Who else doesn't use fuge/sump?

sloshesv · 05/10/2006, 07:34 AM

I'm not advocating this, people. I'm just wondering how small of a minority I'm in.

Travis L. Stevens · 05/10/2006, 07:51 AM

I used to run one for six months as a reef, but I've had many others. It takes proper maintenance and extra special planning on livestock for this to be done correctly and successfully.

Snarkys · 05/10/2006, 08:08 AM

ive been successful with a hang on fuge and hang on deltec skimmer.

sloshesv · 05/10/2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by Snarkys
ive been successful with a hang on fuge and hang on deltec skimmer.

Hang on fuge? Please tell me more.

sloshesv · 05/10/2006, 08:34 AM

I checked out a few on some of the sponsor sites. It looks doable. This thread has taken a strange turn.

Mike.B · 05/10/2006, 08:39 AM

I run a sump, not a fuge though. I hope to rid all my nitrates with a phosphate reactor with de nitrate in it, 1 maybe 2, we'll see how it goes.

Electrobes · 05/10/2006, 08:50 AM

I have a 40 breeder without a sump or fuge. I have a hang-on skimmer, and a Aqua Clear 110 with rock rubble in it. I also have a phosban reactor that usually runs carbon, but I bought phosban to eventually try it. Honestly... without the skimmer I think the tank would plummet health-wise.

I do have plans of adding a display refugium to the the 40g, but won't do that until I move in a year (will get both tanks drilled). Technically the tank will still be sumpless.

davocean · 05/10/2006, 08:51 AM

Depends on what you want to keep.
Some things are more tolerant to dirty water.
Some things like mandarins need pods and a fuge really helps achieve that.
I've run w/out a sump/fuge for years, but I know my tank could be healthier with one, working on it right now.
I have a mandarin, so now I have a fuge w/ LR ruble and chaeto

Snarkys · 05/10/2006, 08:52 AM

what are the "main" reasons to use a sump ?

1)i think is there used to be no good options for hang on skimmers so if you wanted a real skimmer you needed a sump , The deltec hang on solved that.

2) Increased the systems total water volume . Get a bigger tank ?

3) fuge , how not as good but there are hang on fuges from CPR and knockoffs.

Sump may be the best way but it certainly isn't required for success.

Snarkys · 05/10/2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by davocean
Depends on what you want to keep.
Some things are more tolerant to dirty water.

adding a sump doesnt do anything to clean the water does it ?

davocean · 05/10/2006, 08:58 AM

Well, sump/fuge could hold lots of macro keeping nitrates down among other things

sloshesv · 05/10/2006, 09:22 AM

Does a hang on fuge make much of a difference for water quality or is it more for pod breeding?

Snarkys · 05/10/2006, 09:49 AM

properly lit i harvested a ton of cheato.

dermer · 05/10/2006, 09:56 AM

i dont have either in for my 75 i run 2 power heads cl supper skimmer eith uv and 2 maine land 330 filters with carbon and live rock crumbs in them and my water is crystal clear and i have never had a problem with nitrates or anything else for that matter

davocean · 05/10/2006, 10:10 AM

When I had high nitrates, like 40, I did a few things do bring them down, and one of those things was a HO fuge w/ chaeto.
I can't say how much of a difference that alone made, but my trates are down.
I used to have to clean green algae off glass like every 2 days, the chaeto definitely helped w/ that.
I later added ruble for a pod pile.
Of course you can get by w/out one, but as time goes I like to add every little thing I can to make my tank better.

Kaiser Tang · 05/10/2006, 10:12 AM

I do have a sump, but there isn't anything in there that can work for a tank only setup. Sumps just take all of the junk you need and gives it a home out of sight. I had a tank only setup for a long time and was very successful!

davocean · 05/10/2006, 10:22 AM

Well, there is a benefit from more water volume, more area for LR

bobt2 · 05/10/2006, 10:48 AM

i,m running two tanks 33long and 75 no sump or fudge. remora hob skimmers,hob filter for carbon and ph's for flow. everything grows great, bta's split and i sell frags.

05/10/2006, 07:34 AM	#1
sloshesv Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ft myers, fl Posts: 723	Who else doesn't use fuge/sump? I'm not advocating this, people. I'm just wondering how small of a minority I'm in. __________________ It's just sloshesv, your Honor Current Tank Info: 55 gallon reef, 20 gal seahorse and leaf fish

05/10/2006, 07:51 AM	#2
Travis L. Stevens Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Perry, OK Posts: 13,946	I used to run one for six months as a reef, but I've had many others. It takes proper maintenance and extra special planning on livestock for this to be done correctly and successfully. __________________ Travis Stevens Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront

05/10/2006, 08:08 AM	#3
Snarkys RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 3,516	ive been successful with a hang on fuge and hang on deltec skimmer. __________________ Ryan B BRSTV & 52 Weeks of Reefing

05/10/2006, 08:34 AM	#5
sloshesv Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ft myers, fl Posts: 723	I checked out a few on some of the sponsor sites. It looks doable. This thread has taken a strange turn. __________________ It's just sloshesv, your Honor Current Tank Info: 55 gallon reef, 20 gal seahorse and leaf fish

05/10/2006, 08:50 AM	#7
Electrobes Montipora type guy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Myers, FL Posts: 2,945	I have a 40 breeder without a sump or fuge. I have a hang-on skimmer, and a Aqua Clear 110 with rock rubble in it. I also have a phosban reactor that usually runs carbon, but I bought phosban to eventually try it. Honestly... without the skimmer I think the tank would plummet health-wise. I do have plans of adding a display refugium to the the 40g, but won't do that until I move in a year (will get both tanks drilled). Technically the tank will still be sumpless. __________________ Christian Current Tank Info: 100G Half Cylinder

05/10/2006, 08:39 AM	#6
Mike.B Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 548	I run a sump, not a fuge though. I hope to rid all my nitrates with a phosphate reactor with de nitrate in it, 1 maybe 2, we'll see how it goes.

05/10/2006, 08:51 AM	#8
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Depends on what you want to keep. Some things are more tolerant to dirty water. Some things like mandarins need pods and a fuge really helps achieve that. I've run w/out a sump/fuge for years, but I know my tank could be healthier with one, working on it right now. I have a mandarin, so now I have a fuge w/ LR ruble and chaeto __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

05/10/2006, 08:52 AM	#9
Snarkys RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 3,516	what are the "main" reasons to use a sump ? 1)i think is there used to be no good options for hang on skimmers so if you wanted a real skimmer you needed a sump , The deltec hang on solved that. 2) Increased the systems total water volume . Get a bigger tank ? 3) fuge , how not as good but there are hang on fuges from CPR and knockoffs. Sump may be the best way but it certainly isn't required for success. __________________ Ryan B BRSTV & 52 Weeks of Reefing

05/10/2006, 08:58 AM	#11
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Well, sump/fuge could hold lots of macro keeping nitrates down among other things __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

05/10/2006, 09:22 AM	#12
sloshesv Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ft myers, fl Posts: 723	Does a hang on fuge make much of a difference for water quality or is it more for pod breeding? __________________ It's just sloshesv, your Honor Current Tank Info: 55 gallon reef, 20 gal seahorse and leaf fish

05/10/2006, 09:49 AM	#13
Snarkys RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 3,516	properly lit i harvested a ton of cheato. __________________ Ryan B BRSTV & 52 Weeks of Reefing

05/10/2006, 09:56 AM	#14
dermer Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 523	i dont have either in for my 75 i run 2 power heads cl supper skimmer eith uv and 2 maine land 330 filters with carbon and live rock crumbs in them and my water is crystal clear and i have never had a problem with nitrates or anything else for that matter

05/10/2006, 10:10 AM	#15
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	When I had high nitrates, like 40, I did a few things do bring them down, and one of those things was a HO fuge w/ chaeto. I can't say how much of a difference that alone made, but my trates are down. I used to have to clean green algae off glass like every 2 days, the chaeto definitely helped w/ that. I later added ruble for a pod pile. Of course you can get by w/out one, but as time goes I like to add every little thing I can to make my tank better. __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

05/10/2006, 10:12 AM	#16
Kaiser Tang Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,314	I do have a sump, but there isn't anything in there that can work for a tank only setup. Sumps just take all of the junk you need and gives it a home out of sight. I had a tank only setup for a long time and was very successful! __________________ "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: Marineland 150 XH Reef w/ 55 AGA Sump, Oceans Motions Super Squirt, Ecotech Marine Vortech, Current Prime 1/3 hp Chiller, 200 lbs. LR, 175 lbs. LS, 800 watts PFO MH and 440 watts IceCap VHO. Softies, LPS, and Clams!

05/10/2006, 10:22 AM	#17
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Well, there is a benefit from more water volume, more area for LR __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

05/10/2006, 10:48 AM	#18
bobt2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: long island NY Posts: 1,835	i,m running two tanks 33long and 75 no sump or fudge. remora hob skimmers,hob filter for carbon and ph's for flow. everything grows great, bta's split and i sell frags.