Some Excellent Reading

MiNdErAsR · 03/13/2002, 10:12 AM

A couple of articles from the good Doctor.

Food in Bits and Pieces
Phytoplankton, A Necessity for Clams
Filter-Feeding food, Featherdusters, and Phytoplankton
Feeding Begets Food, 1
Feeding Begets Food, 2

Enjoy!

Special thanks to DT's Plankton Farm and Dr. Ron Shimek for these great articles.

Gary Majchrzak · 03/13/2002, 10:24 AM

Hmmmm.... good link.I've NEVER purchased ANY phytoplankton for feeding ANYTHING.I grow it on the aquarium glass and magnet scrape it off.Been doin' that for over 8 years.I'll take that first statement back-I did buy some nanochloropsus for my rotifer cultures,once.Not to change the subject matter,BUT, MiNdErAsR -how is your clam and copperband doing?

MiNdErAsR · 03/13/2002, 11:02 AM

Gary,
All clams are doing great. The copperband butterfly ignores them. Unfortunately I haven't had much luck weening him off freshly smashed littleneck clams.

On a side note, I have observed my pair of Gobiodon okinawae violently chase off the cbb if it gets too close to any acropora colony in which they dwell. Kind of funny to see considering how small they are compared to the CBB.

chewie · 03/13/2002, 11:08 AM

NICE!!!

Thank you Dr. Ron, and thank you Jim!!! I wonder if Kent has ever read this!!!

mr294 · 03/13/2002, 02:38 PM

excellent articles. thanks!

toptank · 03/14/2002, 08:11 PM

Jim, thanks for sharing.

Barry

toptank · 03/28/2002, 09:23 PM

Yes that was very good reading.

Thanks

Barry

Nishant3789 · 06/23/2002, 07:54 AM

so gary, ure saying that you can feed filterfeeders with whatever algea you scrape off the glass of your aquarium?
nishant

AQUAkid · 08/03/2002, 04:28 AM

That was excellent reading.

Thanks a lot.

Gary Majchrzak · 08/03/2002, 05:42 AM

Nishant: I am indeed saying that I feed filter feeders with those algae scrapings. To what extent they succeed in substituting for real phyto- I don't know. I'd like to find out the answer someday.

MiNdErAsR · 08/04/2002, 09:37 AM

I would think that scrapings from the glass would be too large in particle size. But I could be wrong.

Gary Majchrzak · 08/04/2002, 10:32 AM

Jim, I'm not referring to the big chunks {"scrapings"} so much as the algal "fuzz" removed with the magnet.This "fuzz" may indeed be much larger than phytoplankton,but I'm wondering if much of my phyto-feeders are utilizing it...?
I believe they are, but I have no proof.

MiNdErAsR · 08/15/2002, 07:46 AM

Broken links fixed.

JoJoIndianapolis · 08/22/2002, 10:49 PM

Thanks Jim!

I grew a little bit more as a hobbyest...

Great reading!

Gary Majchrzak · 04/21/2003, 10:26 PM

The information provided in the above links convinced me to try dosing a phytoplankton supplement. I am happy to report seeing great results in my reef aquarium- especially with my large Tridacna squamosa and numerous filter feeding organisms. Thanks again for the information Ron and Jim!

Fliger · 04/29/2003, 01:23 PM

And Gary, you switching based on reading these articles has convinced me to start dosing. Thanks.

THE GIMP · 04/29/2003, 08:07 PM

I gotta chime in too! Great reading. Thanks! My 2 maxis thank you.

newkie · 06/11/2003, 08:46 AM

Some interesting reading from Reef Invertabrates by Anthony Calfo and Bob Fenner

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BookMatte...cnids-demo.pdf

Periette · 07/13/2003, 11:27 AM

Hi, all. Caught this thread and was wondering your recommended phyto? DT's? That's what I was using but was concerned about overfeeding. Any comments on frequency, etc.?

Thanks!

dragon_slayer · 08/10/2003, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Periette
Hi, all. Caught this thread and was wondering your recommended phyto? DT's? That's what I was using but was concerned about overfeeding. Any comments on frequency, etc.?

Thanks!

I feed my tank daily with ESV spray dried phytoplankton, I have two 3" derasa and two 2" gold maximas and all are growing nicely.

I like the spray dried over the live as it seams to be less pollutant on a tank IME.

kc

MiNdErAsR · 08/10/2003, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dragon_slayer
I feed my tank daily with ESV spray dried phytoplankton

Actually you might want to rethink this. A couple of MACNA's ago (2001?) Rob Toonen did a presentation concerning the various planktonic foods (iirc DT's, Cryo-pastes, Golden Pearls, Spray Dried Phytoplankton, and Black Powder...there may have been others as well) available to the hobby. As it turned out ESV SDPP tends to clump up into a particle size which is too large for the animals (I forget which) involved in testing. This was the case even if a high speed blender was used.

Clams require a very specific particle size of phytoplankton, otherwise their gills could become clogged. This can be fatal to the clam. The articles on this very subject, linked at the top of this thread, are definitely worth the read.

Live phytoplankton (such as DT's) should not be a cause for concern as a source for pollution. What doesn't get eaten will survive until it does get eaten, or be removed via skimming. I'd be more concerned with uneaten freeze-dried foods polluting the tank.

IMO, IME

Rod Buehler · 08/11/2003, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dragon_slayer

I like the spray dried over the live as it seams to be less pollutant on a tank IME.

kc

I cant imaging anything that is live being more "pollutant" than anything that is dead. wether it be fish, coral or phytoplankton.

a.p.17 · 09/16/2003, 08:03 PM

great reading and very helpful. thanks

wombat2 · 11/12/2003, 05:03 PM

This link is to an article by Rob Toonen where he talks about the differences in the various phytoplankton supplements available:
http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog...en_102500.html
Basically, DTs are best

gcvt · 02/07/2004, 06:45 AM

The only link I can get to work is the "Suspension Feeding" one

Anyone else having trouble with them?

03/13/2002, 10:12 AM	#1
MiNdErAsR Dark Lord of Sriracha! Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The People's Republik of New York Posts: 5,346	Some Excellent Reading A couple of articles from the good Doctor. Food in Bits and Pieces Phytoplankton, A Necessity for Clams Filter-Feeding food, Featherdusters, and Phytoplankton Feeding Begets Food, 1 Feeding Begets Food, 2 Enjoy! Special thanks to DT's Plankton Farm and Dr. Ron Shimek for these great articles. __________________ Jim Cancer is Les' enemy, cancer is my enemy, the enemy of something, something, friend, something, something... Therefore Les is my friend - El Barto Current Tank Info: Gone With The Wind Last edited by MiNdErAsR; 08/07/2006 at 08:17 PM.

03/13/2002, 10:24 AM	#2
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	Hmmmm.... good link.I've NEVER purchased ANY phytoplankton for feeding ANYTHING.I grow it on the aquarium glass and magnet scrape it off.Been doin' that for over 8 years.I'll take that first statement back-I did buy some nanochloropsus for my rotifer cultures,once.Not to change the subject matter,BUT, MiNdErAsR -how is your clam and copperband doing? __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

03/13/2002, 11:02 AM	#3
MiNdErAsR Dark Lord of Sriracha! Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The People's Republik of New York Posts: 5,346	Gary, All clams are doing great. The copperband butterfly ignores them. Unfortunately I haven't had much luck weening him off freshly smashed littleneck clams. On a side note, I have observed my pair of Gobiodon okinawae violently chase off the cbb if it gets too close to any acropora colony in which they dwell. Kind of funny to see considering how small they are compared to the CBB. __________________ Jim Cancer is Les' enemy, cancer is my enemy, the enemy of something, something, friend, something, something... Therefore Les is my friend - El Barto Current Tank Info: Gone With The Wind

08/03/2002, 04:28 AM	#9
AQUAkid Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seoul Korea Posts: 1	very good articles. That was excellent reading. Thanks a lot.

08/03/2002, 05:42 AM	#10
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	Nishant: I am indeed saying that I feed filter feeders with those algae scrapings. To what extent they succeed in substituting for real phyto- I don't know. I'd like to find out the answer someday. __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

03/13/2002, 11:08 AM	#4
chewie Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland OR Posts: 1,170	NICE!!! Thank you Dr. Ron, and thank you Jim!!! I wonder if Kent has ever read this!!!

03/13/2002, 02:38 PM	#5
mr294 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,122	excellent articles. thanks!

03/14/2002, 08:11 PM	#6
toptank Moved On Join Date: May 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,327	Jim, thanks for sharing. Barry

03/28/2002, 09:23 PM	#7
toptank Moved On Join Date: May 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,327	Yes that was very good reading. Thanks Barry

06/23/2002, 07:54 AM	#8
Nishant3789 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 237	so gary, ure saying that you can feed filterfeeders with whatever algea you scrape off the glass of your aquarium? nishant

08/04/2002, 09:37 AM	#11
MiNdErAsR Dark Lord of Sriracha! Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The People's Republik of New York Posts: 5,346	I would think that scrapings from the glass would be too large in particle size. But I could be wrong. __________________ Jim Cancer is Les' enemy, cancer is my enemy, the enemy of something, something, friend, something, something... Therefore Les is my friend - El Barto Current Tank Info: Gone With The Wind

08/04/2002, 10:32 AM	#12
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	Jim, I'm not referring to the big chunks {"scrapings"} so much as the algal "fuzz" removed with the magnet.This "fuzz" may indeed be much larger than phytoplankton,but I'm wondering if much of my phyto-feeders are utilizing it...? I believe they are, but I have no proof. __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

08/15/2002, 07:46 AM	#13
MiNdErAsR Dark Lord of Sriracha! Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The People's Republik of New York Posts: 5,346	Broken links fixed. __________________ Jim Cancer is Les' enemy, cancer is my enemy, the enemy of something, something, friend, something, something... Therefore Les is my friend - El Barto Current Tank Info: Gone With The Wind

08/22/2002, 10:49 PM	#14
JoJoIndianapolis Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indianapolis-Baltimore Posts: 204	Thanks Jim! I grew a little bit more as a hobbyest... Great reading!

04/21/2003, 10:26 PM	#15
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	The information provided in the above links convinced me to try dosing a phytoplankton supplement. I am happy to report seeing great results in my reef aquarium- especially with my large Tridacna squamosa and numerous filter feeding organisms. Thanks again for the information Ron and Jim!

04/29/2003, 01:23 PM	#16
Fliger Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 8,642	And Gary, you switching based on reading these articles has convinced me to start dosing. Thanks.

04/29/2003, 08:07 PM	#17
THE GIMP Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fullerton, California Posts: 694	I gotta chime in too! Great reading. Thanks! My 2 maxis thank you.

06/11/2003, 08:46 AM	#18
newkie Premium Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Galway, Ireland Posts: 3,376	Some interesting reading from Reef Invertabrates by Anthony Calfo and Bob Fenner http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BookMatte...cnids-demo.pdf

07/13/2003, 11:27 AM	#19
Periette Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 124	Hi, all. Caught this thread and was wondering your recommended phyto? DT's? That's what I was using but was concerned about overfeeding. Any comments on frequency, etc.? Thanks!

09/16/2003, 08:03 PM	#23
a.p.17 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 127	great reading and very helpful. thanks __________________ The only thing I know is that I know nothing. Socrates Current Tank Info: 55 gal mixed reef clam tank, 29 gallon reef tank, 10 gallon seahorse/pipefish tank, 5.5 gall reef, 2.5 gal nano reef

11/12/2003, 05:03 PM	#24
wombat2 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Davis CA Posts: 1,560	This link is to an article by Rob Toonen where he talks about the differences in the various phytoplankton supplements available: http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog...en_102500.html Basically, DTs are best

02/07/2004, 06:45 AM	#25
gcvt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF, CA Posts: 1,919	The only link I can get to work is the "Suspension Feeding" one Anyone else having trouble with them?