro/di water when you mix the salt..

15days is just fine too.. relax and wait it out..

Massive.Reefer · 03/03/2018, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgyvr

Are you using RO/DI water or just tap water?..
Tap water may contain silicates which may fuel diatom growth..

If you are going to do water changes then you should use ro/di water when you mix the salt..

15days is just fine too.. relax and wait it out..

Im using 5 level Ro device. I measure it about a month ago and that is 0 TDs. Now i dont know because i havent got a tds meter. But approximately its 0 now too.
Should i do water changes ım not sure. Because i read some topics and hard to undestand. Some people say do chansges after 7. Day.
Some says dont do changes when nitrate become 0 and wait again increasing nitrate value. So thats about 7-8 weeks for new tank.

So hard to understand ...

Massive.Reefer · 03/03/2018, 02:09 AM

Last test values; 5 minutes ago.
Kh:9.3
PH:8.10
Amonia:between 0.10/0.25
Nitrite:0
Nitrate :2
Salt:1025
Phosphate:0.03

Massive.Reefer · 03/03/2018, 02:12 AM

Is 0.20 amonia problem ?

mcgyvr · 03/03/2018, 07:27 AM

Now that you tank is cycled you want to do a 20% water change every 2 weeks (or 10% each week) and see how the tank responds to that..

Water changes are more than just nitrate control.. They replace depleted elements (trace elements,etc...) and remove elevated elements (dissolved organics/nitrates,etc...)
Start doing water changes now..

Massive.Reefer · 03/03/2018, 09:45 AM

Ok i will change tomorrow %10
Ok there is Bacteria enough but, is bacteria feed is possible in tank ?
Should i use bioptim ? Maybe no because, that can cause more diatom or cyano. Can bacterias starve in tank ?

And i will decide to buy 2 s clarkies. Is it peaceful specie. I think a clarkie dont accept any other type like snowflake or true percula.
What do you think about a clarkie and different percula ?
Or should i buy 2 clarkie ?
I will put cardinals or firefishes. Can clarkie disturb these fishes?

Massive.Reefer · 03/03/2018, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgyvr

Now that you tank is cycled you want to do a 20% water change every 2 weeks (or 10% each week) and see how the tank responds to that..

Water changes are more than just nitrate control.. They replace depleted elements (trace elements,etc...) and remove elevated elements (dissolved organics/nitrates,etc...)
Start doing water changes now..

^^

mcgyvr · 03/03/2018, 01:32 PM

The bacteria is fine.. it won't starve anytime soon..
you can use bioptim if you want/have it on hand but it shouldn't be needed

I know nothing about clownfish so someone else will need to chime in there..

02/26/2018, 11:59 AM	#1
Massive.Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 9	bacteira using during diatom ? Hi Im new on the forum. I re-start my tank. ı used vinegar and carbonate for rocks and sand.After started system, added live fiji rock about 1 kg. first day i used biodigest and bioptim. Thats 20. day of the tank and 8. day of diatom. That is spreading fast i think. So should i use bioptim and biodigest? 14 day passed already. But bioptim can cause cyano or more diatoms. Im not sure about that. tank is 20 gallon. Water parameters; amonia/nitrite=0 phosphate: 0,01 nitrate:3 saltinity:1026 kh:9.7 i need your supports; thank you

02/26/2018, 01:04 PM	#2
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	I would suggest you don't add anything and just wait for the diatoms to pass.. There really shouldn't be any need to add more bacterial product to the water but it also really shouldn't hurt much if you do.. New tanks almost always go through what we commonly call the "ugly stages" which are diatoms then green hair/film algae and then even cyanobacteria and usually in that order.. They will all pass with time as the tank matures some.. Those ugly stages are TOTALLY NORMAL and will go away in time.. That is usually just a few weeks.. __________________ Who me?

02/27/2018, 06:55 AM	#4
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	You used live rock right so the cycle is likely over and happened already.. If ammonia/nitrite are zero at day 20+ then you can start slowly stocking the tank with clean up crew now to take care of the diatoms,etc.. and even start adding your fish whenever you want.. You can also start doing water changes now too.. Like 20% every 2 weeks is a good starting point.. __________________ Who me?

02/27/2018, 10:58 AM	#6
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Your PH value is totally fine.. In general a range of like 7.8-8.5 is totally acceptable.. and I would suggest you just forget about PH.. __________________ Who me?

03/02/2018, 05:29 PM	#8
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Are you using RO/DI water or just tap water?.. Tap water may contain silicates which may fuel diatom growth.. If you are going to do water changes then you should use ro/di water when you mix the salt.. 15days is just fine too.. relax and wait it out.. __________________ Who me?

03/03/2018, 02:09 AM	#10
Massive.Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 9	Last test values; 5 minutes ago. Kh:9.3 PH:8.10 Amonia:between 0.10/0.25 Nitrite:0 Nitrate :2 Salt:1025 Phosphate:0.03

03/03/2018, 02:12 AM	#11
Massive.Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 9	Is 0.20 amonia problem ?

03/03/2018, 07:27 AM	#12
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Now that you tank is cycled you want to do a 20% water change every 2 weeks (or 10% each week) and see how the tank responds to that.. Water changes are more than just nitrate control.. They replace depleted elements (trace elements,etc...) and remove elevated elements (dissolved organics/nitrates,etc...) Start doing water changes now.. __________________ Who me?

03/03/2018, 09:45 AM	#13
Massive.Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 9	Ok i will change tomorrow %10 Ok there is Bacteria enough but, is bacteria feed is possible in tank ? Should i use bioptim ? Maybe no because, that can cause more diatom or cyano. Can bacterias starve in tank ? And i will decide to buy 2 s clarkies. Is it peaceful specie. I think a clarkie dont accept any other type like snowflake or true percula. What do you think about a clarkie and different percula ? Or should i buy 2 clarkie ? I will put cardinals or firefishes. Can clarkie disturb these fishes?

03/03/2018, 01:32 PM	#15
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	The bacteria is fine.. it won't starve anytime soon.. you can use bioptim if you want/have it on hand but it shouldn't be needed I know nothing about clownfish so someone else will need to chime in there.. __________________ Who me?