Just got back from collecting. Need ID please...

DaveG99 · 06/24/2006, 04:28 PM

I was collecting some fish today in south florida and I caught a hi-hat, a unknown tang, a couple damsels, and a couple coral banded shrimp. Can someone please ID this tang and the damsels. The pic isnt great but it has blue on the bottom and the back fin is greenish. The body is kind of greyish. Are these tangs worth anything? I can catch hundreds of them if I wanted to.

JmLee · 06/24/2006, 04:51 PM

so collecting marine wild life off the coast of florida isnt illegal?. I ask because i see people do it often and it just puzzles me.

DaveG99 · 06/24/2006, 04:53 PM

nope. Why would fishing be illegal? Its just like throwing a pole out there and catching fish to eat off a pier or getty. A $15 license is all you need.

Tat2demon · 06/24/2006, 05:13 PM

Getting animals is legal, collecting rock is not.

DaveG99 · 06/24/2006, 05:30 PM

I have been researching and the only three tangs that are known to live in florida waters are the blue tang, ocean surgeon fish, and the doctor fish. I think what I caught may be a juvinile doctor fish. Here is it full grown...

reefinmike · 06/24/2006, 05:49 PM

atlantic blue tang?

Odin1 · 06/24/2006, 05:49 PM

You got a Coco Damsel and a doctor fish

wetWolger · 06/24/2006, 06:30 PM

booo to collectiong

Nano_reeflover · 06/24/2006, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jent46bow
booo to collectiong

Is everything in your tank aquacultured, tank bred, and your rock made by you or someone else?

scrmbld33 · 06/24/2006, 06:36 PM

iwish i could collect things

jmicky41 · 06/24/2006, 06:38 PM

I think the damsel is often referred to as a Beau Gregory.

CaptiveReef · 06/24/2006, 07:11 PM

This is a touchy subject, but at least these fish are hand caught, and cyanide is not being used. I have to admit I would be catching everything under the sun to put in my own tank, if I lived in Florida.
Nice fish!!!!!

CaptiveReef

appellativo · 06/24/2006, 07:15 PM

ya im jealous too

Freed · 06/24/2006, 07:17 PM

There are plenty of fish you can collect legally. There is a full list of legally allowed fish to catch on the Florida state fish and game collector's listing. Don't know the link to it but I have seen it a few times here and there on RC. Someone has a link to it in a thread somewhere.

Speckled Grouper · 06/24/2006, 07:19 PM

Beau Gregory damsel for sure, I have caught many in the Keys, they get very, very aggressive.
Going down to the Keys next weekend, can't wait....I'll be looking for zoas, feather dusters, coco worms, lettuce nudis, etc....

wetWolger · 06/24/2006, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nano_reeflover
Is everything in your tank aquacultured, tank bred, and your rock made by you or someone else?

Everything in my tank is tank bread, aquacultured, fraged, or rescued from somone (ie the fish outgrew there old system or they were taking the system down). So yes, I do what I say....

scrmbld33 · 06/24/2006, 07:34 PM

i still wish i could collect things, id have a tank just for local caught stuff,

lucky

JmLee · 06/24/2006, 08:13 PM

well i wasnt flaming any one. i was simply curious. I wish i could collect nice specimens like that by hand.

appellativo · 06/24/2006, 08:25 PM

jent46, while there is no need for self righteousness (not that you necessarily were being...) you should be proud that you have chosen to only take certain things which were not harvested directly. I have often felt guilty for fueling the market that rips living things off the reef where they are better left alone. (A moment of silence for my knowing and willing participation in a hobby that results in the countless deaths of living animals at the hands of both well meaning and careless aquarists.) On the other hand, I just am not willing to give up my little window into a world I might never otherwise have gotten to experience. And all who come into contact with my reef get to see and learn about some of the animals that live in the sea (trust me, much to the chagrin of visitors, I go endlessly and tirelessly on and on about all the factoids I know of each creature), hopefully inspiring them to learn even more and even lead them to help protect our oceans.

Amphiprion · 06/24/2006, 08:38 PM

You have Stegastes leucosticta, Acanthurus bahianus (A. chirurgus has defined to faint vertical bars), and a juvenile Pareques acuminatus.

compulou · 06/24/2006, 10:16 PM

Hey Dave, if you don't mind me asking. Where is it that you collect these creatures and using what method? Net, tube gun thing?

Thanks

FelipeBastos · 06/24/2006, 10:28 PM

Where in the keys do you collect from?

Quote:

Originally posted by Speckled Grouper
Beau Gregory damsel for sure, I have caught many in the Keys, they get very, very aggressive.
Going down to the Keys next weekend, can't wait....I'll be looking for zoas, feather dusters, coco worms, lettuce nudis, etc....

DaveG99 · 06/24/2006, 10:53 PM

I was at a reef off of west palm beach. I used a plastic Jar for the tang and one of the damsels. Then I ran into a guy with a slurp gun that was out there. He let me use it and it was very easy! I could have brought back 50 fish if I wanted to but I only brought back 5.

ERICinFL · 06/24/2006, 10:58 PM

Here is a small list of what you can take from Florida waters. This is right off the FWC website. I also included a link to the site so you can download the basic saltwater fishing regulations.

ORNAMENTAL TROPICAL FISH AND PLANTS

MINIMUM SIZE LIMIT: (Total length) Spanish Hogfish 2â€ Spotfin Hogfish 3â€ Porkfish 11/2â€

MAXIMUM SIZE LIMIT: (Total length) Angelfish (except Rock Beauty) 8â€ Butterflyfish, Jawfish 4â€ Rock Beauty 5â€ Gobies 2â€ Spanish Hogfish 8â€ Spotfin Hogfish 8â€

BAG LIMIT: Fishes / Invertebrates: 20 per person per day. No more than 5 Angelfish and no more than 6 Octocoral colonies PLANTS: 1 gallon per person per day
Live landing and live well requirements. Harvest in Biscayne National Park & John Pennekamp State Park prohibited.

PROTECTED SPECIES
It is unlawful to harvest, possess, land, purchase, sell, or exchange the following species:
Nassau Grouper, Goliath Grouper (Jewfish), Sawfish, Basking Shark, Whale Shark, Spotted Eagle Ray, Sturgeon, White Shark, Sand Tiger Shark, Bigeye Sand Tiger Shark, Manta Ray, Spiny Dogfish, Longspine Urchin, Stony, Hard and Fire Corals,
Sea Fans, Florida Queen Conch and Bahama Starfish. Harvest of live rock in state waters is prohibited.

Here's the link: http://myfwc.com/marine/lines.htm

Tat2demon · 06/25/2006, 05:01 AM

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It is unlawful to harvest, possess, land, purchase, sell, or exchange the following species: ..... Whale Shark .....

Well there goes the plans for my 125.

06/24/2006, 04:28 PM	#1
DaveG99 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Forney Texas Posts: 1,597	Just got back from collecting. Need ID please... I was collecting some fish today in south florida and I caught a hi-hat, a unknown tang, a couple damsels, and a couple coral banded shrimp. Can someone please ID this tang and the damsels. The pic isnt great but it has blue on the bottom and the back fin is greenish. The body is kind of greyish. Are these tangs worth anything? I can catch hundreds of them if I wanted to.

06/24/2006, 05:13 PM	#4
Tat2demon Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 833	Getting animals is legal, collecting rock is not. __________________ Nate cham - "Taste it, if it tastes like poop.....it is." Current Tank Info: 400 gallon in progress. 8x3x2.5

06/24/2006, 05:49 PM	#6
reefinmike Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 846	atlantic blue tang? __________________ 90g reef lit by 2 kessil 360's and 4 T5's. 55g sump/fuge, eshopps s-200 skimmer and slowly working on getting every apex gadget

06/24/2006, 06:30 PM	#8
wetWolger Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,955	booo to collectiong __________________ cheers, jent d-_-b Current Tank Info: 66gal = 32x24x20

06/24/2006, 06:36 PM	#10
scrmbld33 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: south jersey 08050 Posts: 2,394	iwish i could collect things __________________ a left over shrimp shedding is not "a sicilian message meaning luca brasi sleeps with the fishes" fish are friends, not food Current Tank Info: 90gal salt, 2 250mh 14k hamiltons 2 110 actinic, 127lbs LR,50lbs tonga 70lbs indonesia 7lbs tonga branch asm g3

06/24/2006, 04:51 PM	#2
JmLee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hohensfels, Germany Posts: 1,545	so collecting marine wild life off the coast of florida isnt illegal?. I ask because i see people do it often and it just puzzles me.

06/24/2006, 04:53 PM	#3
DaveG99 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Forney Texas Posts: 1,597	nope. Why would fishing be illegal? Its just like throwing a pole out there and catching fish to eat off a pier or getty. A $15 license is all you need.

06/24/2006, 05:30 PM	#5
DaveG99 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Forney Texas Posts: 1,597	I have been researching and the only three tangs that are known to live in florida waters are the blue tang, ocean surgeon fish, and the doctor fish. I think what I caught may be a juvinile doctor fish. Here is it full grown...

06/24/2006, 05:49 PM	#7
Odin1 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 63	You got a Coco Damsel and a doctor fish

06/24/2006, 06:38 PM	#11
jmicky41 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 891	I think the damsel is often referred to as a Beau Gregory. __________________ The bake sale to raise money for the carwash has been cancelled - due to confusion. Current Tank Info: 125 fowlr: 280watts VHO, 75LBS of mixed rock, Deltec AP600 skimmer, wet dry, GRi 518 return pump, 15 watt Aqua UV,(2) tunze 6000 on a 7095, goldflake angel(RIP), flame angel(8 years old), mitratus butterfly, yellow tang, majestic rabbitfsih

06/24/2006, 07:11 PM	#12
CaptiveReef LED FULL SPECTRUM REEFER Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,148	At least they are hand caught............ This is a touchy subject, but at least these fish are hand caught, and cyanide is not being used. I have to admit I would be catching everything under the sun to put in my own tank, if I lived in Florida. Nice fish!!!!! CaptiveReef __________________ Okay I'm a Reef Fanatic !!!!! Current Tank Info: 120 Reef, DIY 5ft. protein skimmer, LED lighting.

06/24/2006, 07:15 PM	#13
appellativo Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 633	ya im jealous too __________________ If the first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem...then I will stay in denial ;)

06/24/2006, 07:17 PM	#14
Freed It's what it's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 41° 2' 45" N 85° 8' 43" W Posts: 7,579	There are plenty of fish you can collect legally. There is a full list of legally allowed fish to catch on the Florida state fish and game collector's listing. Don't know the link to it but I have seen it a few times here and there on RC. Someone has a link to it in a thread somewhere. __________________ Freed Current Tank Info: 180gal(1120 watts of MH/VHO light), 60gal "sump", Deltec 601 calcium reactor, Euro Reef CS8-3+ skimmer, 20 gallon QT

06/24/2006, 07:19 PM	#15
Speckled Grouper Sticks Suck! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Davie & Big Pine Key, FL Posts: 2,655	Beau Gregory damsel for sure, I have caught many in the Keys, they get very, very aggressive. Going down to the Keys next weekend, can't wait....I'll be looking for zoas, feather dusters, coco worms, lettuce nudis, etc.... __________________ The cure for anything is salt water.....sweat, tears, or the sea. Isak Dinesen Current Tank Info: 265g

06/24/2006, 07:34 PM	#17
scrmbld33 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: south jersey 08050 Posts: 2,394	i still wish i could collect things, id have a tank just for local caught stuff, lucky __________________ a left over shrimp shedding is not "a sicilian message meaning luca brasi sleeps with the fishes" fish are friends, not food Current Tank Info: 90gal salt, 2 250mh 14k hamiltons 2 110 actinic, 127lbs LR,50lbs tonga 70lbs indonesia 7lbs tonga branch asm g3

06/24/2006, 08:13 PM	#18
JmLee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hohensfels, Germany Posts: 1,545	well i wasnt flaming any one. i was simply curious. I wish i could collect nice specimens like that by hand.

06/24/2006, 08:25 PM	#19
appellativo Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 633	jent46, while there is no need for self righteousness (not that you necessarily were being...) you should be proud that you have chosen to only take certain things which were not harvested directly. I have often felt guilty for fueling the market that rips living things off the reef where they are better left alone. (A moment of silence for my knowing and willing participation in a hobby that results in the countless deaths of living animals at the hands of both well meaning and careless aquarists.) On the other hand, I just am not willing to give up my little window into a world I might never otherwise have gotten to experience. And all who come into contact with my reef get to see and learn about some of the animals that live in the sea (trust me, much to the chagrin of visitors, I go endlessly and tirelessly on and on about all the factoids I know of each creature), hopefully inspiring them to learn even more and even lead them to help protect our oceans. __________________ If the first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem...then I will stay in denial ;)

06/24/2006, 08:38 PM	#20
Amphiprion Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 6,611	You have Stegastes leucosticta, Acanthurus bahianus (A. chirurgus has defined to faint vertical bars), and a juvenile Pareques acuminatus. __________________ You've done it now, haven't you? Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO

06/24/2006, 10:16 PM	#21
compulou Moved On Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 951	Hey Dave, if you don't mind me asking. Where is it that you collect these creatures and using what method? Net, tube gun thing? Thanks

06/24/2006, 10:53 PM	#23
DaveG99 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Forney Texas Posts: 1,597	I was at a reef off of west palm beach. I used a plastic Jar for the tang and one of the damsels. Then I ran into a guy with a slurp gun that was out there. He let me use it and it was very easy! I could have brought back 50 fish if I wanted to but I only brought back 5.

06/24/2006, 10:58 PM	#24
ERICinFL Rejisturd Mimbur Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brevard County, FL Posts: 1,346	Here is a small list of what you can take from Florida waters. This is right off the FWC website. I also included a link to the site so you can download the basic saltwater fishing regulations. ORNAMENTAL TROPICAL FISH AND PLANTS MINIMUM SIZE LIMIT: (Total length) Spanish Hogfish 2â€ Spotfin Hogfish 3â€ Porkfish 11/2â€ MAXIMUM SIZE LIMIT: (Total length) Angelfish (except Rock Beauty) 8â€ Butterflyfish, Jawfish 4â€ Rock Beauty 5â€ Gobies 2â€ Spanish Hogfish 8â€ Spotfin Hogfish 8â€ BAG LIMIT: Fishes / Invertebrates: 20 per person per day. No more than 5 Angelfish and no more than 6 Octocoral colonies PLANTS: 1 gallon per person per day Live landing and live well requirements. Harvest in Biscayne National Park & John Pennekamp State Park prohibited. PROTECTED SPECIES It is unlawful to harvest, possess, land, purchase, sell, or exchange the following species: Nassau Grouper, Goliath Grouper (Jewfish), Sawfish, Basking Shark, Whale Shark, Spotted Eagle Ray, Sturgeon, White Shark, Sand Tiger Shark, Bigeye Sand Tiger Shark, Manta Ray, Spiny Dogfish, Longspine Urchin, Stony, Hard and Fire Corals, Sea Fans, Florida Queen Conch and Bahama Starfish. Harvest of live rock in state waters is prohibited. Here's the link: http://myfwc.com/marine/lines.htm __________________ Ummmm... yeah... don't touch the Mag Float. Sorry kids, your college fund is gone, but the tank looks SWEET right? Current Tank Info: 150gal mixed reef. ER CS135, 65gal sump/fuge with a Mag12 return. (2) Korillia 4s, (1) modded MJ1200, two SunSun 3200gph powerheads. 250+lbs LR.