HS Skimmers Worth the $$$$

ncsaltwater · 10/26/2006, 05:24 PM

Are H&S skimmers really worth the money?

Hammercoral · 10/26/2006, 06:38 PM

They are very nice.

angelopasto · 10/26/2006, 07:04 PM

i looked at the H&S and ER - both are very nice and worth every penny. I went with the ER.

sjm817 · 10/26/2006, 07:10 PM

It depends on which model and what your requirements are.

redtail78 · 10/26/2006, 08:12 PM

I am also looking at one of these. The A110-F2000, local shop has it for $459, which is what im finding it for at online vendors. I have not spoke to anyone that has one though.

McCrary · 10/26/2006, 08:13 PM

H&S are worth the money. When it comes down to it sometimes you just have to bite the bullet. I have never heard anyone say they regret spending the money on an H&S.

redtail78 · 10/26/2006, 08:14 PM

Also, NCSaltwater, im in Shelby NC, not far from Charlotte, any vendors in that area? How are the prices?

sjm817 · 10/26/2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by redtail78
I am also looking at one of these. The A110-F2000, local shop has it for $459, which is what im finding it for at online vendors. I have not spoke to anyone that has one though.

This is a good example. For $440, you could get a Euro-Reef RS180. For $485, you could get an RS250. Both of these would outskimm the A110-F2000 by a mile. They are not even in the same class.

Then we get to the requirements part. Can you fit the ER RS skimmer? Do you require an external skimmer, or is in sump ok? Does it need to be quiet?

redtail78 · 10/26/2006, 09:20 PM

Are these RS models by EuroReef External? This is the direction I was leaning towards. Also who is a good vendor of these? I saw on MarineDepot's site that the biggest one listed is the 135. Also what would be your thoughts on using a RC 80 which is recirculating, on a 75 gallon? MD has them for $498

invincible569 · 10/27/2006, 04:44 AM

The EuroReef Models are cheaper which is what makes or breaks the deal with H&S. Both are great units.

sjm817 · 10/27/2006, 06:23 AM

The RS are internal, RC are external. Premium Aquatics carries the full ER line.

Roland Jacques · 10/27/2006, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by ncsaltwater
Are H&S skimmers really worth the money?

Compared to what?

invincible569 · 10/27/2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by sjm817
The RS are internal, RC are external. Premium Aquatics carries the full ER line.

even then.. when you compare external to external.. the ER's come out cheaper. If you want external, the CS is the line for ER. I was looking at them.

sid700 · 10/27/2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by ncsaltwater
Are H&S skimmers really worth the money?

Read the last 6 paragraphs of this article.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-02/ac/index.php

Fliger · 10/27/2006, 08:25 AM

You won't be upset if you spend the money, that's for sure. But ER is finally putting some decently matched skimmers together to compete with H&S/Deltec, I personally wouldn't buy one yet, I've experienced too many problems with ER. I'd also take an external over an internal anyday.

Careful of anyone who emphatically claims one skimmer would outskim another "by a mile" who's never used either ....

fingersdlp · 10/27/2006, 08:40 AM

I have an H&S Skimmer on my reef and love it. I have an ASM skimmer on my fish only and love it. The H&S cost like 3 times the ASM and no way does it skim 3 times better. However I think the H&S might pull skimate out of water that the ASM can not due to its bubble size and composition. That is really due to the difference in pumps (Modified Eheim 1262 vs Sedra 9000) and needle/pin design. No proof of this, just my opinion.

I was forced into the H&S because it is the only external skimmer of large capacity that I could find at the time that would fit in my cabinet. I have been very happy with it but there are better bangs for the buck. I do love that Eheim pump.

I am just full of love today.

B.

bmco · 10/27/2006, 09:52 AM

H&S skimmers really worth the $$$.

I was planning to buy the Deltec 702 but due to my sump size and the demand of large skimmer capacity, I "discovered" H&S and must say it's an impressive skimmer.
I use the new 250-2x1260 and every $ I paid equals to skimate I get...

tacocat · 10/27/2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by sid700
Read the last 6 paragraphs of this article.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-02/ac/index.php

I don't care for that article's opinion on skimmers. It contains too many generalizations.

Are H&S skimmers worth it? I like mine. It has been the easiest skimmer to maintain. It is also very compact and very quiet. The new Euro-Reefs are indeed very promising.

Jim_S · 10/27/2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by tacocat
I don't care for that article's opinion on skimmers. It contains too many generalizations.

Are H&S skimmers worth it? I like mine. It has been the easiest skimmer to maintain. It is also very compact and very quiet. The new Euro-Reefs are indeed very promising.

I agree.

geckofrog · 10/27/2006, 10:23 AM

I looked at H&S and ER. I went with ER. (RC80)

H&S are very nice though

invincible569 · 10/27/2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Fliger
You won't be upset if you spend the money, that's for sure. But ER is finally putting some decently matched skimmers together to compete with H&S/Deltec, I personally wouldn't buy one yet, I've experienced too many problems with ER. I'd also take an external over an internal anyday.

Careful of anyone who emphatically claims one skimmer would outskim another "by a mile" who's never used either ....

I never had a problem with my ER of 5 yrs (Sedra pump). Always skimmed very well. What problems did you have?

bmco · 10/27/2006, 11:00 AM

H&S skimmers really worth the $$$.

CeeGee · 10/27/2006, 12:14 PM

I have a ASM G3 that has all the mods. That being said I will be upgrading to a H&S as soon as I can. The eheim pumps are unbeatable.

sjm817 · 10/27/2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by CeeGee
I have a ASM G3 that has all the mods. That being said I will be upgrading to a H&S as soon as I can. The eheim pumps are unbeatable.

You can get a Euro-Reef with an Eheim now. Also, the ER SP4 has similar performance to an Ehiem, the SP5 beats it.

CeeGee · 10/27/2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by sjm817
You can get a Euro-Reef with an Eheim now. Also, the ER SP4 has similar performance to an Ehiem, the SP5 beats it.

I could go with a unproven American made skimmer.javascript:smilie('

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I will take the PROVEN German version and pay a little more and be done with it.

10/26/2006, 05:24 PM	#1
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10/26/2006, 07:10 PM	#4
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McCrary Can't Stop Time Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,079	H&S are worth the money. When it comes down to it sometimes you just have to bite the bullet. I have never heard anyone say they regret spending the money on an H&S. __________________ Matt Patience is the best remedy for every trouble. Titus Maccius Plautus (254 BC - 184 BC), Rudens

10/27/2006, 06:23 AM	#11
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	The RS are internal, RC are external. Premium Aquatics carries the full ER line. __________________ - Scott

10/27/2006, 08:25 AM	#15
Fliger Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 8,642	You won't be upset if you spend the money, that's for sure. But ER is finally putting some decently matched skimmers together to compete with H&S/Deltec, I personally wouldn't buy one yet, I've experienced too many problems with ER. I'd also take an external over an internal anyday. Careful of anyone who emphatically claims one skimmer would outskim another "by a mile" who's never used either .... __________________ Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. Closed minds should come with closed mouths. When life hands you lemons, add vodka! Current Tank Info: Current: 210G Elos System, 2x400W + 6x54W Photon w/Aquaconnects, H&S skimmer, Deltec FR509/ROWAphos+Elos Carbon, 6101's and 6201's, Ocean GEOtronic 900 Chiller/Heater, Biotopus II Controller w/SMS. Elos System 70.

10/26/2006, 06:38 PM	#2
Hammercoral Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Elmhurst Posts: 220	They are very nice.

10/26/2006, 07:04 PM	#3
angelopasto Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 193	i looked at the H&S and ER - both are very nice and worth every penny. I went with the ER.

10/26/2006, 08:12 PM	#5
redtail78 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shelby NC Posts: 16	I am also looking at one of these. The A110-F2000, local shop has it for $459, which is what im finding it for at online vendors. I have not spoke to anyone that has one though.

10/26/2006, 08:14 PM	#7
redtail78 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shelby NC Posts: 16	Also, NCSaltwater, im in Shelby NC, not far from Charlotte, any vendors in that area? How are the prices?

10/26/2006, 09:20 PM	#9
redtail78 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shelby NC Posts: 16	Are these RS models by EuroReef External? This is the direction I was leaning towards. Also who is a good vendor of these? I saw on MarineDepot's site that the biggest one listed is the 135. Also what would be your thoughts on using a RC 80 which is recirculating, on a 75 gallon? MD has them for $498

10/27/2006, 04:44 AM	#10
invincible569 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,715	The EuroReef Models are cheaper which is what makes or breaks the deal with H&S. Both are great units.

10/27/2006, 08:40 AM	#16
fingersdlp Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 218	I have an H&S Skimmer on my reef and love it. I have an ASM skimmer on my fish only and love it. The H&S cost like 3 times the ASM and no way does it skim 3 times better. However I think the H&S might pull skimate out of water that the ASM can not due to its bubble size and composition. That is really due to the difference in pumps (Modified Eheim 1262 vs Sedra 9000) and needle/pin design. No proof of this, just my opinion. I was forced into the H&S because it is the only external skimmer of large capacity that I could find at the time that would fit in my cabinet. I have been very happy with it but there are better bangs for the buck. I do love that Eheim pump. I am just full of love today. B.

10/27/2006, 09:52 AM	#17
bmco Always deep under Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Il Posts: 128	H&S skimmers really worth the $$$. I was planning to buy the Deltec 702 but due to my sump size and the demand of large skimmer capacity, I "discovered" H&S and must say it's an impressive skimmer. I use the new 250-2x1260 and every $ I paid equals to skimate I get...

10/27/2006, 10:23 AM	#20
geckofrog Registered Member. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 505	I looked at H&S and ER. I went with ER. (RC80) H&S are very nice though __________________ Ryan Current Tank Info: 75G,

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10/27/2006, 12:14 PM	#23
CeeGee Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 3,272	I have a ASM G3 that has all the mods. That being said I will be upgrading to a H&S as soon as I can. The eheim pumps are unbeatable. __________________ My algae WAS special. Current Tank Info: 75 gallon display, 40 gallon breeder sump, RLSS R6i, ATI Powermodule, Apex, Ecotech MP40's