Blue-Green Chromis breathing heavily

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 11:44 AM

Hello,

My newly arrived Blue-Green Chromis just started to breath heavily and it is acting as its going to die, laying on side and floating, not swimming enough against the wavemaker flow.

I got it on April 5th (after 30 hours shipping), on April 6th at night he started to poop a white string.

I tried to feed last night it didn't want to eat.

Chromis is in his dedicated QT. Water is new.

Any advises ?

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 12:04 PM

There are some tiny purple marks over Chromis body.

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 12:50 PM

Video
https://youtu.be/zqxOF-dDx0U

qoeletd · 04/07/2018, 01:03 PM

can you feed they with artemia shrimps? better if enriched

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qoeletd · 04/07/2018, 01:07 PM

and stop the powerhead and use an aerator like this

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Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 01:15 PM

Chromis is starting become crazy, just now he wake up from his lethargic status to a turbo fish smashing his body against glass and jump over water (lucky I got a cover).

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by qoeletd

can you feed they with artemia shrimps? better if enriched
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Unfortunately I do not have artemia shrimps but his situation right now is very bad, I dont think it would eat anything.

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and stop the powerhead and use an aerator like this

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I added one.

ROlympia · 04/07/2018, 01:18 PM

I would check ammonia. Don't assume.

Also I would cover the tank with a towel and leave him alone. Feed once at some point during the day and if he's gonna recover he'll start taking the food.

Check ammonia.

qoeletd · 04/07/2018, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark888

Unfortunately I do not have artemia shrimps but his situation right now is very bad, I dont think it would eat anything.

I added one.

in general, chromis like very much artemia, can stimulate they to eat...
however try to add vitamins in the water...

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Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 01:37 PM

Well, I think it's already game over.

https://youtu.be/BPSgGYdHwEs

https://youtu.be/xLl1xfQ7VQQ

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 01:40 PM

Im pretty sure he got some disease, it happen very fast within few hours his health deteriorated very fast.

I have Paraguard and Cupramine, anyone think I should use one of them ?

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROlympia

I would check ammonia. Don't assume.

Also I would cover the tank with a towel and leave him alone. Feed once at some point during the day and if he's gonna recover he'll start taking the food.

Check ammonia.

Tested ammonia using Salifert kit : 0.

Shark888 · 04/07/2018, 02:20 PM

Chromis is smashing his head against glass, it's really horrible.

One minute he is laying lethargic at the bottom and next minute it launch himself very fast to smash his head against the glass

Shark888 · 04/08/2018, 02:30 AM

Chromis is dead. RIP.

Shark888 · 04/08/2018, 06:56 AM

Hello, looking from you guys experience, anyone got the following symptoms :

Fish started breathing heavily and became lethargic at the same time, last night at 10PM.

During next hours he stayed in the same state and from time to time woke up by himself and litterally launched and smashed himself against the glass and tried to jump over water (very horrible to see this).

I got this fish three days ago and it was in a dedicated QT tank with all water parameters in check.

j.falk · 04/08/2018, 07:08 AM

Did you test the water that they shipped it in before adding it to your QT? How did you acclimate it? Something was off...it was definitely under some sort of stress.

Shark888 · 04/08/2018, 07:44 AM

No I didnt test water. I did acclimate it using a cup pouring slowly and few times my QT new water inside the bag.

The process was done in 5 mn.

So you think he died only because of stress. Im suspecting he got some disease.

I bought two blue-green chromis from this online shop, one was dead on arrival and this one so died within 48 hours.

j.falk · 04/08/2018, 07:55 AM

That fish was under stress. Learn to acclimate your fish correctly: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959576

nereefpat · 04/08/2018, 08:21 AM

Chromis often come in pretty sickly. The 30hrs of shipping might not have helped.

Usually the best way to acclimate to your qt, especially when fish has been shipped, is to match the salinity of the qt to what is in the fish's bag. Temp acclimate (float) for about a 1/2 he. Then drop fish in the tank.

It might not have mattered though. As I said, chromis can be sickly, coming in with uronema or all sorts of other ailments.

Shark888 · 04/08/2018, 08:27 AM

I forgot to write that the bag (closed) was floating in QT water for 30mn before I opened it and so after opening I did as I said a fast acclimatation using a cup.

I bought together with this chromis a skunk shrimp and few lps corals using the same acclim process and they are fine.

Anyway next time I will test water of the bag and see if there are too large differences then I will make it more slowly.

nereefpat · 04/08/2018, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark888

Anyway next time I will test water of the bag and see if there are too large differences then I will make it more slowly.

That's not what you want to do.

Match the qt salinity to the water in the fish's bag. Temperature acclimate by floating the bag. Then drop in the fish.

If you go slowly, especially if shipping has taken extra long, the ammonia in the bag will burn the fish.

Shark888 · 04/08/2018, 08:55 AM

Oh yes understand, I just read another link, match salinity of the bag is the way to go. Thanks.

Maddlesrain · 04/08/2018, 11:04 AM

To acclimate using the bag method it’s best to let the fish float for 5 min or less before opening the bag. Then every 5 minutes add about 1/4 cup of water over a 30 minute to an hour period. Dump half the water once the bag gets full and continue the process if need be. You can also add a dash of prime to the bag to mitigate any ammonia build up and avoid poisoning of the fish. I acclimate all my fish this way and have never had issues with it.

Your acclimation was definitely too quickly done and might have caused shock to the fish. How long had the saltwater in the quarantine tank been mixed before adding? And was the temperature of the water between 70-80? From my experience, Chromis are pretty solid fish that can take a beating.

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Maddlesrain · 04/08/2018, 11:05 AM

^^ I meant the temperature and degrees Fahrenheit ** just wanted to clarify! (:

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nereefpat · 04/08/2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddlesrain

To acclimate using the bag method it’s best to let the fish float for 5 min or less before opening the bag. Then every 5 minutes add about 1/4 cup of water over a 30 minute to an hour period. Dump half the water once the bag gets full and continue the process if need be. You can also add a dash of prime to the bag to mitigate any ammonia build up and avoid poisoning of the fish. I acclimate all my fish this way and have never had issues with it.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1959576

04/08/2018, 08:21 AM	#19
nereefpat Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 3,190	Chromis often come in pretty sickly. The 30hrs of shipping might not have helped. Usually the best way to acclimate to your qt, especially when fish has been shipped, is to match the salinity of the qt to what is in the fish's bag. Temp acclimate (float) for about a 1/2 he. Then drop fish in the tank. It might not have mattered though. As I said, chromis can be sickly, coming in with uronema or all sorts of other ailments. __________________ Pat Current Tank Info: 125 in-wall , 40b sump. 6 bulb T5. ASM G2 skimmer. LPS and leathers

04/07/2018, 12:50 PM	#3
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Video https://youtu.be/zqxOF-dDx0U

04/07/2018, 01:03 PM	#4
qoeletd Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 38	can you feed they with artemia shrimps? better if enriched Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk

04/07/2018, 01:07 PM	#5
qoeletd Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 38	and stop the powerhead and use an aerator like this Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk

04/07/2018, 01:15 PM	#6
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Chromis is starting become crazy, just now he wake up from his lethargic status to a turbo fish smashing his body against glass and jump over water (lucky I got a cover).

04/07/2018, 01:18 PM	#8
ROlympia Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 138	I would check ammonia. Don't assume. Also I would cover the tank with a towel and leave him alone. Feed once at some point during the day and if he's gonna recover he'll start taking the food. Check ammonia.

04/07/2018, 01:37 PM	#10
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Well, I think it's already game over. https://youtu.be/BPSgGYdHwEs https://youtu.be/xLl1xfQ7VQQ

04/07/2018, 01:40 PM	#11
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Im pretty sure he got some disease, it happen very fast within few hours his health deteriorated very fast. I have Paraguard and Cupramine, anyone think I should use one of them ?

04/07/2018, 02:20 PM	#13
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Chromis is smashing his head against glass, it's really horrible. One minute he is laying lethargic at the bottom and next minute it launch himself very fast to smash his head against the glass

04/08/2018, 02:30 AM	#14
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Chromis is dead. RIP.

04/08/2018, 06:56 AM	#15
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Hello, looking from you guys experience, anyone got the following symptoms : Fish started breathing heavily and became lethargic at the same time, last night at 10PM. During next hours he stayed in the same state and from time to time woke up by himself and litterally launched and smashed himself against the glass and tried to jump over water (very horrible to see this). I got this fish three days ago and it was in a dedicated QT tank with all water parameters in check.

04/08/2018, 07:08 AM	#16
j.falk Registered Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 632	Did you test the water that they shipped it in before adding it to your QT? How did you acclimate it? Something was off...it was definitely under some sort of stress.

04/08/2018, 07:44 AM	#17
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	No I didnt test water. I did acclimate it using a cup pouring slowly and few times my QT new water inside the bag. The process was done in 5 mn. So you think he died only because of stress. Im suspecting he got some disease. I bought two blue-green chromis from this online shop, one was dead on arrival and this one so died within 48 hours.

04/08/2018, 07:55 AM	#18
j.falk Registered Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 632	That fish was under stress. Learn to acclimate your fish correctly: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959576

04/08/2018, 08:27 AM	#20
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	I forgot to write that the bag (closed) was floating in QT water for 30mn before I opened it and so after opening I did as I said a fast acclimatation using a cup. I bought together with this chromis a skunk shrimp and few lps corals using the same acclim process and they are fine. Anyway next time I will test water of the bag and see if there are too large differences then I will make it more slowly.

04/08/2018, 08:55 AM	#22
Shark888 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: French in China Posts: 178	Oh yes understand, I just read another link, match salinity of the bag is the way to go. Thanks.

04/08/2018, 11:04 AM	#23
Maddlesrain Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 17	To acclimate using the bag method it’s best to let the fish float for 5 min or less before opening the bag. Then every 5 minutes add about 1/4 cup of water over a 30 minute to an hour period. Dump half the water once the bag gets full and continue the process if need be. You can also add a dash of prime to the bag to mitigate any ammonia build up and avoid poisoning of the fish. I acclimate all my fish this way and have never had issues with it. Your acclimation was definitely too quickly done and might have caused shock to the fish. How long had the saltwater in the quarantine tank been mixed before adding? And was the temperature of the water between 70-80? From my experience, Chromis are pretty solid fish that can take a beating. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04/08/2018, 11:05 AM	#24
Maddlesrain Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 17	^^ I meant the temperature and degrees Fahrenheit ** just wanted to clarify! (: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk