new anenomy's i need a little help

fish are life · 03/02/2006, 10:53 PM

i just baught two new anenomy's a bulp anenomy and a sebae anenomy. i think the sebae likes to be on the sand bed and the bulb on the rocks but what kind of light and water flow do they like?

Amphiprion · 03/02/2006, 10:58 PM

Both appreciate reasonable light (multiple pc, vho, t5 or metal halide). However, I don't recommend mixing species in the same tank (though others have had success, it is not generally a good idea). Let them settle where they want, meanwhile being sure to cover powerhead intakes with sponges, etc to keep them from being damaged. ONce they settle, you will need to feed them often. Assuming they do well, both, especially the sebae, will get quite large. this (at least in my experience) is the best way to keep them alive-- but i don't want to get your hopes up, as these are still extremely difficult animals to care for. the vast majority do not survive for long.

mace88 · 03/02/2006, 10:59 PM

Need metal halides to survive long term...

fish are life · 03/02/2006, 11:04 PM

well now i am running 390 watts in a 60G but within a week i will have a 110 TALL with 420 watts how will i get the sebae saffice lighting if he likes the sand? and at my work they were in the same tank so i assumed they were fine together and i have them on opposite sides on the tank because i have the "valley" look with live rock on the long ends. and i feed zooplankton every day, should i spot feed them? and what els is there to know?

TWallace · 03/02/2006, 11:12 PM

Doesn't really matter where you put them. If they don't like it, they'll move til they are happy. Just watch the power head intakes if they aren't well protected.

fish are life · 03/02/2006, 11:15 PM

ya well i have them blocked off but i will still watch them, i read that they both will sometimes be so stubborn that if they like a place that happens to have no light they will stay there until they die. is this true?

iamquockie · 03/02/2006, 11:29 PM

I had a bubble tip anenome in my tank for a couple weeks, it did not like direct light because it always hid where the light doesnt shine. Then it oozed and died. **R.I.P**

fish are life · 03/02/2006, 11:33 PM

mine isnt a bubble tip it is a bulb, looks similar to the sebae only a little smaller and whiter. But i am sorry to hear about ur bubble tip :-(

cutsupremetrib · 03/03/2006, 12:04 AM

i hate anemones by the way U SPELLED IT WRONG hehe

fish are life · 03/03/2006, 01:19 AM

ya i know how to spell it for some reason i didnt know tonight though, plus i am only 16 so that doesnt help

rustybucket145 · 03/03/2006, 08:14 AM

IMO You probably need to invest in a Metal Halide. For a 60gal 200W should be fine. For a 110 you need 400w. Some manufacturers offer pendant lights for a 'reasonable' price. Anemones are very tough to keep for extended amounts of time. Here is a link to a RC members page who seems to have had a great deal of success with anemones in a reef tank. http://www.melevsreef.com/links.html

I would suggest reading some of his pages dealing with the anemone. Good Luck!!!

Amphiprion · 03/03/2006, 10:11 AM

Metal halide is not necessary, even in the long term. However, good lighting and plenty of feeding will certainly help out. I have had no problem keeping a very large sebae under vho for over ten years. BTAs and sebaes will do very well under multiple pc, vho, or halide. I just wanted to add that halide is not the only option.

Anemonebuff · 03/03/2006, 10:25 AM

Sebae anemones will do better under Halides in most cases. Unless you have a very shallow tank. VHOs can maintain them if they are up on the rockwork.

In the future you should do some more research before buying new critters.

Amphiprion · 03/03/2006, 10:30 AM

Metal halide may give an extra boost to an ailing anemone, but then again, so will feeding. IME, good feeding will result in a healthier animal overall. In most cases, sebae anemones don't even survive long enough to find out if halides are the determining factor in keeping them healthy.

Anemonebuff · 03/03/2006, 10:34 AM

What type of tank do you have and what are your specs?

Amphiprion · 03/03/2006, 10:39 AM

If you are referring to me, mine is a 75, 440w vho lighting. I have had good success with a female H. crispa in this setup. She maintains her size no matter what, but spawning can be induced by an increase in feeding (every other day). This is why I believe feeding is so important.

Anemonebuff · 03/03/2006, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amphiprion
If you are referring to me, mine is a 75, 440w vho lighting. I have had good success with a female H. crispa in this setup. She maintains her size no matter what, but spawning can be induced by an increase in feeding (every other day). This is why I believe feeding is so important.

No, not yours.

I do agree that feeding is as important, if not more important, than lighting.

loosbrew · 03/03/2006, 11:50 AM

Well, my 12 year old LTA has done very well in all sorts of lighting. S/he started out with NO flours for a few years moving up to VHO, then finally up to MH. I have to say that S/he looks and acts healthiest under the MH but I can also say from experience that MH are not required, they are just the best.

You really should do your research before you purchase anything.

Good luck.

Luis

reverendmaynard · 03/03/2006, 12:02 PM

I think the 420 watts over a 110 tall (how tall?) may not be sufficient, but your current setup should be.

As has been mentioned, feed them well. IMO, lack of feeding is the number one killer of anemones. Zooplankton, mysis, krill, silversides, basically any meaty food will do. I use a syringe designed for feeding corals to feed mine. Just be careful you don't get it too close, because they can and will grab onto it (I didn't think they'd be able to attach to glass/hard plastic but they can.)

msman825 · 03/03/2006, 12:16 PM

My sebae Moves Up and down. I have 480 watts on a 55 . It goes to top for a few days then back in low light. My BTA does not like bright light, But loves Hole shrimp. And silver sides I dont really like the sebae , It likes to sit on my zoos Kills them Also

Amphiprion · 03/03/2006, 12:18 PM

Oh, a 110 tall. I thought he was talking about a 65 gal. (Feeling like an ignorant jerk now). What kind of lighting will compose your 420 watts? A 110 tall is very tall, I think ~30". You can still use fluorescent, but you will want more than what you have. You may even want to use halides for such an odd-dimensioned tank. I don't think the width of hte tank will allow you too many more fluorescents, though.

03/02/2006, 10:53 PM	#1
fish are life Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tucson AZ Posts: 171	new anenomy's i need a little help i just baught two new anenomy's a bulp anenomy and a sebae anenomy. i think the sebae likes to be on the sand bed and the bulb on the rocks but what kind of light and water flow do they like?

03/02/2006, 10:58 PM	#2
Amphiprion Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 6,611	Both appreciate reasonable light (multiple pc, vho, t5 or metal halide). However, I don't recommend mixing species in the same tank (though others have had success, it is not generally a good idea). Let them settle where they want, meanwhile being sure to cover powerhead intakes with sponges, etc to keep them from being damaged. ONce they settle, you will need to feed them often. Assuming they do well, both, especially the sebae, will get quite large. this (at least in my experience) is the best way to keep them alive-- but i don't want to get your hopes up, as these are still extremely difficult animals to care for. the vast majority do not survive for long. __________________ You've done it now, haven't you? Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO

03/03/2006, 08:14 AM	#11
rustybucket145 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: valdosta, ga Posts: 3,707	IMO You probably need to invest in a Metal Halide. For a 60gal 200W should be fine. For a 110 you need 400w. Some manufacturers offer pendant lights for a 'reasonable' price. Anemones are very tough to keep for extended amounts of time. Here is a link to a RC members page who seems to have had a great deal of success with anemones in a reef tank. http://www.melevsreef.com/links.html I would suggest reading some of his pages dealing with the anemone. Good Luck!!! __________________ 400gals of various tanks in the same system. Current Tank Info: 2 175w MH, 2 VH0 Actinics, Lots of Live Rock, tons of copepods, a Fat Mandarin Goby, Niger Trigger, Yellow Tang, Falco Hawkfish, Bi-Color Pseudo, numerous soft, SPS and LPS Corals

03/03/2006, 10:11 AM	#12
Amphiprion Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 6,611	Metal halide is not necessary, even in the long term. However, good lighting and plenty of feeding will certainly help out. I have had no problem keeping a very large sebae under vho for over ten years. BTAs and sebaes will do very well under multiple pc, vho, or halide. I just wanted to add that halide is not the only option. __________________ You've done it now, haven't you? Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO

03/03/2006, 10:30 AM	#14
Amphiprion Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 6,611	Metal halide may give an extra boost to an ailing anemone, but then again, so will feeding. IME, good feeding will result in a healthier animal overall. In most cases, sebae anemones don't even survive long enough to find out if halides are the determining factor in keeping them healthy. __________________ You've done it now, haven't you? Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO

03/02/2006, 10:59 PM	#3
mace88 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anderson Posts: 75	Need metal halides to survive long term...

03/02/2006, 11:04 PM	#4
fish are life Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tucson AZ Posts: 171	well now i am running 390 watts in a 60G but within a week i will have a 110 TALL with 420 watts how will i get the sebae saffice lighting if he likes the sand? and at my work they were in the same tank so i assumed they were fine together and i have them on opposite sides on the tank because i have the "valley" look with live rock on the long ends. and i feed zooplankton every day, should i spot feed them? and what els is there to know?

03/02/2006, 11:12 PM	#5
TWallace Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,464	Doesn't really matter where you put them. If they don't like it, they'll move til they are happy. Just watch the power head intakes if they aren't well protected.

03/02/2006, 11:15 PM	#6
fish are life Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tucson AZ Posts: 171	ya well i have them blocked off but i will still watch them, i read that they both will sometimes be so stubborn that if they like a place that happens to have no light they will stay there until they die. is this true?

03/02/2006, 11:29 PM	#7
iamquockie Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: dfw Posts: 276	I had a bubble tip anenome in my tank for a couple weeks, it did not like direct light because it always hid where the light doesnt shine. Then it oozed and died. R.I.P

03/02/2006, 11:33 PM	#8
fish are life Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tucson AZ Posts: 171	mine isnt a bubble tip it is a bulb, looks similar to the sebae only a little smaller and whiter. But i am sorry to hear about ur bubble tip :-(

03/03/2006, 12:04 AM	#9
cutsupremetrib Moved On Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lafayette Posts: 400	i hate anemones by the way U SPELLED IT WRONG hehe

03/03/2006, 01:19 AM	#10
fish are life Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tucson AZ Posts: 171	ya i know how to spell it for some reason i didnt know tonight though, plus i am only 16 so that doesnt help

03/03/2006, 10:25 AM	#13
Anemonebuff Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: LI,NY Posts: 3,877	Sebae anemones will do better under Halides in most cases. Unless you have a very shallow tank. VHOs can maintain them if they are up on the rockwork. In the future you should do some more research before buying new critters.

03/03/2006, 10:34 AM	#15
Anemonebuff Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: LI,NY Posts: 3,877	What type of tank do you have and what are your specs?

03/03/2006, 10:39 AM	#16
Amphiprion Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 6,611	If you are referring to me, mine is a 75, 440w vho lighting. I have had good success with a female H. crispa in this setup. She maintains her size no matter what, but spawning can be induced by an increase in feeding (every other day). This is why I believe feeding is so important. __________________ You've done it now, haven't you? Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO

03/03/2006, 11:50 AM	#18
loosbrew Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Winter Park, Florida Posts: 577	Well, my 12 year old LTA has done very well in all sorts of lighting. S/he started out with NO flours for a few years moving up to VHO, then finally up to MH. I have to say that S/he looks and acts healthiest under the MH but I can also say from experience that MH are not required, they are just the best. You really should do your research before you purchase anything. Good luck. Luis

03/03/2006, 12:02 PM	#19
reverendmaynard Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: RI Posts: 1,490	I think the 420 watts over a 110 tall (how tall?) may not be sufficient, but your current setup should be. As has been mentioned, feed them well. IMO, lack of feeding is the number one killer of anemones. Zooplankton, mysis, krill, silversides, basically any meaty food will do. I use a syringe designed for feeding corals to feed mine. Just be careful you don't get it too close, because they can and will grab onto it (I didn't think they'd be able to attach to glass/hard plastic but they can.) __________________ Think for yourself. Question authority. Current Tank Info: 125 gal AGA, setup on 1/1/06; 29 gal seahorse tank, setup 10/21/06

03/03/2006, 12:16 PM	#20
msman825 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: maine Posts: 1,301	My sebae Moves Up and down. I have 480 watts on a 55 . It goes to top for a few days then back in low light. My BTA does not like bright light, But loves Hole shrimp. And silver sides I dont really like the sebae , It likes to sit on my zoos Kills them Also __________________ MSMAN

03/03/2006, 12:18 PM	#21
Amphiprion Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 6,611	Oh, a 110 tall. I thought he was talking about a 65 gal. (Feeling like an ignorant jerk now). What kind of lighting will compose your 420 watts? A 110 tall is very tall, I think ~30". You can still use fluorescent, but you will want more than what you have. You may even want to use halides for such an odd-dimensioned tank. I don't think the width of hte tank will allow you too many more fluorescents, though. __________________ You've done it now, haven't you? Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO