what fish?

ifoundnemo · 08/05/2006, 12:12 PM

i think i am ready for fish in the tank...(ok i know i said this two weeks ago but now i am ready)

i am thinking about a clown, a trigger, a buterfly, a tang (prob yellow), a puffer, and a cow fish

can i even put all of these fish in the same tank...

and whats the best order to add them.

Andrew · 08/05/2006, 12:18 PM

What type of trigger, puffer, and butterfly do you plan on keeping? Also, the cowfish will get pretty big and outgrow a 90.

ifoundnemo · 08/05/2006, 12:28 PM

the butterfly i was thinking the copper banded.

as for the others i dont know i am still reserching...

the other question i had is if i get a clown is it better to get a anome (spelling) if so how hard are they to keep?

i have 2 damsels that i want to take out put i can catch them...whats the best way to get them?

Andrew · 08/05/2006, 12:38 PM

If you want the butterfly, then you're going to have to wait around a year before you can add him and you've gotta have some good filteration. For the anemone, you'll also have to wait alteast 6 months before adding and your need some good lighting. ( mh, T-5, VHO ) depending on what type of anemone. The damels are going to be a pain to get out but sometimes a fish trap will work.

andrew.flavell · 08/05/2006, 02:06 PM

Beware the maroon clown put mine in first added the BTA and now hes having a go at any new fish I put in.Didnt research enough will know next time. gets on fine with the yellow tang if you can prise him away from his beloved BTA.Look great together though.

Sk8r · 08/05/2006, 04:55 PM

The fish you list, except the clown, are not easy to keep. Each should be quarantined for at least two weeks of observation [treatment only if disease shows up] in a separate small, bare tank before introduction into the main display. All are ich-prone, compared to other fish. The clowns additionally are prone to Clown Disease, or Brooklynosis---google those so you know what you're looking at. The clowns are terrifically territorial, and will stake out an area and defend it aggressively. Tangs have an exceedingly high oxygen requirement---be sure your tank is hyped high on oxygen from good downflow, return pump, and skimmer. The butterfly fish are delicate eaters and will starve themselves if not happy with the food provided. Puffers are not strong swimmers, and can get into trouble with the amount of flow that makes tangs happy, so shield your powerhead intakes, if any. The other fish I can't speak for, except that I doubt the cowfish is a strong swimmer either. The ich comment holds throughout the list: you must quarantine and observe. The likelihood is probably as high as 95% that somewhere in that fish list you will get an ich outbreak, and will need to extend the quarantine for treatment either with hyposalinity or copper, which must not be used in your main tank: it is lethal to all life but fish.

I hate to be a bearer of negatives here, but I'd rather warn you up front to go slow than have you having to come back here for help after everything has ich and your display tank has to lie fallow 6 weeks to get it out of there. You've chosen the hardest common fish you could pick.

The obvious starting point is the clowns, but no anemone yet. Anemones are a real handful to get settled and keep alive: do a lot of reading before you put an anemone into the tank---they have a habit of coming loose, floating about stinging everything and then getting sucked into a filter, poisoning the whole tank as they demise. You can have a better first experience than that: just, again, go slow, and get some information on what type of anemone your particular breed of clown favors and whether any of your other proposed tank inhabitants will eat or pick at it.

picnic · 08/06/2006, 01:41 AM

Well I dont know about yours guys past experiences with anenomes but I've never had a prob keeping them.I didnt even wait that long either(not saying you should do the same)and no ill effects,and I have 4(2 BTA,sebae,condy).I turn off my flow let them plant or move the flow in a different direction till they plant.Iv've had them 6 months.

markandkristen · 08/06/2006, 05:25 AM

i agree on the quarantine. as far as a good fish list i like it. they will outgrow your tank. but you have probably 2-3 years b4 that happens.
the trigger is prob. one of the hardiest species as well is the yellow tang.
the butter fly and tang might fight though . mine copperbanded butterfly and yellow tang did.

im not a big maroon clown fan .. mainly because they are so territorial. and the older they get the uglier they get.( sorry just my opinion)
i think the sebae or perc. clown. looks better with age. oh well....

the cow fish i have never kept so i cant answer that. but i would start with that fish first ...
and then puffer. then maybe the butterfly fish and then the clown fish. then the tang then trigger.

a good choice might be the humu humu on the trigger they are one of the slowest growers.

unless you have tons of live rock ... i wouldnt add them all at once.

08/05/2006, 12:12 PM	#1
ifoundnemo Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 214	what fish? i think i am ready for fish in the tank...(ok i know i said this two weeks ago but now i am ready) i am thinking about a clown, a trigger, a buterfly, a tang (prob yellow), a puffer, and a cow fish can i even put all of these fish in the same tank... and whats the best order to add them. __________________ A good diver is allways learning. DTMAG.com Current Tank Info: 90 gal tank, aprox 100 lbs LR

08/05/2006, 12:28 PM	#3
ifoundnemo Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 214	the butterfly i was thinking the copper banded. as for the others i dont know i am still reserching... the other question i had is if i get a clown is it better to get a anome (spelling) if so how hard are they to keep? i have 2 damsels that i want to take out put i can catch them...whats the best way to get them? __________________ A good diver is allways learning. DTMAG.com Current Tank Info: 90 gal tank, aprox 100 lbs LR

08/05/2006, 04:55 PM	#6
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	The fish you list, except the clown, are not easy to keep. Each should be quarantined for at least two weeks of observation [treatment only if disease shows up] in a separate small, bare tank before introduction into the main display. All are ich-prone, compared to other fish. The clowns additionally are prone to Clown Disease, or Brooklynosis---google those so you know what you're looking at. The clowns are terrifically territorial, and will stake out an area and defend it aggressively. Tangs have an exceedingly high oxygen requirement---be sure your tank is hyped high on oxygen from good downflow, return pump, and skimmer. The butterfly fish are delicate eaters and will starve themselves if not happy with the food provided. Puffers are not strong swimmers, and can get into trouble with the amount of flow that makes tangs happy, so shield your powerhead intakes, if any. The other fish I can't speak for, except that I doubt the cowfish is a strong swimmer either. The ich comment holds throughout the list: you must quarantine and observe. The likelihood is probably as high as 95% that somewhere in that fish list you will get an ich outbreak, and will need to extend the quarantine for treatment either with hyposalinity or copper, which must not be used in your main tank: it is lethal to all life but fish. I hate to be a bearer of negatives here, but I'd rather warn you up front to go slow than have you having to come back here for help after everything has ich and your display tank has to lie fallow 6 weeks to get it out of there. You've chosen the hardest common fish you could pick. The obvious starting point is the clowns, but no anemone yet. Anemones are a real handful to get settled and keep alive: do a lot of reading before you put an anemone into the tank---they have a habit of coming loose, floating about stinging everything and then getting sucked into a filter, poisoning the whole tank as they demise. You can have a better first experience than that: just, again, go slow, and get some information on what type of anemone your particular breed of clown favors and whether any of your other proposed tank inhabitants will eat or pick at it. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/06/2006, 01:41 AM	#7
picnic Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Surrey,B.C.,Canada Posts: 119	Well I dont know about yours guys past experiences with anenomes but I've never had a prob keeping them.I didnt even wait that long either(not saying you should do the same)and no ill effects,and I have 4(2 BTA,sebae,condy).I turn off my flow let them plant or move the flow in a different direction till they plant.Iv've had them 6 months. __________________ I hate fish that do the Houdini on ya!!! Current Tank Info: 33gal salt,29gal fresh,10 salt

08/05/2006, 12:18 PM	#2
Andrew Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 13,640	What type of trigger, puffer, and butterfly do you plan on keeping? Also, the cowfish will get pretty big and outgrow a 90.

08/05/2006, 12:38 PM	#4
Andrew Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 13,640	If you want the butterfly, then you're going to have to wait around a year before you can add him and you've gotta have some good filteration. For the anemone, you'll also have to wait alteast 6 months before adding and your need some good lighting. ( mh, T-5, VHO ) depending on what type of anemone. The damels are going to be a pain to get out but sometimes a fish trap will work.

08/05/2006, 02:06 PM	#5
andrew.flavell Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: uk yorkshire Posts: 102	Beware the maroon clown put mine in first added the BTA and now hes having a go at any new fish I put in.Didnt research enough will know next time. gets on fine with the yellow tang if you can prise him away from his beloved BTA.Look great together though.

08/06/2006, 05:25 AM	#8
markandkristen Moved On Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Winterhaven, fl Posts: 4,081	i agree on the quarantine. as far as a good fish list i like it. they will outgrow your tank. but you have probably 2-3 years b4 that happens. the trigger is prob. one of the hardiest species as well is the yellow tang. the butter fly and tang might fight though . mine copperbanded butterfly and yellow tang did. im not a big maroon clown fan .. mainly because they are so territorial. and the older they get the uglier they get.( sorry just my opinion) i think the sebae or perc. clown. looks better with age. oh well.... the cow fish i have never kept so i cant answer that. but i would start with that fish first ... and then puffer. then maybe the butterfly fish and then the clown fish. then the tang then trigger. a good choice might be the humu humu on the trigger they are one of the slowest growers. unless you have tons of live rock ... i wouldnt add them all at once.