cattleman's DIY drilling for 29 gallon and sump

cherubfish pair · 03/19/2006, 03:31 PM

what size internal overflow box for 29 gallon at 300 gph?

camz28 · 03/19/2006, 03:56 PM

i have a mag 7 return for my 29 gal i have a cpr i think with 2 tubes rated for like 900 glph and it keeps up with it

cherubfish pair · 03/19/2006, 04:02 PM

I'm talking about a two-sided with teeth thing that houses a standpipe.

lemonhead · 03/19/2006, 04:21 PM

the bottom of the 29 gal is more than likely tempered glass, which can not be drilled. drill the hole 1-3/4" hole in the side near a corner at the top or bottom and build the box around it. a 3 x 5" box should do it.

cherubfish pair · 03/19/2006, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lemonhead
the bottom of the 29 gal is more than likely tempered glass, which can not be drilled.

I just emailed All-Glass to find out which panels are tempered.

cherubfish pair · 03/19/2006, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by camz28
i have a mag 7 return for my 29 gal

Well, I don't know what kind of flow I want going through my sump just yet. The sump is rated for 300 gph but I've had around 650+gph through it before and it handled just fine. The mag 5 has a threaded 1/2 inch output. I need the threads to plumb with pvc.

ray22 · 03/20/2006, 08:05 AM

the 29 gal from ag is fine to drill the bottom .

cherubfish pair · 03/20/2006, 09:55 PM

Well, I decided on a Mag 5. It should not be too much flow that the drip plate will be too noisey after I take the bio balls out. It gives me a threaded output, optional filter sponge when I do maintenance (detritus), and a grounded cord.

cherubfish pair · 03/21/2006, 09:25 PM

Quote:

I just emailed All-Glass to find out which panels are tempered.

I got my email back from All-Glass. I asked which panels can be drilled.
They said none of them can be drilled!!

cherubfish pair · 03/21/2006, 09:36 PM

I'm trying to email Christian at wetdryfilter.com. He sells internal overflows. I tried two different addresses that are on his web site. Couldn't get through.

cherubfish pair · 03/22/2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by the cattleman
Well, I decided on a Mag 5 for a return pump...........Well, I don't know what kind of flow I want going through my sump just yet.

There I am contradicting my self. I'm always juggling my reef stuff in my mind.

I did a search on mag-drive pumps and couldn't find their flow rates for heights above 0 feet. I'm juggling sumps in my mind at night keeping me from getting any sleep! lol! The max flow through one of the sumps is 480 gph so I need a mag drive pump that will deliver that much flow at a height of 3.5 feet above the pump. Am I making any sense?

So what do any of you guys think: mag-drive 5 or mag-drive 7 to push ~480 gallons of water an hour at a height of ~3.5 feet--which is where the return pvc pipe will be connected to a bulkhead on the display tank?

cherubfish pair · 03/22/2006, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
I'm trying to email Christian at wetdryfilter.com. He sells internal overflows.

Does anyone know how to get ahold of Christian at wetdryfilter.com? I've tried the new email address on his website and one he had before. His site says he's changing one of his email addresses but doesn't list it.

cherubfish pair · 03/23/2006, 10:31 PM

Can anyone find the website for mag-drive pumps for me? I can't!

impur · 03/24/2006, 02:12 PM

I drilled a section out of the back glass on my AGA 29gal. I mounted an external overflow. Return pump is a mag9 throttled back. Its a little much, i'd prefer the mag5.

MinibowMatt · 03/24/2006, 07:24 PM

I have an overflow I made out of acrylic. it is appx. 2.5x6x6 I didnt end up using it, it is not drilled. PM me if you want it..

kakan · 03/24/2006, 08:51 PM

Based on the Drain / Overflow Size Calculator www.reefcentral.com/calc/drain.php For 500 GPH your overflow should be at lest 8 liner inches with a 1" drain

Also based on the AGA website www.all-glass.com/services/techinfo.shtml your tank should not be tempered.

HTH
Kakan.

Avast Marine · 03/24/2006, 09:00 PM

mag drive head pressure chart

Phyxius · 03/24/2006, 09:06 PM

The 29 All Glass does not have a tempered bottom. I just bought 1 six months ago and had 2 holes drilled in the bottom for the overflow and return box. The AG website has a section in the FAQ that shows which tanks are tempered or not on the bottom.
I`m using a Mag 7 with a "T" off it to divert flow back in the sump if needed. With the 1" drain I never had to crack it open to divert flow and it gives a nice steady flow through the system

Youngsilver · 03/25/2006, 05:22 AM

Im not using an overflow box on my 29, just a 90* elbo right off of my bulkhead turned straight up. I cut a 1/4' peice of pvc and put inside the elbo, then a round peice of guttergaurd, then another 1/4" peice of pcv over it. The 1/4" peices of pcv keep teh gaurd from moving around, its very sturdy. I did this so i didnt use up anymore space then i had to, since it is such a small tank

Hope this helps

cherubfish pair · 03/25/2006, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phyxius
I`m using a Mag 7 with a "T" off it to divert flow back in the sump if needed. With the 1" drain I never had to crack it open to divert flow and it gives a nice steady flow through the system

This sounds really good to me--diverting the flow makes more sense than throttling back on the return.

With the mag 7 the flow at 3 feet is 500 gph and at 4 feet it is 480 gph.

cherubfish pair · 03/25/2006, 09:58 PM

This in from Christian (on the widths of a 2-sided corner internal overflow):

Something like 5" x 5" should be fine; possibly a little smaller.

Christian Schwalm
SkyLab

cherubfish pair · 03/26/2006, 05:17 PM

This is the sump I was thinking about because it would give me more room in my stand:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...2&N=2004+22778

But, I could save a lot by customizing the one I have. Here it is:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Aqua+Cle...I-C-26-C-.aspx

The major reasons I don't like the one I have is that I couldn't fit a CSS65 skimmer in the return pump partition and I would have to buy 2 smaller heaters.

Bovetek · 03/26/2006, 07:16 PM

here is the website for mg pumps
http://www.dannermfg.com/

cherubfish pair · 03/28/2006, 03:32 PM

Can pumps for in-line pressure filters be used for direct sump return pumps?

cherubfish pair · 03/28/2006, 03:37 PM

It might seem like I'm beating these issues to death, but when I first started I didn't use these boards and ran up a credit card with stuff I don't need and now I'm forced to sell a bunch of stuff. I just want to make the right decisions now and besides I like this socializing anyway.

03/19/2006, 03:31 PM	#1
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	what size internal overflow box for 29 gallon at 300 gph? what size internal overflow box for 29 gallon at 300 gph? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/19/2006, 04:02 PM	#3
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I'm talking about a two-sided with teeth thing that houses a standpipe. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/20/2006, 08:05 AM	#7
ray22 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 362	the 29 gal from ag is fine to drill the bottom . __________________ 45gal Oceanic starphire tank outer orbit 250watt hqi , with t5's Tunze 6100 with wave control , mag7 for the sump return kalk reactor , refugium ro/di unit asm g3 skimmer ,

03/20/2006, 09:55 PM	#8
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Well, I decided on a Mag 5. It should not be too much flow that the drip plate will be too noisey after I take the bio balls out. It gives me a threaded output, optional filter sponge when I do maintenance (detritus), and a grounded cord. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/21/2006, 09:36 PM	#10
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I'm trying to email Christian at wetdryfilter.com. He sells internal overflows. I tried two different addresses that are on his web site. Couldn't get through. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/19/2006, 03:56 PM	#2
camz28 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: EDISON, NJ Posts: 846	i have a mag 7 return for my 29 gal i have a cpr i think with 2 tubes rated for like 900 glph and it keeps up with it

03/19/2006, 04:21 PM	#4
lemonhead Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: alabama Posts: 280	the bottom of the 29 gal is more than likely tempered glass, which can not be drilled. drill the hole 1-3/4" hole in the side near a corner at the top or bottom and build the box around it. a 3 x 5" box should do it.

03/23/2006, 10:31 PM	#13
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Can anyone find the website for mag-drive pumps for me? I can't! __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/24/2006, 02:12 PM	#14
impur Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 4,262	I drilled a section out of the back glass on my AGA 29gal. I mounted an external overflow. Return pump is a mag9 throttled back. Its a little much, i'd prefer the mag5. __________________ Great spirits often encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds. Current Tank Info: 75gal, 20gal sump, 6-54w T5 TEK

03/24/2006, 07:24 PM	#15
MinibowMatt Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In Another Times Forgotten Space Posts: 3,389	I have an overflow I made out of acrylic. it is appx. 2.5x6x6 I didnt end up using it, it is not drilled. PM me if you want it.. __________________ ----------------------- Matt Prop & Save! "Sure dont know what I'm going for, but I'm gonna go for it for sure!"

03/24/2006, 08:51 PM	#16
kakan Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Commerce MI Posts: 486	Based on the Drain / Overflow Size Calculator www.reefcentral.com/calc/drain.php For 500 GPH your overflow should be at lest 8 liner inches with a 1" drain Also based on the AGA website www.all-glass.com/services/techinfo.shtml your tank should not be tempered. HTH Kakan. __________________ Remember, if the women don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy. {Red Green} Current Tank Info: 90g AGA Mixed Reef, 20g sump, Eheim 1260 Return, ER RS180, Reeflow dart & OM 4way, 2x250w MH, RK2 Controler

03/24/2006, 09:00 PM	#17
Avast Marine RC Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,446	mag drive head pressure chart

03/24/2006, 09:06 PM	#18
Phyxius Moving About Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: RTP NC Posts: 2,405	The 29 All Glass does not have a tempered bottom. I just bought 1 six months ago and had 2 holes drilled in the bottom for the overflow and return box. The AG website has a section in the FAQ that shows which tanks are tempered or not on the bottom. I`m using a Mag 7 with a "T" off it to divert flow back in the sump if needed. With the 1" drain I never had to crack it open to divert flow and it gives a nice steady flow through the system __________________ -Mike I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do in it. W. C. Fields Current Tank Info: JUST SOLD AND TOOK DOWN ALL 11/10---210g AGA, 80g sump, Tunze Streams. Tunze ATO,RK Elite Controller, RKII,Dart, GEO Calcium& Nielsen Kalk Reactors,GEO media reactor, Kaleini Rock, 3-250 watt 14k EVC , VHO..... 34g Solana and 60g cube

03/25/2006, 05:22 AM	#19
Youngsilver C'est un touche-à-tout Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Shreveport / Dallas / OKC Posts: 423	Im not using an overflow box on my 29, just a 90* elbo right off of my bulkhead turned straight up. I cut a 1/4' peice of pvc and put inside the elbo, then a round peice of guttergaurd, then another 1/4" peice of pcv over it. The 1/4" peices of pcv keep teh gaurd from moving around, its very sturdy. I did this so i didnt use up anymore space then i had to, since it is such a small tank Hope this helps

03/25/2006, 09:58 PM	#21
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	This in from Christian (on the widths of a 2-sided corner internal overflow): Something like 5" x 5" should be fine; possibly a little smaller. Christian Schwalm SkyLab __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/26/2006, 05:17 PM	#22
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	This is the sump I was thinking about because it would give me more room in my stand: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...2&N=2004+22778 But, I could save a lot by customizing the one I have. Here it is: http://www.petsolutions.com/Aqua+Cle...I-C-26-C-.aspx The major reasons I don't like the one I have is that I couldn't fit a CSS65 skimmer in the return pump partition and I would have to buy 2 smaller heaters. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/26/2006, 07:16 PM	#23
Bovetek Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yuma, CO Posts: 248	here is the website for mg pumps http://www.dannermfg.com/

03/28/2006, 03:32 PM	#24
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Can pumps for in-line pressure filters be used for direct sump return pumps? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/28/2006, 03:37 PM	#25
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	It might seem like I'm beating these issues to death, but when I first started I didn't use these boards and ran up a credit card with stuff I don't need and now I'm forced to sell a bunch of stuff. I just want to make the right decisions now and besides I like this socializing anyway. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless