Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted???

Roland Jacques · 10/07/2006, 06:03 PM

I know a few things about these skimmers. Im just in search of more info. I know they have to have a down side but i have not found it yet.

I wont have mine until the next shipment gets here at the end of this month. Im tiered of waiting.

So show me your photos, ppersonal reviews, links to threads, closed or open ,and what ever else you have on these skimmers. I'll share what i have.

I have noticed that most of the threads in other culbs on this skimmer have been closed. So please lets keep the conments good or bad, constuctive & Please, no personal attacks.

You dont have to have one to have a opinion.

Roland Jacques · 10/07/2006, 06:06 PM

ATI posted info

http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf
http://www.atiaquaristik.com/index....97331643ac1fb4c

link to a threads
http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6552

Roland Jacques · 10/07/2006, 06:16 PM

Does any one no what is the dia neck on the BM 250? It looks like 7" or so.

The ones coming to the US will have 2 pumps but not Ehiem's anymore

EYESEEU · 10/07/2006, 08:42 PM

Well if mine gets here before yours Ill post pics

wolfpack · 10/07/2006, 08:46 PM

How much?? Any specs? Height? Foot print?? Etc..?

mg426 · 10/07/2006, 08:53 PM

Count me among the interested.

law086 · 10/07/2006, 09:59 PM

Here's a link I recently found with some pictures.

Ron

Andrew · 10/07/2006, 10:03 PM

Might have to get one of these....

Roland Jacques · 10/08/2006, 07:08 AM

2 more
The first thread is a review on the smaller 200
http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/inde...ic=51002&st=15

http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/inde...ic=51766&st=30

Roland Jacques · 10/08/2006, 07:32 AM

The thing that really amazes me, just buy looking at the design is, the neck on the BM 250 looks like 6-7" dia and 9-10" tall neck. The water output drain looks about 12" from the top of the neck. The amount of foam that thing has to produce to get the waste into that cup is preety amazing to me.

They say it pulls 2000LPH, but 2200 is the lowest that ive seen posted when testing it. The video with the new 2 pump version is showing it pulling 2500 lph plus. Thats 90 SCFH.

I no their is some guys with this skimmer out their, is the neck that big or what?

EYESEEU · 10/08/2006, 08:56 AM

I think those that are out there are beta mdls hard to tell what the changes are going to be from beta or of the overseas mdls when they arrive (1) 2 pumps instead of 1 , (2) No air meter as they were rusting. Im going to try and find out when mine will be you can bet Im going to post pics of it.

EYESEEU · 10/08/2006, 08:58 AM

Im also figuring the size to be roughly 9x15 foot print with a height clearance around 21 5/8 but the were converted from the euro mdls

wolfpack · 10/08/2006, 10:06 AM

So what pump is it going to be shipped to the US with?

UCanDoIt · 10/08/2006, 10:21 AM

Where did you order your unit from? Also, in looking at the collection cup joint to the neck, it looks like similar to Lifereef with the O-ring to secure in place. If so, the only drawback would not only be the 2" clearance to remove, but spilling the skimmate when removing and if the O-ring becomes a little dry. I just heard someone cussing when that happened and imagine the stink.

If anyone has a closeup of the connection that would be great... otherwise, looks like a winner.

Creetin · 10/08/2006, 10:27 AM

sicci pumps, I believe tunze uses them for their recirculation pumps.

http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf

Creetin · 10/08/2006, 10:35 AM

I believe it just slips on the neck and rests on an oring.
Heres a reply i had gotten with oliver pritzel on the BM skimmers.

In fact the Bubble Master stands for a new generation of skimmers.

We made comparisons between a needlewheel and a threadwheel and we find out that the threadwheel was 20-30% better than a needlewheel with the same geometrie (diameter and high). But it is very important to have the right material.

So, for us it is clear, that a needlewheel can not have the same performance like our new threadwheel. But this is only one reason, why it was possible to reach an air intake of 2000 l/h with only one "normal" (Eheim 1260) payable pump.

Now we have our new pumps in 230 and 110 Volt with better results.

But I should stop now. You will find out everything yourselve. We will send the next shippment as soon as possible to Reef Geek. If everything goes on as planed, we should be able to sent the next shippment in one week

Maximus · 10/08/2006, 10:58 AM

I wonder if they will custom make these for people with short stands?

Roland Jacques · 10/08/2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximus
I wonder if they will custom make these for people with short stands?

How short is your stand, these are like 21" tall.

tentacles · 10/08/2006, 03:15 PM

does anyone know what size tank the 2 pump model is rated for, or an approximate price they will be sold for?

Roland Jacques · 10/08/2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tentacles
does anyone know what size tank the 2 pump model is rated for, or an approximate price they will be sold for?

Quote:

Originally posted by slovan
ATI Bubble Master 150 Protein Skimmer ~ $359 (Up to 100 Gallons)
ATI Bubble Master 200 Protein Skimmer ~ $459 (Up to 250 Gallons)
ATI Bubble Master 250 Protein Skimmer ~ $699 (Up to 500 Gallons)

ATI rates them higher than that. they have the bm 250 at 3000 litters = 780 gallons

go thier web site
http://www.atiaquaristik.com/index.php?id=91,0,0,1,0,0

tentacles · 10/08/2006, 04:00 PM

Roland thanks for the info. I've been considering making a diy snapper skimmer using the material these skimmers use instead of a needle wheel, but considering my skill level, it may be worth it to buy the 250

I'm looking to skim about 650g, so if one works well I may double up! Even 2 of these should use ~ the same or less watts than a snapper with an air pump.

smjtkj · 10/08/2006, 06:37 PM

The snapper and the dart use exactly the same pump volute and ao smith motor. The only difference is the impeller. That is what changes the gph and the wattage. I am building a skimmer right now using the dart/snapper pump with DLS material. I put it on a bucket and the foam is incredible with very little turbulence even in a 5 gallon bucket. The bubble master threadwheel is so simple to make it is almost silly!

Maximus · 10/08/2006, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roland Jacques
How short is your stand, these are like 21" tall.

Ahh, great to know. My stand has an inside height of 23". Are all 3 skimmers the same height? Will 23" be sufficient enough to remove the cup? Also, is there a stand pipe? How do you control the water level inside the skimmer if you wanted to wet skim or dry skim? Thanks Roland.

Creetin · 10/08/2006, 06:56 PM

There is a stand pipe, But it is stationary and doesnt move.
Theres a dial on the output of the skimmer i read that raises and lowers the water in the skimmer.
Its 21 and a half inches high, and i believe you need 2 inches to remove the cup. If you have 23 it may be just a tad too big.
I ordered mine last monday, I'll know when it gets here.
Hopefully next week!!!

Maximus · 10/08/2006, 06:58 PM

Thanks Creetin. I just went to their site and it states you need 55cm for clearance, which is 21.6". This is perfect! I'm talking about the BM 250 btw. Are they in stock at Reefgeek yet?

10/07/2006, 06:03 PM	#1
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted??? I know a few things about these skimmers. Im just in search of more info. I know they have to have a down side but i have not found it yet. I wont have mine until the next shipment gets here at the end of this month. Im tiered of waiting. So show me your photos, ppersonal reviews, links to threads, closed or open ,and what ever else you have on these skimmers. I'll share what i have. I have noticed that most of the threads in other culbs on this skimmer have been closed. So please lets keep the conments good or bad, constuctive & Please, no personal attacks. You dont have to have one to have a opinion. __________________ Roland Last edited by Roland Jacques; 10/07/2006 at 06:20 PM.

10/07/2006, 06:06 PM	#2
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	ATI posted info http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf http://www.atiaquaristik.com/index....97331643ac1fb4c link to a threads http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6552 __________________ Roland

10/07/2006, 06:16 PM	#3
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	Does any one no what is the dia neck on the BM 250? It looks like 7" or so. The ones coming to the US will have 2 pumps but not Ehiem's anymore __________________ Roland

10/07/2006, 08:53 PM	#6
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10/07/2006, 09:59 PM	#7
law086 Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 1,306	Here's a link I recently found with some pictures. Ron __________________ "We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year." Current Tank Info: 180 RR ~ 150g sump ~ 100g fuge ~ 30g frag tank ~ Bermuda Aquatics 8C on Mag18~ GenX 55 return ~ 3 SureFlow MaxiMods, Tunze 6000 ~ 40w Gamma UV ~ 175w x 3 MH ~ 160w x 2 VHO

10/07/2006, 08:42 PM	#4
EYESEEU Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 306	Well if mine gets here before yours Ill post pics

10/07/2006, 08:46 PM	#5
wolfpack Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 181	How much?? Any specs? Height? Foot print?? Etc..?

10/07/2006, 10:03 PM	#8
Andrew Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 13,640	Might have to get one of these....

10/08/2006, 07:08 AM	#9
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	2 more The first thread is a review on the smaller 200 http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/inde...ic=51002&st=15 http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/inde...ic=51766&st=30 __________________ Roland Last edited by Roland Jacques; 10/08/2006 at 08:04 AM.

10/08/2006, 07:32 AM	#10
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	The thing that really amazes me, just buy looking at the design is, the neck on the BM 250 looks like 6-7" dia and 9-10" tall neck. The water output drain looks about 12" from the top of the neck. The amount of foam that thing has to produce to get the waste into that cup is preety amazing to me. They say it pulls 2000LPH, but 2200 is the lowest that ive seen posted when testing it. The video with the new 2 pump version is showing it pulling 2500 lph plus. Thats 90 SCFH. I no their is some guys with this skimmer out their, is the neck that big or what? __________________ Roland Last edited by Roland Jacques; 10/08/2006 at 08:21 AM.

10/08/2006, 08:56 AM	#11
EYESEEU Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 306	I think those that are out there are beta mdls hard to tell what the changes are going to be from beta or of the overseas mdls when they arrive (1) 2 pumps instead of 1 , (2) No air meter as they were rusting. Im going to try and find out when mine will be you can bet Im going to post pics of it.

10/08/2006, 08:58 AM	#12
EYESEEU Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 306	Im also figuring the size to be roughly 9x15 foot print with a height clearance around 21 5/8 but the were converted from the euro mdls

10/08/2006, 10:06 AM	#13
wolfpack Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 181	So what pump is it going to be shipped to the US with?

10/08/2006, 10:21 AM	#14
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	Where did you order your unit from? Also, in looking at the collection cup joint to the neck, it looks like similar to Lifereef with the O-ring to secure in place. If so, the only drawback would not only be the 2" clearance to remove, but spilling the skimmate when removing and if the O-ring becomes a little dry. I just heard someone cussing when that happened and imagine the stink. If anyone has a closeup of the connection that would be great... otherwise, looks like a winner.

10/08/2006, 10:27 AM	#15
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	sicci pumps, I believe tunze uses them for their recirculation pumps. http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/08/2006, 10:35 AM	#16
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	I believe it just slips on the neck and rests on an oring. Heres a reply i had gotten with oliver pritzel on the BM skimmers. In fact the Bubble Master stands for a new generation of skimmers. We made comparisons between a needlewheel and a threadwheel and we find out that the threadwheel was 20-30% better than a needlewheel with the same geometrie (diameter and high). But it is very important to have the right material. So, for us it is clear, that a needlewheel can not have the same performance like our new threadwheel. But this is only one reason, why it was possible to reach an air intake of 2000 l/h with only one "normal" (Eheim 1260) payable pump. Now we have our new pumps in 230 and 110 Volt with better results. But I should stop now. You will find out everything yourselve. We will send the next shippment as soon as possible to Reef Geek. If everything goes on as planed, we should be able to sent the next shippment in one week __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep Last edited by Creetin; 10/08/2006 at 10:46 AM.

10/08/2006, 10:58 AM	#17
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	I wonder if they will custom make these for people with short stands? __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/08/2006, 03:15 PM	#19
tentacles Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Palatine, Il Posts: 128	does anyone know what size tank the 2 pump model is rated for, or an approximate price they will be sold for? __________________ hey, what smells like blue? Current Tank Info: 380g

10/08/2006, 04:00 PM	#21
tentacles Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Palatine, Il Posts: 128	Roland thanks for the info. I've been considering making a diy snapper skimmer using the material these skimmers use instead of a needle wheel, but considering my skill level, it may be worth it to buy the 250 I'm looking to skim about 650g, so if one works well I may double up! Even 2 of these should use ~ the same or less watts than a snapper with an air pump. __________________ hey, what smells like blue? Current Tank Info: 380g

10/08/2006, 06:37 PM	#22
smjtkj Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 862	The snapper and the dart use exactly the same pump volute and ao smith motor. The only difference is the impeller. That is what changes the gph and the wattage. I am building a skimmer right now using the dart/snapper pump with DLS material. I put it on a bucket and the foam is incredible with very little turbulence even in a 5 gallon bucket. The bubble master threadwheel is so simple to make it is almost silly!

10/08/2006, 06:56 PM	#24
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	There is a stand pipe, But it is stationary and doesnt move. Theres a dial on the output of the skimmer i read that raises and lowers the water in the skimmer. Its 21 and a half inches high, and i believe you need 2 inches to remove the cup. If you have 23 it may be just a tad too big. I ordered mine last monday, I'll know when it gets here. Hopefully next week!!! __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/08/2006, 06:58 PM	#25
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Thanks Creetin. I just went to their site and it states you need 55cm for clearance, which is 21.6". This is perfect! I'm talking about the BM 250 btw. Are they in stock at Reefgeek yet? __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.