What does this tang have?

cyricdark · 03/12/2016, 08:55 PM

I've lost one orange shoulder tang, and now have 3 atlantic blues affected by this. They are in a copper quarantine with .3 ppm which I increased to .5 to curb this but doesn't seem to be affecting it so I don't think it's ich or velvet. In the end stages the fishes skin will actually slough off.

cyricdark · 03/12/2016, 09:00 PM

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cyricdark · 03/14/2016, 12:13 AM

Well no help here so far but after conferring with some other salties I think it's fin/tail rot although an exceptionally virulent strain. Going to be trying furan 2 see what happens.

microlady · 03/14/2016, 12:53 PM

Geez. I have no idea. Symptoms?

microlady · 03/14/2016, 12:55 PM

Copper is hard on tangs. If you see spots on the skin, excess slime, fish are scratching on rocks and breathing fast, maybe try formalin baths and TTM.

cyricdark · 03/14/2016, 08:00 PM

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Geez. I have no idea. Symptoms?

They look fine, then few hours later their coloring will be bleached and bruised looking, then fins look ragged, then skin starts falling off then they die. I'm pretty sure it's bacterial.

snorvich · 03/14/2016, 08:08 PM

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They look fine, then few hours later their coloring will be bleached and bruised looking, then fins look ragged, then skin starts falling off then they die. I'm pretty sure it's bacterial.

Sounds .like uronema or brook.

cyricdark · 03/14/2016, 08:15 PM

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Sounds .like uronema or brook.

I've dealt with brook before in clowns, it's not brook, don't know about uronema.

ThRoewer · 03/14/2016, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cyricdark

They look fine, then few hours later their coloring will be bleached and bruised looking, then fins look ragged, then skin starts falling off then they die. I'm pretty sure it's bacterial.

This description sounds precisely like brook, but I wouldn't exclude a bacterial infection either.
Uronema looks definitely different and usually doesn't affect the entire fish that quickly - it usually stars from wounds and radiates from there. The fish gets killed when uronema reaches the bloodstream by the poison it releases.

As for brook on clownfish and tangs - since the slime secretion is a reaction of the fish to the parasite (an attempt to slime them off) it will look different on different typs of fish.

The most uniform symptom of brook is heavy breathing, whitish skin patches and clamping of fins. At later stages the fins will fray and the skin may look like coming off due to the sliming.

What can look often very close to brook (and be often the kick-starter for it or bacterial infections) are ammonia burns.

Whatever it is, it looks quite similar to what my BSJ male died off: Very sick Jawfish

cyricdark · 03/14/2016, 11:23 PM

The only thing is it takes 3-5 days to kill, my clowns never lasted more than 1-2 days and they never do the rapid breathing hanging out at the top of the tank thing that they do with brook. But all my experience with brook has been in clowns maybe tangs it takes longer.

ThRoewer · 03/14/2016, 11:51 PM

I have seen clowns die of brook quite slowly. Some fought for almost a week. It all depends on the condition of the fish.
A freshly imported or shipped clown, possibly also with ammonia burns, has not much to hold against brook and may die within a day or two. A fit and healthy clown that has been well acclimated to tank life may take a week to die or might even beat it on its own. I've seen it all in my own tanks (back in Germany, when I didn't do formalin dips to stop it early) and at stores around here.

cyricdark · 03/15/2016, 01:50 AM

I've had bad luck with formalin quarantines, and the dips seem pretty stressful, have you ever tried paraguard by seachem? I think I'm gonna switch to that in my hospital/quarantine tanks.

cyricdark · 03/15/2016, 01:52 AM

Although I think my bad luck was not realizing formalin steals the oxygen from the water, i guess I should tapped off my freshwater airlines and through in a airstone, never think to use those in saltwater.

ThRoewer · 03/15/2016, 08:57 AM

The formalin dips are actually very low stress if done right - much less stress than a freshwater bath (that's usually where I have fish freak out).

cyricdark · 03/15/2016, 05:56 PM

I just switched over to try paraguard by seachem instead of formulin last night in my hospital tanks, the one tang that was still alive in there was looking bad last night, today he looks much better, keeping my fingers crossed.

cyricdark · 03/18/2016, 03:01 AM

Well whatever that was paraguard seems to have cured it in the one tang I had left from that order.

03/12/2016, 08:55 PM	#1
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	What does this tang have? I've lost one orange shoulder tang, and now have 3 atlantic blues affected by this. They are in a copper quarantine with .3 ppm which I increased to .5 to curb this but doesn't seem to be affecting it so I don't think it's ich or velvet. In the end stages the fishes skin will actually slough off.

03/14/2016, 11:51 PM	#11
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	I have seen clowns die of brook quite slowly. Some fought for almost a week. It all depends on the condition of the fish. A freshly imported or shipped clown, possibly also with ammonia burns, has not much to hold against brook and may die within a day or two. A fit and healthy clown that has been well acclimated to tank life may take a week to die or might even beat it on its own. I've seen it all in my own tanks (back in Germany, when I didn't do formalin dips to stop it early) and at stores around here. __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

03/15/2016, 08:57 AM	#14
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	The formalin dips are actually very low stress if done right - much less stress than a freshwater bath (that's usually where I have fish freak out). __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

03/12/2016, 09:00 PM	#2
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	IMG_20160312_121757.jpg

03/14/2016, 12:13 AM	#3
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	Well no help here so far but after conferring with some other salties I think it's fin/tail rot although an exceptionally virulent strain. Going to be trying furan 2 see what happens.

03/14/2016, 12:53 PM	#4
microlady Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 492	Geez. I have no idea. Symptoms?

03/14/2016, 12:55 PM	#5
microlady Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 492	Copper is hard on tangs. If you see spots on the skin, excess slime, fish are scratching on rocks and breathing fast, maybe try formalin baths and TTM.

03/14/2016, 11:23 PM	#10
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	The only thing is it takes 3-5 days to kill, my clowns never lasted more than 1-2 days and they never do the rapid breathing hanging out at the top of the tank thing that they do with brook. But all my experience with brook has been in clowns maybe tangs it takes longer.

03/15/2016, 01:50 AM	#12
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	I've had bad luck with formalin quarantines, and the dips seem pretty stressful, have you ever tried paraguard by seachem? I think I'm gonna switch to that in my hospital/quarantine tanks.

03/15/2016, 01:52 AM	#13
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	Although I think my bad luck was not realizing formalin steals the oxygen from the water, i guess I should tapped off my freshwater airlines and through in a airstone, never think to use those in saltwater.

03/15/2016, 05:56 PM	#15
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	I just switched over to try paraguard by seachem instead of formulin last night in my hospital tanks, the one tang that was still alive in there was looking bad last night, today he looks much better, keeping my fingers crossed.

03/18/2016, 03:01 AM	#16
cyricdark Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 108	Well whatever that was paraguard seems to have cured it in the one tang I had left from that order.